Survey update 2011.05.09

Here are the numbers as of 09:55MDT on 05/09/2011:

We send out over 150,000 emails, focusing on people who had spent time in world since we turned on that feature. We may have missed some old-timers who hadn’t been back for 2 years or so, but I’m not sure this would make them come back now. We’re still discussing it.

Monthly Revenue @ $10/month: $53,190
Monthly Revenue @ $15/month: $79,785

If we assume a 50% “fudge” factor, that’s $26,595 and $39,892, respectively.

I continue to be surprised at the comments here and on the survey from people who “Want There to be free just like it was before”. I have to say we just can’t do that. That model didn’t work. It failed. In fact, the Pay Model, which we had before, didn’t work either, but we’ve changed the cost structure significantly since then.

We’re probably close to wrapping up the survey and cleaning up the results.

I will add that the number we need to hit is somewhere in between the $26,595 and $53,190 numbers. So, if 1/2 the people won’t pay, and we’re at $10, then we have a problem. But, if all of them pay, or 1/2 of them pay at $15, then maybe not. Lots of moving parts here, but generally neutral to positive.

  1. #1 by xxlouloubellxx on 2011.08.09 - 2:05 am

    hi everyone and ty to staff, i have a question i got into there myself but my hubby cant get in are they letting more people in

  2. #2 by VeritasIncognito on 2011.06.10 - 2:17 pm

    I have My entire folders and many photos from There if any of that material may be helpful ?

  3. #3 by Drifa on 2011.05.18 - 1:29 pm

    Im sorry but im litteraly crying right now,just like the day There closed. I miss there.It was like my second life of reality! I miss all my clothes,friends,and ect.I imean every time i go on youtube, and see my friends, it makes me cry.So yea i hope There comes back i missed the dinging noise it made we you were getting a summon and that theme song when your downloading or updating! I miss my premium membership,my buggies, Portazones,hoverboards,hoods,hoverboats ect. So i hope Michael one day your reading this and see how much people realy miss there! Also, Good luck on the Money thing!

    Love, The biggest There fan ever!

  4. #4 by Annamarie33 on 2011.05.15 - 7:06 am

    I cant wait πŸ˜›

  5. #5 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 5:34 pm

    @biggiedude420 – are you so jobless?

  6. #6 by Unknown on 2011.05.12 - 10:27 am

    MW you have to becareful some smart under 18’s Hide their IP’s….You cant let them slip by…Unless you have a way where you can still ban them or get their IP..Hope so πŸ˜€

    • #7 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 5:56 pm

      LOL i bet your 12

  7. #8 by MoondustMadness on 2011.05.12 - 7:55 am

    Tap. .tap…tap..patiently waiting for some good news…tap…tap…tap.

    • #9 by NoBioN on 2011.05.12 - 8:33 am

      Tap. Tap. Tap. Can’t wait to see my best therefriend moondustmadness again. Inside again. Tap tap tap. πŸ˜€

  8. #10 by Rick on 2011.05.12 - 6:02 am

    i started on there in 07 when i was 15 so most of my friends are 18+ by now so i wont have problems reporting some 18-s

  9. #11 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.12 - 5:37 am

    Anonymity in virtual life is a funny thing as you discuss in your blog “Civility and Anonymity”.

    People misrepresenting themselves in age, gender etc can cause difficulty as I witnessed & experienced in THERE myself. Imagine making “best friends” with a female avatar, sharing feelings and friendship in that context, then a year later finding out that the avie is really a man. This happened to me and it was very disturbing and difficult for us both. We rebuilt our friendship and remain friends with our families to this day … I know his wife and kids yet it was terribly disturbing when he revealed it.

    You said: “Recently, I’ve been wondering what a virtual world would be like if: You couldn’t be anonymous. Somewhere, probably on your profile, you’d have to put your real name…….” but this was also crossed out and wondered why? Do/did you consider including your real age and/or gender? To me that’s more important to others than a name. But perhaps the name is more important to the individual’s sense of accountability.

    I agree that civility can be improved when people are NOT anonymous, and not able to hide behind a mask. (I do apologize for my incivility to THERE bashing in this blog).

  10. #12 by NoBioN on 2011.05.12 - 5:05 am

    We demand answers! (conclusion).

    Okay maybe not. I dont wanna end up in zephyr with the “wrong nametag” and no forcefield hehehe =).

  11. #13 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 4:29 am

    You wont find the under 18’s michael !!! they are smartt

    • #14 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.12 - 4:31 am

      I can tell already! (notes down your IP).

      • #15 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 4:32 am

        :p dont do something like that lol i am just behaving childlike

      • #16 by Joeydantonio on 2011.05.12 - 7:10 am


      • #17 by Biggiedude420 on 2011.05.12 - 1:33 pm

        Im making a list of -18’s now
        Michael Wilson Fan is deff top of it lol

      • #18 by Bumpin42 on 2011.05.19 - 9:15 am

        Busted lol

  12. #19 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 4:23 am

    All the “Henrys” being mentioned are being highlighted why

    • #20 by mimi06 on 2011.05.12 - 4:37 am

      if you meant me as a red head, nope.. just a nobody with gray hair , getting grayer, waiting.. question for MW, if there will be no support, will we be able to reset passwords? 😦 I can prove who I am any way you want me too.. thanks

  13. #21 by mimi06 on 2011.05.12 - 2:44 am

    Superstitious? tommorrow’s friday the 13th… just saying.. And Hi Thumdar, fancy meeting you here lol πŸ™‚ I have been in touch with Group_Iplanet!

    • #22 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 4:24 am

      r u the red haired female that runs around cosmo girl village

      • #23 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 4:31 am

        I meant the red haired avatar actually. πŸ˜€

  14. #24 by Tomixcomics on 2011.05.11 - 11:22 pm

    Oh, and, might I ask how iwll age be verified? Will it just be some “I accept” form, or would it require annoying super personal information like SL asks for age verification(passport, social security, I.D. etc. etc.) because those can be troublesome as heck. I’m from another country so half of that stuff involved data entered in another language that SL couldnt verify or it would just have trouble ccepting it for absolutely no apparant reason.

  15. #25 by asdifh on 2011.05.11 - 10:59 pm

    what the hell are you waiting for just open it!

  16. #26 by satarell on 2011.05.11 - 10:58 pm

    ok everyone seems so on edge here maybe this will help πŸ™‚

  17. #27 by ThereFan on 2011.05.11 - 6:38 pm

    By any chance do you think the under 18 users could have access to the 2d website? Im sure there will be some sort of forum moderation in place so would the under 18 users be able toview forums and keep in contact with the community that way since the 3d client is not an option at this time?

    • #28 by mmmm22222222 on 2011.05.12 - 2:44 am

      I agree and I thought maybe There IM could be for under 18’s as it doesnt have the same world and same kind of moderation needed, but then again, there goes costs for under 18’s on There IM :/

      And any news when the surveys finishing and all cleaned up?

    • #29 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.12 - 3:14 am

      Uh, no :-p

    • #30 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.12 - 4:20 am

      The under 18 will be there in game surely πŸ™‚

  18. #32 by Oh Go Away Already! on 2011.05.11 - 4:32 pm

    by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.11 – 4:39 am
    “OH! Thank you: Oh Go Away Already! I’d written a similar post but got erased”

    You’re welcome Marianne/JoyofLife. Though I think you should have erased another of your posts rather than sharing your bigoted attack on how you perceive hugsalot’s gender identity or sexual orientation.

    • #33 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.11 - 4:43 pm

      OK YOU TWO.

      If you don’t stop it, NO BLOG FOR A WEEK, NO, A MONTH, and *IF* THERE re-opens, you’ll be in a cage, in Zephyr, without a force field, and MY name tag. For a month.


      • #34 by Kendra on 2011.05.11 - 7:30 pm


      • #35 by SoledadNegativa on 2011.05.11 - 8:45 pm

        Hahahaha, I still remember the video the interview MW was pwned in Zephyr, ‘rtr MW.

        If I recall corectly, you dropped in actually wondering how long it would take for someone to slide you all the way to Thunder Ally raceway , ‘rofl, good times.

      • #36 by Michael Wilson Fan on 2011.05.11 - 8:52 pm

        You still think people will hate you? πŸ˜›

      • #37 by mmmm22222222 on 2011.05.12 - 2:43 am

        I think Hate is a bit of a strong word, they were just messing πŸ™‚

      • #38 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.12 - 4:22 am

        Yikes. I’ll be good. *coy*

      • #39 by Bumpin42 on 2011.05.19 - 9:13 am

        Lmao, Too Funny : ))

  19. #40 by Mike on 2011.05.11 - 3:55 pm

    I’m checking this vlog multiple times a day, probably once every couple of hours. I just want to know if & when it will open even if it’s in slightly distant future.

  20. #41 by Thumdar on 2011.05.11 - 2:09 pm

    I was looking at some high resolution screen pics of extra cool places in There and it reminded me of how amazing the base artwork was/is. Such a huge pity it’s not available to the public. Fingers crossed it will generate the money needed to get it back online.

    • #42 by Johnny Bird on 2011.05.12 - 12:57 pm

      Aww Thumdar – I got all moody right there when I saw that image πŸ™‚ And you are so right!

  21. #43 by Daniuru on 2011.05.11 - 12:06 pm

    Mr. Wilson, while it is appreciated that you would want our opinions on reopening…and understandable….I just feel that should There reopen, set your price and be done with it! Watch and see how many come back that perhaps haven’t taken this survey. Many, and I mean many, felt that There should not have opened it’s doors free back when. Set your price….I’ll see you in There!!
    (Please note my email has changed)
    Thank you Mr. Wilson

    • #44 by Esky on 2011.05.11 - 4:46 pm

      We’re all aching to get back in There but we’ve got to let MW do it his way and be grateful that he also cares about it that much to try and reopen. After years of not breaking even it makes sense for them to try and prove the numbers before agreeing to do it.

      Yes, it’s killing me waiting to hear the outcome of this too…

  22. #45 by NoBioN on 2011.05.11 - 10:02 am

    Its definitly not healthy to check this blog between 10 – 20 times a day. I can say that because im one of them lol :O.

    Fills alot in the head, all this speculating what the result will be. But i got a feeling that things are heading the right direction.

    I swear to god, through the years time that have passed now. I dreamed multiple times, that there is re-opening. And in all of them i look in my stuff and its all there. And i continue from where i left. Especially i feel the joy of yet playing.

    Sometimes im shocked that it left such a mark in my mind. But there ment alot to me in times that was hard. And i met some great friends in

    That it eventually no longer will be dreams, but reality is almost surealistic. But god damn cool!

    Waiting (almost) patiently on the conclusion. And with faith in that my dreams was more a foreseen of the future and not just dreams.

    You tell me Mr. Wilson, a man in which i really got to respect deeply since the closure. I was Blaming MW together with the majority at the time of closure. But are standing today being very ashamed of it. I never did so with any hate speech or bad behavior, which many might have. But did not understand since my frustrations and sadness blinded me, something most participants also suffered from. But this man have taken quite some flaming, but still stands ready to work and fight for improving and reopen

    I hope Mr. Wilson can forgive and understand =). I remember IM you at closure. And you were displeased with a post i made on regarding why you dident change it to zone based world, if that was the way to keep it open. And why you dident accept the “investor” offers you was rumored to have recieved. Even though these rumors was very common in a closure. They Have shown as being untrue. And i apologize for the thread i made. I dont even know if zone based world would even make it that much cheaper to run anyway. Besides’s charm is also in its seamless world. But at the time we were all fighting and frustrated at the soon to come, closure day of

    I dont know if this post will be made public. But there have to be given thumbs up when deserved. And apologized when only fair. I hope you understand.

    I hope to be back “there” soon =)

    • #46 by MoondustMadness on 2011.05.11 - 2:34 pm

      Ya….what Nobion said! :0)

    • #47 by Esky on 2011.05.11 - 4:59 pm

      Wow, I envy your discipline NoBioN! Just 10 – 20 times a day. Way to go, ROFL!

      [must… not… click… refresh… again… Oh No, darn it!!!]

      • #48 by NoBioN on 2011.05.12 - 5:37 am

        Yes its close to being like that hehe =)

  23. #49 by JD on 2011.05.11 - 9:56 am

    I was thinking.. If There reopens, maybe after paying for membership for a few months, or buying so many tbux, you could give out trials for new members to join for a certain amount of hours, days, a week or a month? Something to award dedicated members with.

    And I have a few questions. Would you let people try it in the future? Like a couple hours free, just so people can test it? I know if it comes back, Ill definitely get back into playing it and my friends might want to try it out and maybe join if they like it.

    And maybe an option to gift membership to friends that cant pay? That would be cool too. πŸ™‚

  24. #50 by MAtt The Teuchter on 2011.05.11 - 9:00 am


    Why cant we all just be positive and hope and prey There or There 2 opens. Hell i am as cynical as the next person, but come on therians, this is our game and we miss it. Lets not focus on what we can and cant do, what we want and what we need, lets just get it open, the rest will work out later. Thank you MW, for at least giving us all hope.


  25. #51 by Dizzy1 on 2011.05.11 - 5:20 am

    Before I have to spend another penny on another game this week, Pleaseeee tell me There is reopening soon. We’re so ready!

  26. #52 by xSnoopy on 2011.05.11 - 5:05 am

    Oh Joy,
    Your so negative !!
    For that, you have earned a free slide, with my compliments!
    When I get done with you, your not gonna be able to wipe the smile off your face πŸ™‚
    Next time we talk, you better have a good reason for leaving the forest! I miss my neighbor 😦

    • #53 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.11 - 7:20 am

      xPoopy xSnoopy xDoopy …. I miss a slide, a ride, a hide. I MISS THERE! I’m hoping MW gives us an announcement soon! I am now preparing to NOT BE ABLE to wipe the smile off my face! luv u! JoyofLife (man I’m wearing out the exclamation key!) hehe!

      • #54 by xSnoopy on 2011.05.11 - 10:02 am

        I’m betting we have an answer by the 18th of May, one week or sooner.
        A perfect date would be this Friday. Wouldn’t that give Hugs something to be negative about.
        The mailing is done which has brought in a lot of old names.
        I originally had guessed 3500 to 5000 users would be enough to put our old home back up. Even being conservative, MW seemed to indicate on the 5th that he had enough (reading between the lines, which usually gets me in trouble).
        Wonder how much it costs to advertise on Google, or some other really widely used site for a short time? It might not reach the perfect demographic but if you did a cross section of the users prior to closing, we had a pretty wide spread of people.
        Completely prepared to accommodate you with the slide and ride πŸ™‚ but the hide, you lost me on that one πŸ™‚

      • #55 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.12 - 4:27 am

        I was thinking of a quest! Do you think they will be revived?

  27. #56 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.11 - 4:39 am

    OH! Thank you: Oh Go Away Already! I’d written a similar post but got erased.

    If a person didn’t like the product and claims “society relies too much on technology to be social” …then why does that same person have to barf negative comments in a blog where folks are trying to encourage Makena to reopen THERE?

    Goodness, take your own advice and “get out there in Real Life”! Wield some of your negativity on ppl who have the ability (feet) to escape your misery. Please take your dubious “Hugs” and give em “Alot” somewhere else.

  28. #58 by erick758 on 2011.05.11 - 4:35 am

    I am excited πŸ˜€

  29. #59 by Rebecca McArthur on 2011.05.11 - 2:23 am


    Why so bitter? If you aren’t into it, then move on back to SL or wherever you are calling home now.

  30. #60 by satarell on 2011.05.11 - 1:28 am

    In the time since there has closed I have found another world to play in “WOW” and I do exactly what I did in there I change my clothes… well armor people laugh since the armor I choose is not good or effective for monsters attacks but hey I am going for a look πŸ™‚ I became a hunter so I could tame a dog he wont chase a soccer ball or sit he likes to kill things and scratch thats about it. And I spend the rest of my time looking around and exporting the problem is when exploring in there when you fall off a cliff you dont die in wow you do. then you have to try to go find your corps 😦 also I tend to get shot and killed alot in wow no force fields, and no porta zones man I need that back whats more fun then randomly placing a portazone with 50 gnomes in it randomly and then watching people find it. I guess Im stuck in wow falling dieing and homeless till there comes back I really hope its soon…..

    • #61 by MrScrooge on 2011.05.11 - 10:51 am

      I have to take anti acid reading your negativity and homophobic remarks on here. Pull your head out of your ass, you shit just like the rest of us.

      • #62 by satarell on 2011.05.11 - 3:07 pm

        O.0 WhAt?!?!

      • #63 by Winston on 2011.05.12 - 5:00 am

        I think you meant to reply to someone els MrScrooge. I’m pretty sure satarell was demonstrating how lonely WoW is compared to There. πŸ™‚

      • #64 by Skyefire on 2011.05.12 - 6:54 am

        Satarell, I think that was a misplace response to someone right above your post.

  31. #65 by Rebecca Warren on 2011.05.10 - 9:46 pm

    Mr. Wilson

    I have a question regarding the survey I just wanted to know do you start off fresh with each survey referring to numbers?

    • #66 by Rebecca Warren on 2011.05.10 - 9:48 pm

      Sorry for the same question I did not think my last one posted..

    • #67 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.11 - 4:51 am

      No, they are cumulative.

      • #68 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.11 - 7:23 am

        Duh… I have to take an antacid just watching you have to answer dumb questions. Lord.

      • #69 by Wendy Stoll on 2011.05.11 - 12:51 pm

        Marianne, you crack me up!! (Um, do you play spades?)

      • #70 by Rebecca Warren on 2011.05.11 - 12:51 pm

        (comment removed by MW)

      • #71 by Rebecca Warren on 2011.05.11 - 1:00 pm

        If there does reopen I will be a proud paying subscriber I deserve to have my question answered even if you do consider them dumb… Who are you? Michael Wilson’s web blog police..

  32. #72 by Rebecca Warren on 2011.05.10 - 9:45 pm

    Mr. Wilson

    I have a question regarding the survey I just wanted to know do you start off fresh with each survey or do the number roll into the next survey?

  33. #73 by Coflin on 2011.05.10 - 9:45 pm

    This is the same HugsAlot that around 2005 ranted about how much he loathed There on his blog and put up all these signs in world telling people to go make a SecondLife account and put him down as the referral avatar.Only to continue logging into the world years later. Constructive criticism is fair, but constant negativity isn’t really appreciated. Some people just never change I guess.

  34. #74 by xSnoopy on 2011.05.10 - 7:43 pm

    When There re-opens, stay away from Paintball zones and never, NEVER turn your FF off!
    Better idea, come to Zephyr, turn your FF off and watch a line form that will stretch all the way to Dune Valley buggy track.
    I guarantee you will be a LOT more popular, with the regulars, than Michael ever was, when he visited us.
    Michael, you never did answer when I invited you to come visit us “if/when” There re-opens.

  35. #75 by Oh Go Away Already! on 2011.05.10 - 6:40 pm

    Hey hugsalot, obviously the vast majority of us are hoping for a positive outcome from this survey.

    So noone here gives a crap what you think so how about you take your (elided by MW), whiney attitude back to your own blog…

    • #76 by speed racer on 2011.05.10 - 11:43 pm


  36. #77 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 4:05 pm

    Michael how much did you spend on this survey, the mailing, all of this, just to see how much money There2 MIGHT generate if you brought it back online?

    Please do not call it There2. Remember There v2.0 came out a year after there went out of beta, and we had a huge influx of noobs who soon realized it was the same old stuff. Clearly There2 will not be a huge change from what we had before, and from what I’ve been reading perhaps LESS. Less performance, little to know customer support, slower developer submissions, smaller staff.

    You might be better off just selling a DVD with the There world as a GAME. You install it on your PC, play around with your self, build your own world, and later let your friends connect via peer to peer, and play together in a sort of add-hoc multiplayer game, but not an MMO.

    • #78 by OHB on 2011.05.10 - 6:11 pm

      The initial mailing was free as was the survey. The second mailing was paid for to ensure delivery to accounts @ services like Yahoo. But given the limited distribution list, it wouldn’t have been much.

      • #79 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 6:39 pm

        That’s the funny thing about this. This wasn’t spam. To me spam is stuff i keep getting constantly (thus how the monty python spam song goes… repeated ad nasium). I only got one of these e-mails (actually i got two since i have about 4 accounts).

        I don’t understand why MW needed to use a mail service to get this out. How would it get filtered as spam if it’s his own mail address? Would it be because the mail headers would see all the other email addresses cc: or forwarded by him? I guess using the mail service makes the emails appear more “personal” and not from a mass mailler?

        Seems like a lot of time and money just to see if maybe if money can be made from something that has failed in the past.

      • #80 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.10 - 6:48 pm

        Mail services will recognize an address that is suddenly sending out large amounts of email as SPAMMERS, and block them. That’s why.

        And actually, the amount of money spent was not “a lot”, not was “a lot” of time spent.

    • #81 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 6:43 pm

      though i’ve always wanted a local “sandbox” of installed on my local PC so i could screw around on my own. Fully test items I’m working on as a development tool before I submit them into world. Set up funzones, PAZes, and homes how i want it… SAVE it.. and then load it up instantly in the online world.

      • #82 by speed racer on 2011.05.10 - 11:41 pm

        If youd like it lagged up to hell and back thats upto you?? were not in SL now. plus itd mean mods would have to go and clean up everything

      • #83 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.11 - 4:49 am

        What you’re asking for is a game that can be subject to piracy, and a connection to your friends over a free p2p connection. I see why you are hammering this blog now. Like it or lump it, if There returns it will have subscription fees, it will be an MMO.

        While I commend your out of the box idea to make There free for you and your buddies it has been said with conviction that this will not happen period should the world return.

      • #84 by Winston on 2011.05.11 - 5:50 am

        What you want is OpenSim then? You don’t actually have a problem with anything about you just want to make your own “world” for folks to play in? Fair enough but I wouldn’t hold your breath on that πŸ™‚

      • #85 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.05.11 - 8:47 am

        Who gives a sh*t what you want and/or like? This is a blog site to access the fiscal possibility to reopen The-same-old-There – which most of us love. Since I learned your creepy picture with that one freaking EYE represents a guy… I am really creeped out. Please Please go back to whatever tranny world you came from and torture ppl there. And cover your breasts eeeek.

        I’m sorry, I just can’t stand wanton stupidity going unchallenged.

      • #86 by Orielle on 2011.05.11 - 4:43 pm

        I do agree with you that it would be nice to fully test items we made before submitting. There did come out with developer workshop zones but those were glitchy and I kept getting errors and went back to the old fashion way of swapping out files and disconnecting myself from being online to test collision…

        As far as using another program to set up our layouts and upload them for them to be in world… one place I tried out does this and i HATE it! If I discover I made any errors i have to go back in to the sandbox program, alter, reupload it, etc etc and it got freakin’ tiresome. In There you can instantly change your layout, save them, reload, get your friends to test, and adjust anything right then and there. No thanks to having a sandbox to build our layouts though I understand why some may want one.

  37. #87 by Maroan on 2011.05.10 - 3:52 pm

    I have loved There since the very first time I played it… There was my second home so to speak, I made a lot of real friends from different countries, and I miss them dearly… What I particulary loved in the game was its ease of use, the cartoonish look, and of course buggy racing! Well in fact it was my passion! It didnt quite came as a chock to me when Makena anounced that There would close, due to economics problems.
    I couldnt understand that suddently the game was free to play, after you paid a one time fee… Without solid sponsors support a world like There cannot survive…
    Anyway, I think I will be in the “good” part of these 50% that will pay 15$ amonth to see There back, and meet my friends again!
    With love to you all Thereans,

  38. #88 by JDin707 on 2011.05.10 - 3:47 pm

    Hmmm, Its nice to see some old familiar names.. I have wondered around the vast universe of MMO’s for a year now, lost I am, dreaming of the days I spent sitting on the porch of Carcass’s A frame look at the fake blue water, listening to the music, talking with all the wonderful people I met in There. So many of them I have been friends with still talking on occasion today through whatever means, cell, skype, vent, and so on. I so truly would love to play There again, buy me a hood, spend countless hours thrashing around it on buggy’s and hover boards. Welcoming the newbie with a paintball shot to the forehead, and then giving them a PB gun so we could all enjoy an hour of laughter and fun. I certainly hope it returns, and I myself think 15 bucks a month is fine, heck I spent that playing stupid…Well no need to bash other games. I guess what I am trying to say, is Mr Wilson please bring There back…..Give us our homes and land we spent so many hours decorating and then changing over and over again…We are lost without There, not everyone will return, some have found other places to play, some cannot afford a monthly fee, I hope there is enough interest in opening again….I will gladly log in pay the fee. Um darn what the heck was my password…lol Anyhow, I hope to see all of you who can come in and like the old video said Be There…..

  39. #89 by Therians Fan on 2011.05.10 - 3:08 pm

    The only issue with the surveys is that they are never reliable, and it’s impossible to go by. It’s hard to make the right choices, but as we all know as humans we all act immature to make others feel miserable including trying to make the survey make it look bad for others who are trying to bring There back. “IF” There does come back will there be sponsors coming back as well? Also, in regards with CC Metro, my understanding isn’t the Bottle Island a Coca-Cola trademark? Wouldn’t that effect any copyright laws?

    • #90 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 4:24 pm

      i agree the only thing MW could get out of this is if everyone responded we’d all be willing to pay $49 a month.

      • #91 by Austinbit on 2011.05.10 - 5:58 pm

        hugsalot, you seem to talk a lot for an audience that doesn’t really exist (There-hating members in a reopening blog).

        Therians Fan simply asked a question, and you responded with “I agree, and its going to cost everyone a ton of money.” Where did the original post even breifly mention financials?

        If you don’t like, thats fine. But don’t -and this is exactly what your doing- tell me why I’m not supposed to like it.

      • #92 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 6:31 pm

        You’re making an assumption that I don’t like and I’m not trying to perswade you to not like it nor anyone else. I’ve been using it longer than most of you on this blog. Even longer than MW has been CEO.

        I’m trying to point out the flaws in some of the logic that MW has. If there2 comes back online, great! I’ll be one of the firsts one back on it. But really don’t think it can sustain it self, with less than 3000 members willing to pay for it (unless they all paid $50) even MW admits this rather tentative even with his own numbers so far.

        I don’t hate There, i apologize if I seem to imply that. I do hate the choices that Mekena and MW has made over the years. I hated black friday which made the world at large think was already taken offline. I hate the fact that as a service never made any money. I also hate the fact that so many people want to be “Free” as if costs nothing to allow thousands to use a service like a freeloader.

        I’m just very doubtful by all this, and why is MW putting so much time, effort and money (considering this is all about the money) to do this month+ long survey. Paying a service to spam their old user base. I suspect he intends to put There2 back online anyway and this is just a way to stir intrest so we can all get rilled up to get back on, after it being offline for a little over a year now,

        Honestly my feelings are mixed, but i tend to lean on the cynical side.

      • #93 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.10 - 6:45 pm

        “I suspect he intends to put There2 back online anyway and this is just a way to stir intrest so we can all get rilled up to get back on, after it being offline for a little over a year now,”


        “.. i tend to lean on the cynical side…”

        Those are not the words I would choose for your method of presenting your views.

      • #94 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.11 - 4:45 am

        hugs, I and a few of my mates are 2003/4 account holders. If There.Com has proven anything to me age and wisdom do not always correlate. Please stop trying to pass off a service mile in There as wisdom and if you must pick faults in MW’s logic/decisions do it in a humane way, offering perhaps an intelligent alternative from the business world.

  40. #95 by John AKA BIGGIEDUDE420 on 2011.05.10 - 2:15 pm

    im happy to see everyone beat me to the punch on posting here its great to see people wanting to start there back up and I think The 1st post by brido said it the best so far.

  41. #96 by John AKA BIGGIEDUDE420 on 2011.05.10 - 1:28 pm

    I have been hoping to see there open forever i miss it im sure most of us when it comes down to it would be willing to pay and 10$-15$ a month is perfect for most working adults i think I just hope everyone is being honest when filling out the survey so we can get an accurate reading of where stands on this.

    • #97 by debbilyn on 2011.05.10 - 3:00 pm

      From what I have experienced in other worlds, There was so far ahead of the pack that they did not need to have monthly updates to keep its game fresh. If There reopens, it will be light-years ahead of the others just as it was.

      • #98 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 4:21 pm

        Kidding me? As a “Newbie mentor” back in it’s so-called hay day. Most of the newbies i helped out didn’t last more than a couple weeks. Matter of fact most of us who had been using There since the beta of 2004 realized that after (at most) 2 months you’ve done basically everything there was to do in Got boring PDQ.

        Sure you do come back for the people and friends, but you don’t need an online service for that. Sometimes i think society relies too much on technology to be social.

      • #99 by there_forever on 2011.05.10 - 6:48 pm

        To Hugsalot:

        I hope this doesn’t sound bad cuz I dont mean it in a bad way but is there any other social virtual world around in which you haven’t done everything in two months? I am talking about a social virtual world not a MMORPG like WoW.

        I could accept SL as the only virtual world of in which there are things you haven’t done already after even 4 months, but that makes sense if you consider that you already need 2 months to learn how to play the game and another 2 months to learn how to and create your avatar!

      • #100 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.11 - 4:42 am

        There is not a game with missions and objectives. I guess if you made friends and took up a side hobby in it you would realise others have no problem using it for up to a lifetime.

  42. #101 by Malloo on 2011.05.10 - 12:45 pm

    The “model” didn’t work because the game had no real updates for X years. It was primitive. Features and unofficial updates from 3rd parties embarrassed in house “developers”. Too many excuses as to why things could not change, or grow. That we knew or found not to be true later. People who said they would pa you in this survey would do it for what they remember, their friends to try and recreate something you had a very small part in giving them, and they don’t need now. The model was fine the development was not. 2-3 years for a new card game, or a set of new beards is not worth an investment. I’m not ready for 5 more years of that. How do you plan to make this game grow when so many other games with NO potential left are 50X greater than this one?

    Its really easy to run away from real questions, chances are if they hurt and your trying to avoid them that they are about the problem with your model.

    • #102 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.10 - 12:50 pm


      1. If you don’t think the game changed much, especially in the last two years, then you weren’t paying attention.
      2. I’m not sure what questions I’ve dodged. Can you be more specific?

      • #103 by OHB on 2011.05.10 - 1:27 pm

        It doesn’t matter what changes were made, it’s the perception that counts. Press and eye candy are everything. Yes, there were changes, but apart from a couple of things, basically no one noticed. Again, that’s not to say that changes didn’t happen…but if no one remembers it, it might as well not have. This is just the reality of life.

        If 2There is to have a chance, it will need a development map…preferably a public one. And, I think something high on the list should be something that was discussed several years ago: SCRIPTING. I’m not expecting it right away, but it needs to be on the map.

      • #104 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 4:18 pm

        It barely changed in the 7 years i was involved with it Micheal. Other than a few bug fixes, a lot of the old “code” was still left. Even the old remnants GUI of the client software from 2002 STILL EXISTED in the install.

        Malloo makes a valid point Michael. The HEAVY HEAVY dependance on Internet Explorer, and Adobe FLASH would cause problems whenever either of those two had an update. And most people refused to use because of the high risk factors using IE.

      • #105 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.11 - 5:07 am

        Some changes from the later 3 years:
        *Programming changes to There to allow props and prop submissions.
        *2 incredibly large, varied islands, and countless small islands surrounding these 2.
        *Several new locations.
        *Instances (referred to as “Layers” by There) started in CosmoGirl, though with much disapproval.
        *Animated water with a shallow depth.
        *Ambience applied to PortaZones and Neighbourhoods.
        *Workshop PortaZones introduced for testing objects in world before submitting them to There.
        *New sizes/drops to various real estate.
        *Several bugs were fixed with real estate, avatar customisation, items.
        *Mannequins (I don’t think I need to explain how these work, who knows maybe I’m wrong).
        *New game tables, ability to submit properties for them.
        *Tropical Escape was pioneering new code and animation tech for There.Com.
        *Streaming video in Zona Island.
        *Permission and structural changes in various locations to address griefing.
        *Previously thought to be a nightmare in the old There, a space hood was born!
        *New vehicles introduced 2007 onwards, some with add-ons.
        *Object limits and parameters changed/increased for structures (80-100m objects were now possible).

        I could go on, but those are some of the changes to the core that I remember. There were a lot of social/visible changes, too, and that is a much longer list.

      • #106 by Winston on 2011.05.11 - 5:28 am

        From 2002 to 2008, IE (which for full disclosure, I despise) was the single most popular browser out there. When There was initially developed IE was basically all there was available so I don’t think you can really blame Makena Tech/Forterra for that. I personally don’t recall having issues with Adobe or IE updates but other user’s results may vary. What changes are you asking for? A graphics update? You want the avies to have jiggly parts and hair that waves like your watching a shampoo commercial? It’s been developed for Macs now, Mr. Wilson has stated there will be two new activities and we may get to see updated avies as they have been developed further over the past year. That’s not too bad for a “closed” MMO. I understand your criticisms and I feel they are valid but this isn’t the forum to discuss them. Let’s get the place open first then start worrying about improvements and updates. But if you come in with the idea that “nothing ever changed and nothing ever will” then I think you’ll find your experience will meet your own expectations. Open eyes and a blank slate.

      • #107 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.11 - 6:39 am

        Hey Winston, once the focus changes from “should/can There reopen?” to “what would you like to see in There 2?” I would definitely like to see a browser change with Adobe and Sun support. You’re quite right though about the browser previously being IE due to what was out at the time.

        Unfortunately as time went on Makena were busy with other things and trying to meet other demands that actually made money in order for them to survive. Seeing as There is closed right now, who knows if Makena decide to reopen perhaps this indefinite downtime would be the perfect opportunity to look into modernising the browser and apps it supports.

      • #108 by Winston on 2011.05.11 - 7:10 am


        I can’t very well say “this isn’t the place to discuss updates” then proceed to do just that now can I? πŸ™‚ I know this issue is being addressed at Thumdar but I don’t think browser support has been brought up yet.

    • #109 by Esky on 2011.05.10 - 3:10 pm

      People who didn’t explore the world very much could think nothing had changed I suppose, but I enjoyed exploring There so I was always keen to know what changes were going on.

      I thought There put quite a bit of effort into self-promotion to the user base, but if users didn’t visit There Central or receive the monthly newsletter or read There Fun Times or the forums then how else can There keep those members informed?

    • #110 by Timo on 2011.05.10 - 3:23 pm

      The average Joe doesn’t care as much about updates, scripting, or whatever. They only care about talking with there friends and that’s what social games are really all about. All that other stuff is just icing on the cake but it doesn’t make the game, the people do. Look at some of the other comments here. People have tried Second Life and similar social games but still find them lacking something There had. So they must have done something right!

  43. #111 by Escape on 2011.05.10 - 12:05 pm

    When I received the survey email and started reading this blog, many memories of There flooded my mind.

    Long ago, my first glimpse of There was on that techie tv program with those 2 guys……Due to commitments, I was not able to help beta test. But within 30 days after it ended, I applied and did receive an invitation email which allowed me a 7 day free trial. Yearly subscription was $99.95 and I took advantage of the limited time half price offer…

    Hopefully things will work out for us to ‘continue’ exploring “Our World”!

  44. #112 by SirGemini on 2011.05.10 - 11:57 am

    What about making the monthly fee like 12.50. Cut it down the middle, between 15 and 10. Every little bit helps, and I hardly doubt anyone who said they’d pay ten wouldnt pay an extra 2.50.

    I also support the idea brought up of maybe having a premium membership for slightly more with perhaps a discount on tbux, paintballs and other in world expenses. Thus encouraging people who actually invest in game to buy the prem membership, but allow people who basically play just for the social aspect and rarely buy anything the ability to just pay the lower amount.

  45. #113 by matt on 2011.05.10 - 11:18 am

    I didn’t get my E-mail how come?

    • #114 by jimony on 2011.05.10 - 12:21 pm

      I never did either, but I think it is because I am on Comcast. Is it because I didn’t log on There enough?
      If so, they could be missing a huge segment of Therians that would love to come back.

  46. #115 by Malingo on 2011.05.10 - 9:09 am

    Great to see that the status looks neutral to positive:)
    Malingo aka Kangaroo

  47. #116 by VoniLei on 2011.05.10 - 8:08 am

    I just wanted to wish you a very happy Monty Python day, since this seems to be the right room for an argument πŸ˜›

    • #117 by SaltySilver on 2011.05.10 - 11:25 am

      β€œOh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I’m being repressed!”

      • #118 by Wendy Stoll on 2011.05.10 - 1:51 pm

        There’s “not dead yet!” Hey Voni πŸ™‚ Cant wait to hoverboard with you again!


      • #119 by Tiggy on 2011.05.10 - 2:31 pm

        Dooonaaa et su dooomineeeee…..*THWAP* Dooonaaa ae es reeeequieeemmmmm…. *THWAP*

      • #120 by VoniLei on 2011.05.10 - 4:39 pm

        You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.

        ‘wave Wendy and Salty! ‘hug

      • #121 by Winston on 2011.05.10 - 7:15 pm

        “Look, this isn’t an argument.”
        “Yes it is.”
        “It’s just contradiction.”
        “No it isn’t.”

  48. #122 by Xme on 2011.05.10 - 7:12 am

    It was obviously not Henry Galt who posted here someone is playing games…

    • #123 by Winston on 2011.05.10 - 10:07 am

      Ya. single sentence self promotion doesn’t seem to be his style. I would expect a follow-up tirade denouncing There, Michael Wilson and orange kitty cats. Hmmm…any one of us could be Henry Galt…even Michael Wilson!

    • #124 by jimony on 2011.05.10 - 12:19 pm

      You and NoBion are probably correct that it wasn’t the fictional character “Henry Galt” from YowNow that posted that, although it is exactly the type of post he would post if he did.

  49. #125 by mimi06 on 2011.05.10 - 6:38 am

    I think and always thought that anyone that saw or played THERE knows what it had to offer.. hence the 1000’s and 1000’s of emails.. I surely hope it NEVER goes to free play.. Its unique in it’s own way right down to the 1000’s of THERIANS that want it back. And that includes the BEST designers that have posted here in it’s favor.. sure we moved on and SOME designers did as well.. I wish them luck where ever they are.. BUT I am willing to bet even SOME of those return IF THERE reopens.

    SCROOGY! rofl.. waves..

  50. #126 by Lexi W. AKA Macklinn on 2011.05.10 - 6:14 am

    Mr wilson, Please let be a free website, yet take monthly donations, and make membership your price, but alot of people will not join if its not free, No people- No money, Thats just my opinion.

    • #127 by jimony on 2011.05.10 - 12:40 pm

      No money = no There = no people.
      I am confident MW will come up with a method of allowing people to learn what There has to offer in the future once it is back up. It can’t come back up without an income base first though.

    • #128 by Rick on 2011.05.10 - 12:46 pm

      Just No….

    • #129 by hugsalot on 2011.05.10 - 4:12 pm

      If was a “website” then perhaps it should be free, since we all know paid websites aren’t often successful. Fortunately however, was not just a “website” it’s an MMO.

  51. #130 by HenryGalt on 2011.05.10 - 5:01 am

    We at yownow can give you everything you ever wanted,coupled with the greatest designers ever and greatest programmers.Programmers who helped setup google and yahoo.We are proud of our progress

    • #131 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.10 - 5:08 am

      That sounds fantastic. Who are these programmers?

      • #132 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.10 - 5:29 am

        Questions are dangerous, Michael!
        Be careful, you could get banned from your own blog!

      • #133 by WikkedBliss on 2011.05.10 - 9:27 am

        I have had 5 friends get banned from yownow,One because of what he posted in the forums ( his honest opinion about people getting banned for everything) I went over and looked at it….zzzzzzzzzzzz. Wake me up when the dictatorship is over and you get some decent graphics and people actually playing : )

      • #134 by Riot on 2011.05.10 - 4:12 pm

        I got banned from YowNow for writing in Thumdar’s forums. What makes it even more fun is that the people there at the wonderful world of YN don’t even have the guts to give me a reason why I was banned, even after I emailed them asking for a reason.

        I guess I don’t mind, I would never want to be involved in a cult community anyways. If There re-releases I’ll be glad to design for again. πŸ˜€

      • #135 by Bumpin42 on 2011.05.19 - 8:57 am

        I got banned just for reading forums, Thats it!!!

    • #136 by NoBioN on 2011.05.10 - 5:22 am

      Do i smell sarcasme?

    • #137 by MrScrooge on 2011.05.10 - 5:48 am

      Doctors can help you, Henry. It’s called Prozac and I think it would do wonders for you.

    • #138 by majandithere on 2011.05.10 - 6:28 am

      “everything you ever wanted”, is a promise, – sorry to say that, I tend to mistrust.

      • #139 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.10 - 6:30 am

        You’re right. I want everyone ever banned from that site to be re-instated, forever, immediately, and irrevocably.


        Ok, sorry folks, that was unprofessional, and I apologize. I couldn’t resist.

      • #140 by There Lover on 2011.05.10 - 6:37 am

        hahaha Your so evil MW!

      • #141 by Bradley Cornwest on 2011.05.10 - 7:03 am

        This isn’t’s blog, this is your blog MW. No reason to apologize for being or doing anything unprofessional.

      • #142 by Orielle on 2011.05.10 - 3:49 pm

        I had actually suggested over on Thumdar’s forums that they unban everyone who was unjustly banned, but I also added they should apologize to them for allowing it to have happened. Michael, I didn’t find your comment the least but unprofessional except for maybe the “Mwoohahahhahah” bit. πŸ˜› As for me… I imagine I’m now perma IP banned from the site no matter what. πŸ˜›

    • #143 by There Lover on 2011.05.10 - 6:41 am

      What did those programmers do for Yahoo and Google? They must of been the banning members part of the company.

      P.S. It’s pretty funny how you just advertise Yownow on here.. I mean.. really? your not getting any members here! HA!

    • #144 by TherianForever on 2011.05.10 - 8:13 am

      I wonder how many of those “Greatest Designers” will leave HowNowBrownCow if There reopens. I’m betting on A LOT. But of course, they would never tell Henry Galt that, or they would be banned even if There didn’t reopen.

      Oh no! They’d lose their precious “First Fifty” bragging/favortism rights! How would they ever survive?

      • #145 by jimony on 2011.05.10 - 12:26 pm

        No one will need The Other World, or as I like to call it, BOTTOM (oops, doesn’t spell Bottom?) when There (The Only Place, or as YowNow rightfully calls it TOP) comes back.

    • #146 by Marianne (JoyofLife) on 2011.05.10 - 9:33 am

      I do not mean to be disrespectful, but how can you be “proud” of progress – of which the sum total of over a year’s efforts are some generic screen shots, a video that does not function and a static avatar with drawn-on clothes? I read the YN forum where you spent paragraph after paragraph insulting and degrading everything about THERE/MAKENA/MW then banned everyone who had positive comments on same (tastefully your tirade has also been removed)

      But to now use MW’s blog to bolster YN’s “progress”, is the height of incredulity.

      Sir, today you have shown us who you really are.

      Pandering “everything” to saddened, lonely people who miss their THERE home & friends is simply unconscionable.

      MW must be a saint to allow your comments here.

    • #147 by Jonathan on 2011.05.10 - 10:58 am

      Don’t flatter yourself.

      None of you know how to program and to say “greatest designers”– hah! I laugh at you.

      First impressions are everything, and with a website (dare i call it that?!) like that of ChowNow, I think any real software engineers / designers would laugh their arses’ off.

      I mean come on, who uses splash-screens these days?

  52. #148 by SalemScott on 2011.05.10 - 3:26 am

    Glad to hear it, Michael! I’m definitely a paying customer (granted the price range stays within the standard MMO 10$-15$). Can’t wait to see my buggy and many, MANY phases of clothing I went through as a preteen. I’ve tried Second Life, fun for simple geometric shape building, but that’s about the extent of fun I had on it. Since we won’t have scion or whatever that car company sponsoring us before, will we lose those club/car abominations? They just seemed so out of place in my opinion.

    Also, I looked at PowNoW…er YowNow (whatever), couldn’t tell whether I was more scared or appalled. Did they buy rights to using a carbon copy of There?

  53. #149 by Tomixcomics on 2011.05.09 - 11:13 pm

    Before I ask this, I need to point out I am NOT saying THERE should be free. I can’t stress this enough.
    I am simply asking out of curiosity, an open quesiton for whoever reads this – how do other online worlds manage financially with a free memberships?

    • #150 by Winston on 2011.05.10 - 6:55 am

      Freemium isn’t free but it seems to be a successful business model for some MMOs. You get a free account that has limited features and access. For example, Runescape allows free players (F2Ps) access to only a limited portion of the world, skills and quests. Free players cannot max out their battle skills because they do not have access to certain skills that allow that to happen. SL does this as does Habbo Hotel, Club Penguin, IMVU and FreeRealms, to name a few. used to do this but I think the key to a Freemium model being successful is to leave them wanting more. I think allowed non-members to do far too much for free. Probably the key reason there are so many whining about paying now; they could do most everything for free and could even receive clothes and items from other players.

      • #151 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.10 - 6:58 am

        The problem with Freemium in there is as long as the Freemies can interact with the rest of the population, they can – and will – be used by griefers.

        I guess we could solve that by making Freemies unable to chat. Or take vehicles. Or move.

        See! I KNEW Avatar-In-Carbonite would come in handy!

  54. #152 by Gabi on 2011.05.09 - 9:17 pm

    Even as a beta “lifetime” member I’d be willing to come back and pay $10/month, but if you raised it to $15/month *and* included a monthly stipend of ThereBucks I’d be happy to pay the $15 and do so at a 6-month block. I’d rather pay more per month and get a monthly “income” of ThereBucks than pay less and have to pay extra for ThereBucks. Although I think either way I’ll want to come back – especially if the pay model will eventually help you update the game over time and improve graphics quality.

  55. #153 by Danielle on 2011.05.09 - 7:33 pm

    I met my hubby to be on there, and we now have a 15 month old daughter… I was sooo upset to see there shutdown. I’m hoping for it to come back. The game got me to a great place in my life and I’m willing to pay to keep the great first memories of my relationship alive! πŸ™‚

    • #154 by Rebecca McArthur on 2011.05.10 - 1:09 am

      *points up* What she said! πŸ™‚

    • #155 by luckyjunior2005 on 2011.05.10 - 1:17 am

      Danielle, you wouldn’t happen to be someone I knew in There would you? The description you gave, and your name reminds me of a friend in There that I haven’t talked to in a while. If you do happen to be that friend (Ella), just thought I would say that I look forward to hanging out again if/when There reopens. If you aren’t Ella, well I’d like to say hi anyway! πŸ˜€


      • #156 by Danielle on 2011.05.11 - 9:51 am

        Lucky! How the heck have ya been! Ha Ha Yes tis me Ella! Yes we will have to hang out! I’m sooo excited about the thought of THERE opening again!

      • #157 by luckyjunior2005 on 2011.05.11 - 11:17 am

        Ella, I just sent you a message on Thumdar, so we don’t go off topic here. πŸ˜€

  56. #158 by Nextalk on 2011.05.09 - 7:17 pm

    No offense to the people of YowNow(although if they are reading this I am sure they will take it offensively), but their graphics are cheesy, their “buggies” look like soap boxes, and their characters look like the ugly baby of a there and second life avatar. If they charged to play, I wouldn’t spend a penny on it. If they said it was free, I wouldn’t spend a second of my time on it. YowNow’s whole budget and idea plan is just set up to fail. It would be extremely hard to keep a virtual world “G-rated” as they said on their site. Now I liked /There/ because the graphics, and the level of interaction that was involved/required by the player. See Michael I like you (No homo), because you are smart. Your number one priority is to make sure their is enough money to even start /There/ up again. You ignore the bullshit questions, until you have the answer that is Necessary ‘will there be enough money to start /There/ up and keep it running?” And hopefully these results will get you that. See I don’t regret SPENDING not INVESTING but SPENDING the money I did in /There/ Because as you said “you’re spending money on entertainment, just as you would spend money on a movie, or a play.” and that is the truth. I DON’T hold any grudges on Micheal Wilson or the Makena staff for closing the way they did. Because, i SPENT money on something that was fun, entertaining, exciting, and enjoyable by me. I would love to see /There/ return and when or IF it did I wouldn’t hesitate to SPEND money on it, even if it was just for a month. Because I would be SPENDING money on something that made me happy.. IF it re-opened I would try to be the first one in world and the first one to spend as much money as I could on it. Heck I would even have my own little countdown, and throw myself a little party. So all I can do now is hope that the numbers add up, and /There/ will re-open. Mr. Wilson you are a smart guy, and I like you for that (again No homo). I hope that someone as smart as you can figure this out. If it is to costly and won’t work. Well Thank you anyway.

    Thank you!!,
    P.S Thank you!
    P.S.S Thank you so much!!
    P.S.S.S Just thought I would say thank you again! πŸ˜›

  57. #159 by Pokey on 2011.05.09 - 6:54 pm

    SL > There

    • #160 by Joeydantonio on 2011.05.09 - 8:23 pm

      my dirty socks from the gym today > your life

      • #161 by Lee on 2011.05.10 - 1:12 pm

        Well done.

    • #162 by Gabi on 2011.05.09 - 9:22 pm

      I’m sorry but I have disagree. I tried SL and still have an account there (no pun intended), but I never liked it. The characters move awkwardly, and overall the UI is difficult to use. I have a background in usability and I found the usability of SL to be far below that of There. I also think There’s avatars were much more attractive (if a little more cartoonish, but I like that), than those in SL. Overall I just never enjoyed SL, but I loved There.

      • #163 by Wendy Stoll on 2011.05.10 - 1:43 pm

        What Gabi said. I’ve played cards in SL several times, but most of the time I’m a “ghost” or “cloud.” The customer service seriously sucks. And just…bleah.


    • #164 by Jonathan on 2011.05.10 - 8:10 am

      No, SL < There.

      Their performance issues are shocking.

  58. #165 by pHluid13 on 2011.05.09 - 6:35 pm

    I think you should start the fee off at $12.99/month and adjust from there depending on the amount of hits. =) I’d also bet that those who aren’t willing to pay will reconsider as well and decide to pay. I’m taking a gander that people voted they weren’t willing to pay because they thought by doing so it would allow There to open for free again. It’s a risk, but the numbers are looking good considering your needed numbers.

  59. #166 by MrScrooge on 2011.05.09 - 6:28 pm

    Regardless of what happens, thanks for giving it a shot. I know I’ve been a basher of you before in our love/hate relationship but I would trust you with my money way more than that NEP (Non-Existent Place). Usually I am all for everything being free but I understand that money needs to come in to pay the pills. I wish the world were different than that, I know I would rather save my money and swim around in it, but life isn’t like that/ I am surprised that many people don’t grasp this. Ah, well. I am still hoping for the best. Yes Mimi, I see you waving at me.

    • #167 by Summers on 2011.05.10 - 11:45 am

      Could not have said that any better myself Scroogie.
      Love/hate relationships… he..he..he..he

  60. #168 by Rebecca on 2011.05.09 - 5:11 pm

    Mr. Wilson,

    I have a question regarding the surveys do you start off fresh with each survey or do the numbers roll off into the next survey?

  61. #169 by Dizzy1 on 2011.05.09 - 5:00 pm

    Im excited about the possibility of THERE.COM returning. I’ve also not found a game like it. Being able to get on my hoverboard and ride across the waters without any tping I’d pay most anything for. The only thing I would like to be reassured of IF you bring THERE.COM Mr. Wilson, is that if there is a financial problem, we will be in the loop. The quick close down last time really left a terrible terrible heartache in a lot of peoples lives. I know people say it’s “just” a game, but no, it wasn’t “just” a game. I’ve never met people and friends like I have in We are all ready to come back and try again along with you to make work (I am speaking for myself and about 9 of my therian friends) Right now I pay over 30.00 cash a week in in SL. I would have no problem paying this in either, along with my 2nd avie. Most my friends had 2 also and would do the same. I can really appreciate the way you are going about considering reopening this time, slowly, i.m. first and so on. Looking forward to your decision and want you to know we’re behind /along side you all the way, whatever decision it be, trusting it will be the best decision for everyone.

  62. #170 by JACKSONofSPADES on 2011.05.09 - 4:43 pm

    Just wanted to say thanks to Mr. Wilson for doing this for us. Even if There doesn’t get re-opened, the fact that he’s strongly considering it and making us such a big part of it is really… GREAT. Couldn’t really think of a better word, haha. I’ve just recently come across this blog, maybe a few days ago, but I’ve read quite a few of Mr. Wilson’s posts and they show what a great guy he is, and I couldn’t think of anyone better to run the game that was (and hopefully will be again) such a big part of my life. Also reading comments Thereians have posted has reminded me of what a close and friendly community we are. I’m proud to be Thereian.
    There was a great place, I would give anything for that part of my life back.

    Also, I wanna give a shout-out to the great folks who have been racing with me at Dune Valley over the years (used to be known as God_am), and especially anyone who was in or even knows of Point Blank Racing. Hope to race you again soon! It’s long overdue.

  63. #171 by debbilyn on 2011.05.09 - 4:29 pm

    After closed, I tried almost every virtual world game available and have not found anything that offers the positive experience offered. I continue to hope that There reopens and think that a monthly fee is appropriate for a quality entertainment experience.

    • #172 by Escape on 2011.05.10 - 2:37 am

      I always said, “The Entertainment Value Is Priceless”!

    • #173 by Wendy Stoll on 2011.05.10 - 1:39 pm

      Totally with you, Debilyn; I think we even met up in Onverse. That place was fun for a day or two…


      • #174 by debbilyn on 2011.05.10 - 2:46 pm

        Hi Wendy. Yes that was me in Onverse.

  64. #175 by Me on 2011.05.09 - 4:27 pm

    Do you have A date when the Survey will Be Finished and the results Tested?

  65. #176 by Lee on 2011.05.09 - 3:16 pm

    I hope this isn’t people just taking the survey over and over. It’s not helping. All I have to say is that I WILL be paying whatever the cost is. Every month.

  66. #177 by mimi06 on 2011.05.09 - 2:55 pm

    wondering if there wont be any “support” system, does that mean that no one can contact anyone to have passwords reset? if they provided PROOF of the account? with say credit cards or OLD email accts? not sure I even worded that correctly..

  67. #178 by Brido on 2011.05.09 - 1:44 pm

    Maybe it’s a question off topic Mr Wilson.. But just something different from maybe what you’ve had to answer…

    Lets say There had came back.. Would you be setting the ratings system for buggys/paintball to 0 again?

    And is it possible in anyway for Old names that were never bought for premium to be basically sold on the market again? Like.. Deleting inactive names after x amount of years that were never upgraded to allow others to use them?

  68. #179 by Marianne (JoyofLife) on 2011.05.09 - 1:09 pm

    I was so happy to see the results characterized by you as: “generally neutral to positive”!!! Can’t wait for the decision!

  69. #180 by Lauren on 2011.05.09 - 12:36 pm

    Does this mean that There2 will open as 18 plus (If it does open). I wouldnt think that the question would be there if it wasnt a possibility that anyone under 18 would be able to play. Hopfully it does, If not i hope the best to There and I will definatly be counting down the days till I can come back:). Goodluck!

  70. #181 by Rick on 2011.05.09 - 12:21 pm

    will we have a kill feature this time? theres a few thereians id be willing to use it on

  71. #183 by Santacroce on 2011.05.09 - 12:02 pm

    I hope comes back! Can’t wait, I will pay 15 dollars a month no problem.

  72. #184 by There Lover on 2011.05.09 - 12:00 pm

    Great to see that the ending to the Survey is coming. One thing I wanted to point out is, your assuming that all of the people that will pay $10 monthly will go to $15 monthly. I am sorry to say, but I can’t afford that right now. I can $10, but more than that is like giving me NO wiggle room money wise. Of course I will be spending T-Buxs to. Which is why I wouldn’t have any wiggle room. is very important to me, but not to where I want to put myself where I will have no fun, because I can’t afford to buy things. Honestly I can imagine that number will pay. Plus if you figure the hoods / funzones / T-Bux’s your most likeely going to make enough. I’m not an accountant so I have no clue, but I hope you make the right choice. πŸ™‚

    • #185 by There Lover on 2011.05.09 - 2:16 pm

      No comment? I woulda figured you would have. πŸ˜‰

  73. #186 by Jane Meyers on 2011.05.09 - 11:57 am

    $10 or $15 sounds like a great monthly price considering how great I have heard this game is. I have also watched my daughter play this game several times, and it looked like a blast:).
    I would suggest setting up options to donate, even when is open. I’m sure a lot of designers and There-addicts would be very willing to pay the extra money just to be nice, instead of paying it for extra priveledges. I would be willing to pay a bit extra, just to contribute to the running cost’s of

    Ps. – Still wondering about my previous questions? I see that it hasn’t been answered elsewhere, and I’m quite sure there are other adults wondering as well: will underages accounts be opened for a limited time to transfer the items so that they will not go to waste? I have a daughter who used to play There, and I would love to have the items on my accounts since she will no longer be able to play!

    Response appreciated?? Thanks for all the effort being put into this, Michael :). Best of luck!!

  74. #187 by jimony on 2011.05.09 - 11:43 am

    If you are assuming 50% of responses saying they will pay 10 or 15 per month are practical, then you must consider that if you go with 15 per month at least 50% of all responders, including “Other” would pay that. Even a percentage of those saying they wouldn’t pay, when it comes down to it, will, but let’s not consider them for now.
    I added 858+825+3669+940=6292. Divide by the 50% fudge = 3146 and multiplied by 15 = 47,190. Is this not reasonable? I think at least half the responses should be valid and those agreeing to pay 15 or 20 are probably higher than the 50% fudge. If There opens, will you send all first responders a box of fudge? Talking about it got me craving some.

  75. #188 by Grimm on 2011.05.09 - 11:40 am

    Just a thought here, and Mr Wilson, if you CAN provide feedback on this one, I’d really like to hear it…

    As a developer, I’m willing to release some of the things I’ve made to There that could be painted and sold as There items in the shop, with no payment to me, if it will help bring in cash to keep There around.

    As an example, if I were to paint up one of my Eliminators (the muscle car hoverboat) with some kind of There logo or paint scheme (or give the model to one of your in-house artists to complete), it could be sold in the Shop for a lesser fee that what I would charge, kind of like the old school buggies – the Kong etc. That way, there would be a better catalogue of There branded merch available for first time users, and it could fill out the revenue stream for There as well. I’m sure there are other devs that would be willing to contribute some stuff as well – furniture, decor items, whatever… as long as it would help bring the company money.

    It’s a vested interest for us – if you make money, WE make money. I have no qualms investing in that way, if it means I have a place I can work again πŸ˜‰

    Anyone else on board with that?

    • #189 by Winston on 2011.05.09 - 2:03 pm

      Whatever gets There open and Grimm’s buggies in my ginormous virtual pockets works for me πŸ™‚

    • #190 by SassyBeMe on 2011.05.09 - 3:48 pm

      I see your kind of thinking along the same lines I was. I figured once they reopen then discuss it in more detail. What motivates the developers more is bragging rights, right? SO, my thought to help with theme activities and keeping shop fresh would be to bring back developers working together towards one theme goal. Maybe one item per person to keep it clean of egos. Maybe a twice a year event thing since most will be doing other projects as well. OR more if need be, just blank thoughts here. People seemed to have more fun working together as one rather then playing, who is king. Later as more sponsors fall into place It could be more focused on them.

      I liked the idea of theme events staying. Mostly cause it helps all in a greater scale. Specially if you have the same oz fest per say every year. At least then you might have new items every year so it might not be the same old oz fest every year. And for Pete’s sake more then for just a week. A week is not worth it. A month would and should give more time for quality entertainment. More bang for the T-buck. Which should help both THERE and developers in the long run………..Food for thought until they open this thang! πŸ™‚

  76. #191 by Studly From There on 2011.05.09 - 11:34 am

    are you also figuring cost of buying Tbucks?

  77. #192 by Unknown on 2011.05.09 - 11:30 am

    UMMMM….We needa go with $15 a month… for people who dont wanna pay SMH Yu must not want it back and if you want it to be $10 Then whats wrong with adding a extra 5 dollars…..But anyway MW take your time dont rush your self or we might end up in a hole with adding up the survery results.

  78. #193 by Danielle on 2011.05.09 - 11:20 am

    I believe more people would be think about paying it there was something more in it for them. Why pay for a game monthly that use to be free if you’re not getting any perks. Given I know it wasn’t working with no monthly memberships, and i’m willing to pay monthly just to have the game back…. You have to make it worth paying monthly for those who aren’t as excited as myself. πŸ™‚

    And I think it’s smart to have some form of free trial… No one is going to pay a game that they don’t even get to at least try out first. Even if you keep those to a certain island and can’t go anywhere else… atleast they could see graphically how the game plays.

    • #194 by Beta2003 on 2011.05.09 - 11:29 pm

      Well, the perks are, THEY GET TO PLAY THERE. πŸ™‚ btw. I’m not trying to come down on you, just replying for others hell bent on the free option right out of the gate.

      While I’m confident we would gain newly minted members, I don’t really think that is the point of the survey. We need enough base users to justify the effort and expense of reopening, it will not be free for MW and team to do that. Those initial users are much more likely to be the die hards who, like me, just can’t find ANYTHING else as a suitable replacement.

      I found plenty of things to do in There, I discovered something new almost every time I logged in (not counting from black friday to the first Makena update). And Makena made a LOT of changes from then until they closed There. Thousands of people had a free trial that lasted YEARS, so in that context, no making it free does not necessarily entice people to upgrade. That’s how we lost our world in the first place.

      Besides, I’m willing to bet that someone spending $X (any sum) will be MORE inclined to work around installation issues, initial instability when the service relaunches, endless updates as parts come back online and new issues are fixed. I ‘heard’ WAAAAY more complaints from the ‘free’ members than I did from members who were paying.

      Additionally, the complaints I overheard in world from other paying members tended to be more specific like ‘this issue here is not working, under these cases’ vs the free members complaints of ‘this sucks’, ‘what do I do now’, ‘can you give me something free, cause I’m ….’ or basically ‘Free is not “Free” enough for me!’.

      Here’s looking forward to our potential first days on ThereIM and finally back in world!

      • #195 by Danielle on 2011.05.11 - 10:05 am

        But in order for There to come back for good…. You have to bring in new people also willing to pay, and I would never pay for a game I couldn’t atleast try first. If THERE opens back up they have a great opportunity to gain a whole new client base willing to pay.
        You also need to take into account that some people can’t afford to pay each month for a game, and so if they’re putting 10-15 bucks into something they want to make sure it’s worth it first.

        I’m just hoping that THERE doesn’t open for a few months and close down again, cause there are not enough NEW members to help keep it open.

        I know that some months I’ll have 10bucks to pay others I might have more… so I think the options for paying should be kept open… with perks for people who pay more then the standard (whatever that may be).

        Personally I’ve been paying Aion to keep me from my THERE withdrawls…. It isn’t working out. πŸ™‚

      • #196 by Esky on 2011.05.11 - 12:49 pm

        Yes, MW has said that there will have to be some approach to trial accounts if There re-opens. The short term goal, however, is to get paying customers – so that means members of the existing user base who are prepared to pay and first-timers who are prepared to pay. I’m sure it will be addressed at some point. It looks like most of us believe that it will have to be addressed at some point.

        I’m sure there’s a new club name in there, but I can’t think of it. You know, something like “I Tried Another VW But It Didn’t Help My There Withdrawals” or “No Other VW Could Take The Edge Off”, LOL! But you know, some name that *doesn’t* roll off your tongue like a brick. πŸ˜€

      • #197 by Beta2003 on 2011.05.12 - 12:41 am

        I totally get where your coming from Danielle, however it appears to me that your glossing over something:

        WHO will be paying for the free members? It’s not free, even if some activities might have a small incremental cost * all free accounts. Could add up costs quickly. Especially if the point of the free trial account is to get to experience the fun things that are in world before you decide.

        Even though ‘you’ might not pay to try a game before playing it, MILLIONS of people buy games shrinkwrapped in boxes or disc cases without ever seeing more than the picture and seeing/hearing reviews. And interestingly if There were to relaunch, there are thousands of video clips from inside There posted all over the web (granted of highly varying quality), websites with tricks and hints, and other resources to add richness to the experience and a sense of what the world is like before you join.

        I absolutely think we’d need AND GET new members, even during the initial phase where you have to pay to play. I just don’t want the initial subscription to be $45/month to help support the overhead for the free accounts during the initial stages.

  79. #198 by Sonoma on 2011.05.09 - 11:18 am

    LOl ( Removed by Editor)
    And um have you guuys ever thought of changing the name of i mean like keep the game like it was and stuff just change the name so it gets the attention of people and its easier to find

    like all those other virtual worlds that are known have like good names that get you attention and makes you play them but they all suckslike second life vside yeah just a suggestion πŸ˜€
    and if it did happend dont choose a crap name like yownow lol wtf is that (Removed by Editor)

    • #199 by Winston on 2011.05.09 - 2:01 pm

      vSide is circling the drain. No way is that place making money.

  80. #200 by allie on 2011.05.09 - 11:08 am

    I sit here everyday waiting for an update. lol
    I’m seriously soooo excited that it might come back. I’d pay 50 DOLLARS a month if it came back! I just miss it so much.

  81. #201 by EvenStupider on 2011.05.09 - 11:04 am

    ( comment elided due to legal concerns )

    ( You can look at this instead. )

  82. #202 by Okalnix on 2011.05.09 - 10:59 am

    Better a stable monny flow to the for the server stay online.
    Afcose in the old there we have shops and stuff ,zones and other monny flow .
    The Bassic flow of monny are your garanty stable pay.
    Also the workers like server maintain -update,helping desk,there helpers online cost monny.
    I do not know the tottaal thing but just stand still and think what you need to stay online.
    You see there are more things comming than only a server start.
    Server and work people cost monny.

    Its easy to say the other online games are free or low cost on pay.
    If you look to the history of the last 2 years of online games the come and go.
    Just watend to say better a stable pay to get a stable online game.
    Most online games are on 12 a 15 dollar.

    Sorry for my bad typing.
    Hope you know what I wanted to say.

    Greeting from the Netherlands

    • #203 by jessy269 on 2011.05.17 - 2:25 am


      Hi ya BUDDY!!
      BIG HUGS TO JoPe…

  83. #204 by EvenStupider on 2011.05.09 - 10:48 am

    Mr Wilson, I’m just curious about your cost estimation of: $26,595 and $53,190. Are you referring to your total costs for running the business monthly? If so, are you factoring revenue from people whom buy in-game extras(t-bux, hoods, etc), or are you relying solely on monthly subscriptions? Could you elaborate on this?

    • #205 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.09 - 10:54 am

      Those are ranges for the monthly cost to run the business.

      I have NOT factored in in-game purchases of Tbuxs, Hoods, Etc because I’m trying to be conservative in my estimates. That’s just how I roll. :-).

      P.S. There’s a rumor that we’re converting There to an agrarian economy, where you have to plant, tend, grow, and sell things to make TBucks. That’s probably just a rumor.

      P.S.S. I see our friends from YowNow are back to visit. ‘Wave!!!

  84. #206 by Anonymous on 2011.05.09 - 10:05 am


  85. #207 by xSnoopy on 2011.05.09 - 9:59 am

    Im NOT complaining, just trying to get you to the approximately $40,000 a month you said would be enough.
    “we need to hit is somewhere in between the $26,595 and $53,190”

  86. #208 by xSnoopy on 2011.05.09 - 9:55 am

    Why not have a “premium” account along with the regular one?
    A $10 a month account gets everything that the old “premium” account did.
    A $15 a month account would get the same privileges but:
    OMG, there he goes again, beating that dead horse.
    Free paintball refills or a large discount, say, 50% or more.
    A 15% discount on all items of clothing.
    A 10% discount on all vehicles and Superbunnies, etc, etc
    Perhaps a 5% discount on TBucks.
    That way, you wont be giving the store away but a lot of people would be happy. At least I would be πŸ™‚
    I probably have not thought this idea through to the end but your the money and brains behind this so tell me what is wrong with this idea?

    • #209 by SoledadNegativa on 2011.05.09 - 5:34 pm

      I totally agree that you are on target

    • #210 by dalejr388 on 2011.05.10 - 12:27 pm

      i like the free paintball idea to!!!!

  87. #211 by xxBethanyxx on 2011.05.09 - 9:51 am

    Yes i agree with Chris i do think lots of people just don’t want There to re-open and are just trying to be stupid. But unfortunately we cant stop em!
    and i would be open to paying 15 instead of 10 also. i cant go back and change my answer on the survey so just lettin you know here!

  88. #212 by majandithere on 2011.05.09 - 9:38 am

    I am so already sorting my items, setting up my assets, textures, free painter models, paperwork with loads of ideas for new developer items ….
    all having the old developer and auction opportunities in mind, only hoping to be able to get started about where we stopped (signs, environmental light etc,.) and now this:

    “In any case, I’m hoping the new Auctions options which we will be able to deploy (not right away) (Better categories, outfits, etc), along with some new ideas for Developer sales will help (I won’t talk about them just yet because they are different and worth being quiet about right now) will help.”

    WAAAAAHHH!!! What? How? Where? When?

    Someone please help. My blood pressure is going through the roof!

    • #213 by Innie on 2011.05.10 - 7:50 pm

      ‘hugs Majandi. Breathe honey…breathe! *comforts Majandi*

  89. #214 by NoBioN on 2011.05.09 - 9:35 am

    I kinda expected more had voted after the mailing. Just hoping its enough πŸ™‚

  90. #215 by Chris on 2011.05.09 - 9:14 am

    I think that some people are just trying to sabatoge the re-opening of There for whatever personal reasons. I don’t understand why anyone would expect a company to give their product away for free, companies are there to make money, otherwise they would be called charities. I would gladly pay and I know alot of my There friends, yes I am still in touch with alot of them, would also pay. This game has many fond memories for me, I met my husband in There in 2003 and we were married in Aug 2004 and thanks to There we have 2 beautiful little girls. Hope to hear good news soon and thank you for all you have done.

    • #216 by Michele on 2011.05.09 - 12:53 pm

      Beautiful story :O I’m soo happy for you!

  91. #217 by watchlight on 2011.05.09 - 8:35 am

    We are close to the result of the survey. 53k $ is pretty much, but let’s see what’s going to happen πŸ™‚ Bring me!

  92. #218 by SassyBeMe on 2011.05.09 - 8:18 am

    Honey you can’t compare the pay structure before to what your setting up now. Before was set up to fail if you ask me.. (no I know your not asking :D) 4.99$ I think it was per month, with whatever t’s allowance that came with that. (remember it wasn’t much) OR almost 10$ a year with no ‘ts. Pogo charges more then that a year. They offer how much less then THERE did? You didn’t have therebuck sales all in house. And you had nothing changing in shop. At least when you were growing sponsors you were gaining new stuff in shop. If I recall, not a lot was moving in the developer program back then. Not a lot of new coming from there either. Back then, it just seemed like you were happy just coasting along. If some thing don’t work two years ago.. who says it wont work two years later? Change it up. Re word your pitch. Change the color of your ball. Put a different pattern on the cups. Bigger sign in front of your table. Make me want to spend my money. Kicking your feet in the dirt…. “well we tried it before and failed” whoopy big dang do………ask why

    btw… you can’t ban game cards can you? :/ just saying

    • #219 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.09 - 8:31 am

      ” And you had nothing changing in shop. At least when you were growing sponsors you were gaining new stuff in shop. If I recall, not a lot was moving in the developer program back then. Not a lot of new coming from there either. Back then, it just seemed like you were happy just coasting along”

      I”m not sure when we appeared to be “coasting” but I can’t remember that being true when I was there.

      It’s true that sponsors brought more items to the shop – that was one of the reasons we recruited them. Beyond that, it didn’t seem like it made sense for us to contract the development of items to put in the shop, when Developers could do the same thing and make money off it. Do you really want There to compete with it’s developers in the Shop?

      In any case, I’m hoping the new Auctions options which we will be able to deploy (not right away) (Better categories, outfits, etc), along with some new ideas for Developer sales will help (I won’t talk about them just yet because they are different and worth being quiet about right now) will help.

      • #220 by SassyBeMe on 2011.05.09 - 8:56 am

        Awe I think you missed my point. Sorry if I am not being clear. Most worlds do have shop items refreshed. Once in a while new chairs, new tables, new shirt models. Offered at cheaper cost for members. I don’t see that as competing, I see that as offering more variety for members to choose from. I thought sponsors helped a great deal with that. As well as added income for THERE. I still bought from shop as well as designers. I bet I wasn’t the only one. As well as the only one bored with shop items before. (years ago) πŸ™‚

        When I started, it was slightly before the fees began. So wasn’t a big deal for us to except fees. During that time our impression of the place was that it was coasting. Not much new or fixes happening due to lack of staff. Not much of new templates in developer program. I think new hoverboats at the time little later. Lucky to have 10 pages in front auctions. I can only be honest and say how we felt back then. We still paid fees. Just not as enthused about doing so as later. As things picked up. I still feel with new changes to the set up and right approach it would work for the better with fees this time. Even though some have a hard time with change… they’ve had a year of big change (no THERE) I feel they will adjust to change.

        I haven’t nagged one bit about auctions or developer sales… I can wait. πŸ™‚ I only nagged a little about growth.

      • #221 by Alexandria3178 on 2011.05.11 - 7:52 am

        I know that you said that after a few days your stuff would return to your account, I am sure this would include t’s.

        I cannot say that I was a major developer, but I had some things. Would I still have those to sell in auction, or would I have to resubmit everything?

      • #222 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.11 - 8:31 am

        Yes, you would have them.

  93. #223 by Skyefire on 2011.05.09 - 7:51 am

    I continue to be surprised that people who would never pay anything ever, not only not monthly, but also no micro-charges, think their opinion matters to someone selling a service. I know that’s a run-on sentence, I’m not fixing it. I do see it all the time though, a sense of entitlement as though one has a right to play an MMO or it shouldn’t exist. I’m not sure there’s anything you can say to explain why that’s a silly concept.

  94. #224 by Lexi AKA Macklinn on 2011.05.09 - 7:41 am

    Mr wilson, Allot of people would not sign up for assuming its nto free. I was always a newbie, Please let atleast some people get through for free!

    • #225 by Tomixcomics on 2011.05.09 - 9:08 am

      And how do you suggest it is decided which people get in for free? It wouldbt exactly be fair to those of us that are going to pay that some people randomly get free memberships.

      He said that a form of basic membership MIGHT be considered sometime in the future but for now its not planned

      • #226 by plainhavoc on 2011.05.11 - 2:11 am

        Another option on the “free members” could be “forced hosting” of events. If someone wanted to join, but did not have the money, their avatar could be “forced in” to logging into a fun area as a host without the option to leave it. A donation box – like setup could be placed next to the area to “set this avie free” for a certain amount of time. If their service was commendable and fun, people would donate, allowing the next log in after the event to count down time in comparison to the amount of tbux donated. This means every event would have a host, and those “workers” will help pay membership by service instead of income. This would save actual makena employees the time necessary for other aspects of their job. Or could mean hiring fewer employees, further saving cost of overhead.

      • #227 by jimony on 2011.05.11 - 5:21 am

        I like Plainhavoc’s idea for ‘set this avie’ free, not for free noobs but for existing members who wish to provide a service to others and they get support back according to the service they provide. The donation system already existed to a certain extent with the donation boxes but they rarely, if ever, worked to the point of paying for the cost of the donation box itself.
        Donation boxes should be free or nearly free and with the monthly cost, people should support event hosts more financially with them. It was very rare that there was any charge for any events. I am sure many people, myself included, hosted purely for their own enjoyment, but now it will mean more to support the service provided by event hosts.

      • #228 by Tomixcomics on 2011.05.11 - 10:07 am

        The “set this avie free” thing would:
        A) make the game a throughly unpleasant experience for the hundreds of free members online at any given point in time considering very few of them would probably ever be set free. Leaving dozens trapped for ages waiting for someone to come along until they get frustrated and log out.
        B) require an absurd amount of zones for even hosting
        C) create many many events solely consisting of an avie saying “PLZ SET ME FREE PLZ PLZ PLZ” at worst, and creating boring events with nothing substantial in them at best, seeing as the best events require construction of some sort (unless its a paintball event)

        As for the tip jar – I know I’m not an example, but my tip jar paid for itself the very first day I got it. However, I do feel that the price is a little high as not everyone hosts events as regularly as me, nr do they open themby announcing “PLEASE TIP THE JAR!!!”. But I thnk this is getting into semantics of what hould happen IF there reopens, rather than will it open or how to support it.

  95. #229 by Tomixcomics on 2011.05.09 - 7:32 am

    The waiting and not knowing when the final results will be counted cleaned and considered is killing me 0_0 I must be checking this blog at least twice a day. I am so anxious to see if this comes through!

    And what’s a fudge factor?

    • #230 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.09 - 7:33 am

      It assumes 50% of the respondents really wouldn’t pay.

      • #231 by Michelle on 2011.05.09 - 7:50 am

        Hey Michael, have you ever considered that even if There ‘did’ come back with the whole monthly fee; the 50%-fudge-factor is much worse than you think?
        I mean; Not everyone would come back to there on the first month, maybe not even on the second, so the monthly revenue could be extremely low till the point that you might have to pray that over a few months, your monthly revenue would reach the number that you expected to make, but till then the game might end up closing- again.

        Just a paranoid thought, that’s all. It’s not like I expect the game to come back >< Not on this try at least…

      • #232 by Secrets of Vonira on 2011.05.09 - 2:58 pm

        Therebuck purchases will cover it. Lets get this going. πŸ˜‰

      • #233 by SoledadNegativa on 2011.05.09 - 5:21 pm

        I would send payment tonite if it meant I could start enjoying the game again, and I am willing to bet two other subscriptions that as soon as other heard THERE is back , the price would not be an issue anymore.

      • #234 by Colten on 2011.05.10 - 6:44 pm

        Hey, Michelle…be a little more positive. Yes, you should expect and hope THERE reopens, chances are still pretty good.

      • #235 by Alexandria3178 on 2011.05.11 - 7:45 am

        Why are you basing this only on those who responded? I am sure that there are others who are not as passionate, about there, as people like me. Many of these people will not respond one way or another, but will still join and pay. One of my R/L friends never got an e-mail and could not get the survey to load for him, but he wants to come back to there. He is uncounted by the survey.

        Personally I believe that rougly at least 80% of those who responded positivly would be paying within the first month.

      • #236 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.11 - 8:31 am

        “Why are you basing this only on those who responded?”

        Because I can’t read the minds of those who haven’t?

  96. #237 by David on 2011.05.09 - 7:26 am


    • #238 by Angel_Eyes on 2011.05.14 - 7:28 am


  97. #239 by Sagitta on 2011.05.09 - 7:25 am

    You are surprised at the comments from people who β€œWant There to be free just like it was before”? I don’t understand what is so supricing about it. I will be really supriced when you will make people pay more for the same crappy “There” like it was before when many of them didn’t even want to pay once for life before. If you want people to pay, make “There” better place.

    • #240 by Michael Wilson on 2011.05.09 - 7:27 am

      So I take it that’s “Would pay $60/month” vote from you? Thanks!

      • #241 by Bumpin42 on 2011.05.19 - 8:25 am

        I voted $60 a month Just because i wanted to be with my friends and team ( Snipers ) plus i have alot of money in and to much stuff to loose lol and i know theres alot more people who have ahell of alot more in the game then me so $60 was fine with me,but iam glad its $10 because i will be paying for 2 maybe 3 avi`s. Thx again for the reopening of Mw and staff. : )

    • #242 by NathanAvis on 2011.05.09 - 7:31 am

      Hey Sagitta how many of those near 5000 negative votes for subscription fees are yours :p

      • #243 by Sagitta on 2011.05.09 - 7:37 am

        I voted for one time for ever payment Nathan but if There would be upgraded into something better than it was before i could pay monthly fee.

      • #244 by Angel_Eyes on 2011.05.14 - 7:27 am

        i hearn the comment say many people didnt want to pay 10.00 for lifetime membership .. uh huh right thats why there is so much feedback that people are willing to pay 10 – 15 a month to come back into There ….

  98. #245 by Brido on 2011.05.09 - 7:17 am

    Great News Mr. Wilson… Delighted to hear an update Thank you! I’ll be waiting patiently for the news of home πŸ™‚

    I do think $15 would be better than $10.. Like you said the game cannot longer be free. If we all care about and our friends who are part of it then we should be making the effort to help out ! Thank you πŸ™‚

    • #246 by Skyefire on 2011.05.09 - 12:21 pm

      $15 a month does look better by those numbers at first glance. However, $10 a month will cause higher retention and more spending on T$. There’s a balance in there that we don’t have all the numbers to consider. Another idea might be something like $10 a month with no T$ or $15 with $5 of discounted T$.

      Or just charge $12.50 and call it good πŸ˜›

      However it goes, I hope we are all home soon.

    • #247 by SoledadNegativa on 2011.05.09 - 5:14 pm

      Following THERE’s closure there were talks of enourmous prices and lenghts people where willing to go throught in order to maintain our home open. In our case paintballers spent substantial amounts of Tbux in every day, in addition to realstate, clothing, vehicles etc. With the new rules of the world being 18+, the monetary aspect of $10.00, $15.00 or even $20.00 sounds farfetched, thats in perspective is less than the price of a music CD, a movie or even a night out in the town. If the whole reason we are not in world is because we cannot decide on a fee, then please Mr. W, resend the survey to age verified members.
      Bring There back so all our Therian brothers and sisters can finally come back to a place we can call home. ATM there is no VW out there that even comes close to our old world and that is why we should, we would and we will do whatever it takes to ensure THERE2 is a reality and not another long drawn-out project to attract ex-therians.

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