Clubs Poll

Here’s the promised poll on Clubs. This is the first time I’ve done a poll here so please be patient.

Some notes:

  • We really don’t want to just restore all the old clubs. Not only would we have the same mess we had before, we’d end up with lots of “Zombie” clubs with no real members (since they hadn’t come back to There, or will never come back.
  • Restoring a Club when it’s Leader(s) aren’t present is also problematic. We probably shouldn’t have even included that as an option.
  • We’ll do our best to figure out how to keep Club Houses tied to their Clubs. This of course means we’ll have to reserve all previously rented Club Houses for some period of time to give the Club a chance to come back.

The popularity of a given choice may not determine the outcome if we run into some horrible snag or business problem with the most popular result. We think you’d all agree with this: It it’s going to take 12 man-years to implement the Club Restoration system EveryOne Wants, it doesn’t make sense from a practical or business standpoint.

  1. #1 by HighFlier on 2011.06.23 - 4:01 pm

    In response to #228,230,236 questions
    Gets my votes for question of the day
    as I’m sitting here now planning the rest of my July/August personal expenses a little late. Of course I added 10 for There and hoping it’s not to much more or it’ll be late September/October even before I’ll subscribe. A major tight budget here for online entertainment this summer so it would be nice to have it confirmed if at all possible the price. Hopefully the fall gets better for me to pay out entertainment subscriptions otherwise I might have to just skip the offer altogether till things get better. I think it’s the subscription cost that I need to know the worst more so than the timing in my situation. They can take their time as far as I’m concerned. Walking on one dollar bills here as they say. lol justa saying. My Second Life subscription has been canceled specifically so I can budget in There if that makes anyone feel better but I doubt anyone here would care less about that hey! but I do wonder how many others will do that too. ‘hmmm Now that might make a real nice “surveydaddy” oops! I mean “opiniondady” or dagonit I meant “YANKEEDADDY” O…now be nice πŸ™‚ and faliz navidady. Personally I prefer “BlueberryWaffleDaddy” those would be yummy votepoles or polevotes. πŸ™‚

  2. #2 by MrScrooge on 2011.06.23 - 7:55 am

    I personally don’t care if any of the groups I created are saved. I can’t even remember what they were anyway, probably I Hate Christmas or something like that. Sadly, I have to celebrate Christmas this year because of a promise I made, so that club can die, too.

    I can see where others are concerned with griefers creating rival paint ball team or buggy racing team names, though.

    At the end of the day, I just want to log back into There. I want to hear all the little things, like footsteps when you walk, event notification sounds, the sounds of a There Tester sliding its way to sweet home Zephyr. That reminds me, I sure hope the Testers come back. Phill41, are you out there anywhere? Sheri72? I hope those two come back, I sure loved playing with them.

    Mr. Wilson, any word on when and how much we will have to pay? I’d like to pay for six months in advance or maybe even a year in advance while things seem to be going my way. Thanks again for caring about our opinions and input.

  3. #3 by jerzeesweetheart on 2011.06.23 - 6:15 am

    I’m just happy there is coming back, clubs or no clubs….fresh start or not. I’m so excited πŸ™‚ Be grateful for what we have and quit fighting!

  4. #4 by Barney S. on 2011.06.23 - 12:45 am

    I hope CC Metro and all related sponsor items like the Scion cars etc stay the same when There opens. I also hope i didnt ask something thats been answered before, lol.

    • #5 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.23 - 7:39 am

      Because There was closed down, Sponsorships were terminated. Why would a sponsor pay money to something that is inactive?

  5. #6 by Mr_Perry on 2011.06.22 - 9:42 pm

    Good Grief, I have an idea.that might just work
    why not contact the club leaders (in much the same way you contacted everyone
    about the poll to decide whether or not to re-open)
    find out which ones are planning on returning,
    the ones that definitly are: keep those clubs
    the ones that are definitly are not: if there are more than x number of members, the leader can nominate a replacement leader
    or the members can elect a new leader
    less than x number of of members delete
    well established clubs with large memberships should of course be kept.

    but botttom line, as long as There .com opens again, I really am not that concerned.
    ya’ll have a ton of stuff to do, I am just grateful that There is opening again.
    and wont ask for anything more than that.
    I have tried almost every VR out there since our world closed. couldnt find anything even close
    and had just given up completly.
    God Bless you Micheal Wilson & staff

    • #7 by JasonMK on 2011.06.23 - 6:42 am

      Well said, I’m just glad that There plans on opening its doors again. I appreciate and respect soliciting our feedback, but at the end of the day I just want to hear that welcome login sound again (and not just as a ringtone on my phone).

  6. #8 by Dave on 2011.06.22 - 8:43 pm

    So MR Wilson , Whats the word on there IM still shooting for the in of the month?

  7. #9 by That Guy on 2011.06.22 - 8:37 pm

    @Roberta, GTFO. #stupidpeople

  8. #10 by RRTT on 2011.06.22 - 7:25 pm

    Mike, is there any accuracy in saying that we’re about a week from seeing There IM ?

  9. #11 by Roberta on 2011.06.22 - 4:06 pm

    Not playing (which means not paying for) There after relaunch unless the company decides on option 3.

    • #12 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.22 - 7:00 pm


      • #13 by Eatings, Sputters, Pneumonia, ect. on 2011.06.22 - 9:36 pm

        Michael, Just think… If this random person is thinking that, then how many others are? Something to take into concideration.
        Roberta, is for entertainment. If you choose not to play, because one of your silly groups are not given back to you… It’s your loss. You probably don’t spend much on game anyway.

        EVERYONE ELSE, Incase you can’t tell, Michael Wilson is probably getting aggitated by all of the stubborness we’re outputting. If you truely loved so much… you’d be happy just to have it back. Who needs groups anyway. “Oh look at me, I’m in a group that a lot of people know!” Nice to know you’re a bunch of followers. Be a leader, make your own group. Be independant.

        Whatever it takes, Just get open sooner.
        Thank you Michael Wilson, for all your hard work you’re putting into OTHER PEOPLE’S entertainment. I truely mean that.(:

      • #14 by B2M2 on 2011.06.22 - 9:38 pm

        I do agree with Roberta though that option three is best, but I would still play – it just wouldn’t be as enjoyable.

      • #15 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.06.23 - 5:35 am

        Perhaps its a good thing that some don’t come back. Folks who are put off by the smallest things likely would only be unhappy – or worse cause others to be unhappy with negativity. I LOVE THERE and anyway it comes back, I’m thrilled!

    • #16 by jimony on 2011.06.23 - 4:54 am

      Wow! You got MW to agree to decide on option 3 by using empty threats! Amazing!
      I wonder if I threaten to not re-join unless he picks option 1 if he will change his mind?

      • #17 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.23 - 7:38 am

        That’s just rediculous. He didn’t agree. he put “OK” As a sign of getting aggitated with everyone demanding.

    • #18 by Kayleigh Lace on 2011.06.23 - 7:05 am

      It amuses me to no end how people think they have the right to dictate how this game is run. The fact that you are given input – and have for so long been asked opinions (like Town Hall meetings – MAB meetings, etc.) is rare in a gaming community. I realize this isn’t quite the same as other communities – but I think sometimes people forget they pay for the priviledge to play a game. They don’t get to hold it ‘hostage’ to do what they want or else! And over a group/club! Now if this was over a dog or an outfit…. Then maybe some outrage… (That last part was a joke for those hi-flyers who read into things.)

      • #19 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.23 - 1:22 pm

        @Kayleigh Lace: Opinions are like a-holes , everybody has one, and most of them stink to high heaven (not excluding mine). I agree with you whole heartedly: ” but I think sometimes people forget they pay for the priviledge to play a game. They don’t get to hold it β€˜hostage’ ”

        Also: All the time you played There, you paid 9.95 (one time fee) + tbux if you even bought them through There. Do you honestly think that paid any bills??? The site hasnt even opened and this blog is just full of demands. My tune would be so different if we had paid before but we didnt. I feel like we had a free ride all those years and obviously it is what closed the site.
        Ty Yankeeinthesouth for that last quote

    • #20 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.06.23 - 9:00 am

      omg, threats?? I like MW’s answer. You sound like under 18 anyway. Under 8….

  10. #21 by Rick Reynolds on 2011.06.22 - 2:52 pm

    I am happy with There re-opening. Ein welt! Ein klub!

  11. #22 by HighFlier on 2011.06.22 - 8:09 am

    So almost 200 comments, and 800 votes this survey clearly shows 2’s,3’s and 4’s as a group over 65% clearly the winners of the survey. That’s!!! right if you silly 1’s really took time to figure out the survey you’d figure out that 2,3 and 4 are all inner related. You were all dooped and lassoed into one big category. HAHA! Smart of the survey maker wither he admits it or not but you can’t fool all the therians all the time. I think it’s clear this survey can be called by those who want the clubs returned under the rightful owners. Might as well strike the 1’s off the record. Shall we do another survey with 1 omitted? Ha! now that would be interesting.

    It’s time for all 2’s,3’s and 4’s to celebrate as it’s clear that we have all WON!!! together. ‘YAY You 1’s need to be reprocessed. Face the truth 1’s you’ v l_o_s_t. Your desire to destroy all the clubs and history has been well noted by all the 2’s,3’s and 4’s. Whoa!! backs off from all the sling shots pointed at me from the 1’s and runs the other way. help!!!

    OH NO,
    You switcheroos, being the people who publicly changed your vote from 2,3 or 4 to 1 are not invited to the party either so stop trying to sneak in the back door. You’ll need to go through reprocessing too. Sorry 1’s your not invited to the party you have lost this survey so just move on along here>

    Now on to the winners: Weeeee! get ready to swing your partners round and round. All 2’s,3’s.and 4’s this way> Don’t forget your comphy bunny slippers & blue cocktails it’s time to shake-dat-leg and show those 1’s where the sun shines. Step right on up>

    2’s, 3’s and 4’s We WON!! ‘YAY let’s get this revival geared up folks!!!
    Oh and BTW, (Se/ems logical) to me too. πŸ™‚

    Parents Site Tip: I’ve been using and it’s goooood and free.

    • #23 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.06.22 - 9:15 am

      How pleasant, High. I didn’t realize there were winners and losers; I had the idea that Mr. Wilson was interested in our opinions.

    • #24 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.22 - 9:26 am

      Was the survey a contest? I believe the whole survey was MW just getting our opinion on clubs, the final decision is MW’s. I stand by voting 1 and will, not for the motive your stating though. Am I worried on the history of There or am I worried on There staying open?? In my opinion if he had to wipe out the entire world and start over then I say,then so be it. Losing clubs seemed like little to ask for seeing how much he’s already had to pay for people like you/me to be on his site. I think its quite sad MW request our opinion’s and even stupider and now you feel the need to belittle those that dont agree with you. With this said, Mr. Highflier, my name is YANKEEINTHESOUTH make sure you spell it correctly when you place your little note on me. Anyone else want to judge??

      • #25 by Lindsey on 2011.06.22 - 3:59 pm

        Why do you talk about “MW” like youre sucking up to him. You make it sound like it he should do whatever he wants. Well actually, it should be what WE want. Because its OUR money that were paying HIM. so stop sucking up, jesus christ. And I voted #3.

      • #26 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.23 - 1:56 am

        Unreal…. All the time you played There, you paid 9.95 (one time fee) + tbux if you even bought them through There. Do you honestly think that paid any bills??? The site hasnt even opened and this blog is just full of demands. My tune would be so different if we had paid before but we didnt. I feel like we had a free ride all those years and obviously it is what closed the site. MW is giving it another shot and has said “IF” There stays open, meaning he has to make enough to run it to keep it open. So you feel entitled to put on demands that may cost because your eventually going to pay monthly and it hasnt even opened yet?!?!!?! You would think this past year with There closed people wouldnt want it to happen again. Lesson learned???? I see nothing wrong with taking things slow and less demanding until gets on its feet. My concern is MW’s pocket for all this, not him! haha Trust me if I wanted to suck up to MW, I would of surrounded him as soon as he appeared in Cosmo or where ever he would go like alot did. Instead I’m one of those that would find enjoyment paintballing him. Cant take out the paintball gun in Cosmo, maybe I should demand that?!?! All the times I’v ever seen him, I have not once walked up to him or spoken to him. My post had nothing to do with kissing up to MW, I’v only showed concern of the demands your putting on the site that may close it down again… So, if thats what you read into it, then knock yourself…..

      • #27 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.06.23 - 4:10 am

        Don’t let it get to you Miss Yankeeinthesouth. I agree a clean slate would be fine. Being cooperative and reasonable is not “sucking up”. Like you I want back and feel the operators have the insight to know what they can and cannot do cost effectively. It’s pretty nice they even bother to poll our input. Let’s let them do their work and indeed “do whatever they want” – since they have paid for our play (with money from their own pockets) over the past years – not profited from it.

      • #28 by jimony on 2011.06.23 - 4:38 am

        MW can very well do exactly what he wants. It is his to do what he wants to with.
        Thankfully, what he wants is to re-open There and to do it with as much input from us as to our likes and dislikes. I totally agree with YANKEEINTHESOUTH (that was the way you wanted it spelled, right Yanks? (Oops, sorry, YANKEEINTHESOUTH?))
        I would be happy if he opened it even if it was completely fresh, no existing avies, no existing inventory. It isn’t my first wish, but at least There would be open again. We should all be greatful to MW for trying to make as many of us as happy as possible.

      • #29 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.23 - 5:57 am

        Thank you both for that! I was starting to think there was nobody left out there for Almost started banging my head on my laptop. lol Your right though Marianne, I’m backing off this soapbox, not worth it and to dang slippery for me, haha! Yank, yanks, Yits..doesnt matter to me. The full name was for his “There notes” I wanted to make sure I was on it! lol Anyways, had to say thanks! πŸ™‚ ((Walking away, waiting for the world to open)) ‘tu

    • #30 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.22 - 10:08 am

      Is it ok if some of us wear nothing more than Super Bunnies and a paint ball gun?
      Perhaps a few bits of clothing would be in order for some of us huh?

    • #31 by Jane Meyers on 2011.06.22 - 12:35 pm


    • #32 by Eatings, Sputters, Pneumonia, ect. on 2011.06.22 - 1:05 pm

      Excuse me mate, Please read this. “The popularity of a given choice may not determine the outcome if we run into some horrible snag or business problem with the most popular result. We think you’d all agree with this: It it’s going to take 12 man-years to implement the Club Restoration system EveryOne Wants, it doesn’t make sense from a practical or business standpoint.”

      Maybe read the whole poll, before critisizing.


      • #33 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.22 - 3:46 pm

        I voted for blueberry waffles…I have no idea what all you people are talking about! πŸ˜›

    • #34 by Orielle Thereian on 2011.06.22 - 2:13 pm

      Wow, just um wow… It’s not a vote, it’s a POLL to get our opinions, to see how the community feels about how to handle the possible restoration of groups. I knew the first and third choices would be the most popular because a lot of people just want There back and don’t mind a few inconveniences for themselves if it will cause fewer issues for staff as they reopen the world and migrate our avies. He did say, “The popularity of a given choice may not determine the outcome if we run into some horrible snag or business problem with the most popular result.” Just because one choice ends up being the most popular doesn’t mean it’ll end up being the one used. What if they hit a major snag in trying to restore groups and might have to scrap the idea? At least with this survey they know how the members feel and can see a good portion would understand if we have to start fresh with our groups.

      • #35 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.22 - 7:01 pm

        Exactly! That’s why it’s called “PollDaddy”, and not “VoteDaddy”, or “DemandDaddy”, or “ObeyDaddy”. πŸ™‚

    • #36 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.22 - 4:13 pm

      Lets look at the same vote from a different perspective πŸ™‚

      1. Don’t shoot your foot (and eat wholesome blueberry waffles with lots of butter and tasty syrup)

      2. Shoot your foot and stab it (no medical help)

      3.Wait to shoot your foot till your at the hospital

      4. Shoot your foot and stab it at the hospital

      Even though 2,3, and 4 all sound the same 1 is the least painfull, and between the three left over some are less painfull than others… Hence, why the choices was placed in the poll to begin with.

      • #37 by mimi06 on 2011.06.23 - 2:45 am

        @Seg, your explanation makes more sense to me.. rofl.. Peeking in, WOW am I the only one that ONLY cares about logging in and playing THERE? I loved all the clubs that were ligitimate and fun, BUT I can do without as well. Ori is right we’re not voting we’re giving our opinions, be thankful for that. Where that bunch that said “I would give or do anything to have OUR world back?” whys it appear now we have that chance most end up arguing about every little thing. We could very well, be sitting and still talking about what once was, instead of what will be.. Anyways, taking my waffels, butter, and syrup back to my CORNER………….(miss you all, clubs or no we’re going home) πŸ™‚

      • #38 by Hoverbiker on 2011.06.23 - 6:51 am

        “. . . taking my waffels, butter, and syrup back to my CORNER”

        Zooms over to Mimi’s CORNER and swipes some of her waffles, quickly zooms away yelling MIMI MIMI MIMI . . . . . . . . . . .

      • #39 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.23 - 8:25 am

        They are all really tough decisions. You can still get a belly ache from the waffles :p . If some misunderstand what I meant I. The poll metaphor, it was looking through the eyes of the developers instead of the community. I really think the community should be empathetic to their delima as well. I think you understood pretty well mimi06.

        I’m pretty torn myself…

        I’m just keeping in mind: all good things come to those who wait!

  12. #40 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.22 - 6:49 am

    Snoopy you said,”My response, that you have commented on twice, was directed at Salty.” Salty was commenting to Me, that is what the @ Bumpin means. So, you sort of invited me in. Anyways, You can’t bait Salty into an Argument. As far as I know she probably has you on Iggy for life and I can see why. When you say, “This is NOT the place to air Snipers dirty laundry. Let’s finish this chat in There.” Its not Snipers durty laundry, Its YOUR durty laundry. Seems you want to open the laundry bag and air it out here. anyways, don’t this have to do with the Alex Artic zone? How you wanted things done oneway and we all VOTED and you didnt get your way? So, you got all hostile on us, No one could deal with you. I thought you wanted a fresh start. which is it? Will the real Snoopy please stand up!

    • #41 by Summers on 2011.06.22 - 9:21 am

      is durty a word?

    • #42 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.22 - 10:03 am

      A fresh start? Yes I did and Yes I do!
      Like another individual whose name you have mentioned, it would be nice to start fresh if that was possible but based on previous comments by several people, I see very little hope for that happening.
      Correct me if I am wrong.
      I have known all the original Snipers for a number of years and if I wanted to push your buttons, I know enough about all of you personally to probably do a good job. You guys are in the same position with my personal life also. I did not push them, nor do I want to. I would prefer to leave this issue as a dead one.
      As far as putting it behind us and having anything but a hostile/ignore relationship, I would be amazed it that ever happened.
      You want a challenge Bumpin, PROVE ME WRONG!

      • #43 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.23 - 10:22 am

        OMG Bumpin, are you blind?
        You have NO clue what I was saying, do you?
        You said:
        “I thought you wanted a fresh start.”
        I answered:
        “A fresh start? Yes I did and Yes I do!”
        Which part of that don’t you understand?
        I said:
        “You want a challenge Bumpin, PROVE ME WRONG!”
        I think you are incapable of putting all this crap behind us and moving on.
        I’m not sure I can either but we will NEVER know unless at least one of us is willing to try.
        I am willing to try … will the real Bumpin please stand up.
        Ball is in your court Bump ..
        If you want to discuss this in a different venue, Go to Yahoo Messenger and my name there is xKen2007

    • #44 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.23 - 5:16 am

      Snoop theres NOTHING you can say about me that people dont allready know, So say all you want about me, Push my buttons, I have nothing to hide!! How about you? But we know that answer, Right? And yes you will be on my all my avi`s iggy. This way when we get in game you can talk all the B.S you want about me, I know you will its in your blood.

  13. #45 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.06.22 - 4:31 am

    Even with a good sized club, I don’t care if I get it back. Seems clubs will be populated with so many invalid members as ppl <18 will not be allowed back and others just wont be back… not to mention the alternate avies set up just to grief. Doesn't it really make sense to let the system start with real, fresh verified data and real ppl (with real email addresses)? And how are "rankings" valid anymore, if many or most "rankers" are missing? Doesn't seem fair to new ppl coming in. Lets establish new rankings with current player. I do like the idea of reclaiming club or team names by the leader if it's not a hassle, but if it is, I vote to start FRESH. After all, Life Changes and its a good thing.

  14. #46 by martin71 on 2011.06.22 - 12:24 am

    oooooooo not long now guy`s lol im happy what eva out come is hope to see you all soon

  15. #47 by ant1977 on 2011.06.21 - 8:34 pm

    Back-up all clubs and then start over fresh, after There is up and running smoothly then allow members to create their clubs again. If someone creates a club/team that was previously held by someone else, the moderation team could easily verify the complaint and suspend the violator. After There’s been back up for 6 months, destroy the back-up files and if someone re-creates a club/team that wasn’t revived during that 6 month grace period then they legally hold the rights and free from persecution. If after that grace period, the first owner would then have to start over with a new name and rebuild it like before.

    Unfortunately some of the clubs won’t be able to be re-opened since their owner/creator has since passed on and for this I’d hope that with co-operation from Makena and it’s members who provide proof can re-establish these as legacy groups. Only staff of Makena can could then change permissions and or moderate inside that club.

  16. #48 by Tollermike on 2011.06.21 - 4:55 pm

    Clubs take up resources. I’m for restore the club when the leader joins. Its really up to the leader to restore the Club back to its former status.

  17. #49 by jimony on 2011.06.21 - 1:43 pm

    To reiterate or clarify my suggestion:
    I would like option Number One with one small difference: Start fresh with no existing clubs running but reserve all existing club names so only the previous leader can start a new club with those names.

    • #50 by Eatings, Sputters, Pneumonia, ect. on 2011.06.22 - 1:01 pm

      That’s what choice #3 is…

      • #51 by jimony on 2011.06.23 - 4:50 am

        Read it again, #3 automatically restores clubs, although empty of members, whenever the previous leader re-registers. Even if that leader had fifty defunct clubs started, they would be restored. I would like the leader to have to request his club back so that only the clubs they really want are restored. That might cut down on a large percentage of clubs that are meaningless. I will probably start my own karaoke club fresh with a new name rather than use the same club I had.

  18. #52 by Escape on 2011.06.21 - 12:01 pm

    The fourth choice on the Club poll, the comment at the end is not complete…'(Se’ is all I see. What are you saying?

  19. #53 by erick758 on 2011.06.21 - 8:30 am

    i beleive that all team names should be reserved but the rank should startt fresh

    • #54 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.21 - 10:42 am

      Erick bro! How’ve you been? πŸ˜€

    • #55 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.21 - 1:02 pm

      Hi Erick,
      Why would you want to do that? The teams will be bloated with all the old, non active people still on the roster.
      Number 3 was the best choice as the old team captain can reclaim the team.
      As far as the individual and team standings, I agree with you.
      Lets all start fresh and see which team(s) and individual(s) can rape points the best. πŸ™‚
      Perhaps a better idea would be for all of us to agree to just have fun and not let egos get in the way of having fun.

      • #56 by erick758 on 2011.06.21 - 8:29 pm

        i know but i mean i think that the team names should be reserved and leaders can reclaim them and start fresh with a 1200 rating.
        ive been good Kev hbu?

      • #57 by Eatings, Sputters, Pneumonia, ect. on 2011.06.21 - 8:45 pm

        Pretty good. Waiting for There to open again so we can own at Paintball(:

      • #58 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.22 - 9:36 am

        If #3, from the poll is chosen, all team names will stay reserved until the team leader registers for his/her particular team.

      • #59 by NathanAvis on 2011.06.22 - 6:56 pm

        Hey, EricK. That’s a name I haven’t seen in some years πŸ™‚ thinking of making a full return when the world opens?

        xSnoopy is correct. Option #3 in the poll caters for your requests.

  20. #60 by Jane Meyers on 2011.06.21 - 4:04 am

    Hey quick question…. When was open I know that a portion of the lag was caused by huge companies like Coca-Cola, Scion, and Cosmogirl taking over. Are you going to get involved in sponsers again? I know that the products they provided were popular, but like I said, it was very laggy and I’m sure (just a guess) that it cost a lot. I was never a big fan of sponsers anyway.
    Very sorry if this has already been answered, but if not, a response would be appreciated? πŸ™‚ Thanks.

    • #61 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.21 - 6:23 am

      “When was open I know that a portion of the lag was caused by huge companies like Coca-Cola, Scion, and Cosmogirl taking over.”

      That’s completely incorrect. Where did you hear that?

      • #62 by Jane Meyers on 2011.06.21 - 10:53 am

        Cosmogirl was very, very, very laggy for me. Also, Scion was laggy on my PC as well.

      • #63 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.21 - 12:46 pm

        That’s probably a function of how powerful your PC and/or Graphics card was, and the number of people and objects in the area. Not a function of it being a sponsor.

      • #64 by Jane Meyers on 2011.06.21 - 10:55 am

        I have also heard that you had to pay Coca-cola to sponser you? I don’t know if this is correct or not. It was only something I heard

      • #65 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.21 - 12:47 pm

        Wow, that’s incorrect. Where fo people hear these things?

    • #66 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.21 - 6:39 am

      When was open, it was basically running off of funds given BY the sponsors. Without sponsors.. There couldn’t have possibly been operated. Also, the items that were in-game from sponsors were just like any other items. It just depends on your computer processing speed, and internet connection is all.

    • #67 by Jonathan on 2011.06.22 - 12:35 am

      Sorry, but it why the hell, would you pay someone to be a sponsor? That would defeat the whole object of a sponsor! ‘rolleyes

      • #68 by Jonathan on 2011.06.22 - 12:36 am

        Sorry, but why the hell**

  21. #69 by musicmom on 2011.06.21 - 3:31 am

    woot! wheres the download lmao, im soo impatient to see there up & running

    • #70 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.21 - 6:40 am

      Lol aren’t we all? It’s a great feeling to know that There MAY be returning. (:

  22. #71 by Kev on 2011.06.20 - 7:17 pm

    The third one is best…Im not returning (which means There gets less money) unless I keep the clubs that i am a leader of

    • #72 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.21 - 6:42 am

      If you were a true ‘Therian’ You would make new clubs, Just to play the game. Your mere $200 or whatever wouldn’t dent what is needed anyway. (:

      • #73 by frankprss on 2011.06.21 - 3:12 pm

        ok so if no one pays that $200, then There dies again. And I think I remember Kev paying like $600 in t’s just for one fun zone

      • #74 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.22 - 3:41 am

        Frank, you know I paid well over $3000 just for Ts for my funzone.

  23. #75 by erick758 on 2011.06.20 - 6:51 pm

    i think all groups should be erased

  24. #76 by Sassybeme There on 2011.06.20 - 6:46 pm

    My only concern is how long will you give in time to recover some names. I figure I will probably have to pay for my guys name. If not just on a slim chance he might ever want to log in. Or just to use him as a test dummy. πŸ™‚ And I really wouldn’t want any one else walking around with his name on a off chance. That would be just a bit creepy for me. See it depends on when you actually open up the world. I may not be able to pay for him and myself right away. Also depending on how much you plan on charging. Say what if you choose to open when school starts here. You been tossing around the time frame a bit.. I’m hoping a year is in your mind.
    He was also leader of our groups. So if you start fresh I can start them up for myself. If I have enough time I can transfer them to me. Just depends on which way you go with clubs, and what time frame you give us (me). πŸ™‚

  25. #77 by Vanessa on 2011.06.20 - 2:50 pm

    Cleanest. Is it really that big of a hassle to recreate a club if you want it back? I think not. Granted I can just imagine the griefers registering all the old names out of spite.

    • #78 by frankprss on 2011.06.20 - 6:40 pm

      If it was a team or well known legacy club, yes it is.

  26. #79 by jakejackson on 2011.06.20 - 1:51 pm

    I think clubs, pazs, hoods, funzones, etc… and the location thereof and anything that needs reclaiming other then your avatar should be given a time limit to be reclaimed (This is a business) before someone else be allowed to take over the club name or attempt to pilfer a land location. Starting to FRESH I feel will take away from the passion and appeal I grew to have for THERE in the first place. I can’t come home to some place I don’t even recognize anymore but, I can appreciate new plumbing. The lenght of time should be approximately what MW approves of course. People, unless you live under a rock or lack an abundance of club members you claim to have, some one will let you know that There is back in action and you can reclaim your clubs no problem. Don’t paintball me please its just an idea!

  27. #80 by Kevman95 on 2011.06.20 - 1:33 pm

    Just a note, now when i visit this site…my Protection goes off for a Trojan Worm.

    I suggest checking into all objects please!

    • #81 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.20 - 4:26 pm


      • #82 by Kevman95 on 2011.06.21 - 5:51 am

        It was appearing a trojan on a Jquery Object before, but it is not now.

    • #83 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.20 - 6:26 pm

      Ya Kev my Kaspersky Goes red and then green when i come here, But i just downloaded Explorer 9 today and thats when it started, So iam going back to Explorer 7 right now.

  28. #84 by Beta2003 on 2011.06.20 - 1:12 pm

    I didn’t think this thread was about rankings, however:

    I believe that TEAM rankings should be wiped and restarted. Wasn’t there flux in the rankings/standings process anyway (or a which for a change).

    1. Now would be the right time to redo rankings if they needed to be adjusted
    2. Rankings should be based on the active members, (so forcing the rankings to recalculate using ‘active members’ (ie: returned members) will probably cause a huge shfit in the rankings anyway, which will really annoy those that get unexpectedly lower rank, but then it will be to late to voice that opinion)
    3. Rankings were another ‘club’, so how can you resolve a club that has not relaunched yet but has a higher standing than an active club?

    Another one of those questions where every answer will upset someone. I don’t envy MW having to make the decisions. πŸ™‚

  29. #85 by Beta2003 on 2011.06.20 - 12:43 pm

    I voted for #3 thinking about it this way:
    All existing club names get reserved for X(3?) months
    All existing clubs with more than one member get reserved for X(6?) months.
    All existing clubs with clubhouses get reserved for X(3?) months after clubhouses are available in world.
    When you join, your list of clubs are presented to you and you can decide if you are still interested in each.
    If you’re not the leader of the club:
    If your not interested in this club, do nothing/remove from your list
    If you are interested, create a group ‘buddy request’
    If you’re the leader of the club:
    You can see how many people used to belong to the club and how many returned members have requested to rejoin
    If you re-accept the club ownership (changes in TOS?), create the club and add users that have pending ‘group requests’
    If you do not want to recreate the club, remove it from the reserved list and remove (or notify?) the members with pending buddy requests

    Of course one of the frustrating situations will be if the leader of a large club never(or is unable to) rejoins. It’s probably NOT safe to assume that another member of the club could/would just take over. (Politics and privacy)
    I forgot what happened if the leader of a group (can) leave the group. Even if for ‘some’ groups there is a clear line of succession and support from the group members for a new leader, it might not be the right solution for every club.

    If some process works out that another user can assume responsibility for the club, use the buddy notification system to alert about the option to rejoin the club the next time you sign in (or just send out invites to those that have the group on buddy request). Don’t auto-rejoin the club.

    How long will historic avatar accounts be held for people that don’t rejoin? Will those names ever be released? These are more issues that every answer will probably make some subset of people not happy, but if it’s consistent there might be less beefing about perceived favoritism.

    This suggestion may fall under the ’12 man years’, hopefully not since it’s trying to reuse components that we already had. (And Coolnet, your avatar should be able to get to the buddy requests screen under There2) heh

    • #86 by Beta2003 on 2011.06.20 - 1:02 pm

      I realized after posting that I was a little(?) confusing:

      All the re-joining club leader does is decide if they want to re-create the group or not. The system would do the delete club/pending requests.

      While I suggested a possible solution, I don’t now that it’s feasible to let another club member relaunch a club. Either the leader returns and passes the club forward or it becomes a land rush. That will probably most directly affect members who have customized gear (clothing/buggies) to match their club names.

  30. #87 by Sara on 2011.06.20 - 12:43 pm

    I knew the outcome would be the one that said good balance on it lol. People see that and say oh yes that is the one I want. So this wasn’t very scientific and it lead people to the answer that MW is inclined to implement anyway. I chose the last one with a low percentage rate. I thought why not automatically put people back in their clubs. All the club owners would have to be the first ones in for that to work well so I shouldn’t have chose that one. But if it was a 30 minute addition to the madness then I thought do it. To be honest I should have put the first one. Start fresh. If it is cheaper then do it. All people have to do is go start a club or group. That shouldn’t be too tough for them If they can’t handle that then stay out of the avatar kitchen!! Go twiddle your thumbs with Zynga

    • #88 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 2:20 pm

      People (including myself) love to make the simple; complex. I like how you explain how you came to your conclusion…then rethought it all over again! All the options have their benefits and downfalls, I would be lying if I said I wase’nt bias to one over the other. I do however think that some are over-reacting, but then again, who does’nt when they are passionate about their cause?

  31. #89 by Escape on 2011.06.20 - 12:09 pm

    I am wondering how many people actually had a ClubHouse “tied” to their Club? Also, Percy in an earlier post used the term “Group” instead of “Club”. Way back Clubs was Clubs and the term was eventually changed to Groups, now we are calling ’em Clubs again (I always preferred Clubs over Groups)!

    Remembering back to the day when a severe housing shortage existed, the only way to transfer a deed was for the seller to let it go and the new owner needed to grab the place quickly before anyone else did. Someone grabbed my clubhouse before I could and lucky for me a Helper was able to rectify the sitiuation.

    There was hundreds of active members in my Club. I would periodically give away tbucks and the one’s who did not sign up for There (pay the one time fee) was removed.

    Some of us have long history with Clubs and I would like to see them reinstated just like it (they) was before. So what do we do?

    • #90 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.20 - 1:15 pm

      They can’t be “just like they were before” because the members won’t be There. We can restore a club, but we can’t fill it up with members who don’t exist yet.

    • #91 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 1:34 pm

      That reminds me of the 1st house I bought in There!!! I thought the guy was trying to rip me off at first until I talked to some trusted members and they assured me he was not.

  32. #92 by Sam Landymore on 2011.06.20 - 11:37 am

    I think There2 should start all over again with clubs. It’s the “cleanest” way to do it.
    Another thing that comes to mind when thinking of There is not griefing, but drama. Restoring clubs, even club names, is just a reminder of the cliquishness that was endemic in There.
    Folks have explored different online worlds and old disagreements are moot and forgotten. Old enemies are now friends. I think There2 should reflect that and give folks a fresh start.
    I’m all for anything that allows There2 to start off with cleaner code and allows members to come in with a fresh start.

  33. #93 by mimi06 on 2011.06.20 - 11:29 am

    post number 95 isn’t me πŸ˜‰ just saying lol.. anyways, rather to get into what seems a very hot topic.. I’ll just read an wait .. ( yes, I voted)

  34. #94 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.20 - 11:24 am

    I forgot the guys name but i hope the 4×4 track reopens it was badass and i went everyday.

    • #95 by HoverboatPilot on 2011.06.20 - 8:40 pm

      If you’re talking about Gman65’s Bamboo Crater track, yes.. it was awesome! Here’s the website for it if you want to see some of the old track records.. slick rock 2, woot!

      • #96 by Jinxed_Karma on 2011.06.21 - 6:04 pm

        I have to assume Bumpin is talking about Gman65’s track as well. I couldn’t agree more! 70IamLeon recorded a bunch and put them on youtube. For one…
        Can’t wait to be able to go there again!

      • #97 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.22 - 4:39 pm

        Oh yeah, Gman65 place was great! The tracks were so challenging and fun!

  35. #98 by HighFlier on 2011.06.20 - 11:15 am

    i vted 4

    Slips this into the>
    Another hot topic would be paz guidelines or the real estate guidelines if it happens to come up before ThereIM. Curious if they’ll remain the same with no helpers:?: Yikes!

    Now backs away very slowly and quietly as to not upset it.

    • #99 by Innie on 2011.06.21 - 5:10 am

      I remember a There world before paz’s. I preferred that world. Not cluttered full of bizarre designs, ruining the rest of the scenery. I would rather there just be small paz’s to drop and use for 4-6 hrs, and neighborhoods. Or, if there were paz’s, not let them be used around any of the big landmarks and zones. They create lag where there should be none, as well.

      However, that is just my opinion. I have stated it many times in the past. I know it will bring drama, eh……oh well.

      • #100 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.06.21 - 11:22 am

        Drama or no, I agree with you, Innie, but I think we’ll just have to live with it. Heck, anything to get There back πŸ™‚

      • #101 by NathanAvis on 2011.06.22 - 7:08 pm

        If I couldn’t drop in the previous hotspots, I would just go wherever else becomes the new hotspot. It’s the nature of paz real estaters. Whatever their guidelines are in the future I will respect them, and if I can’t drop in Duda, Pop, Island, Zephyr, Space so be it.

        What worries me is the real estate guidelines and case-by-case moderation that got increasingly complex due to much competing for territory, and petty feuds with “false flag” reporting between folks that had nothing better to do than make enemies to overcome, rather than friends to appease. If the old guidelines come back into place it’s gonna be one hellova show..I think it should head the way of the “wild west”. Just drop where you can and dont block the official paths, and dont deliberately offend people with your objects.

  36. #102 by JasonMK on 2011.06.20 - 9:38 am

    Just my two cents, as a beta tester since July 2003, life-time member, club leader & club member…I’m not looking to There2 to be a “fresh start” or something new. I believe, like many of you, that you want to be back “in There” because of the memories you had in There. I know option #2 is the “messiest” and the least popular, but wouldn’t that be as close to what There was the day the lights went out? I’m just saying, why not save the work or hassle of doing anything with the data. If you are in a phantom group, drop out. If you have zombie members, kick them out (they’ll never know). Implement a policy down the road that 12 months of inactivity gets your group removed (or whatever time or term). Seems to be the easiest way to get the doors opened again and avoid the real issues of having someone snag a group name (intentionally or not) that someone else spent time developing and growing.

    Again, just my 2 cents which trades for less than a penny these days.

    • #103 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.20 - 10:17 am

      Implement a policy down the road that 12 months of inactivity gets your group removed (or whatever time or term). << Good idea

      • #104 by MmeOdileS on 2011.06.20 - 6:09 pm

        That’s a wonderful idea..I had joined groups only to find out they were inactive…but I didnt know that until I found no activity for like a month, two months..etc etc etc…I would say a button that says..’last logged into THERE’…with the group leader…Then if the member did not log into THERE for the certain amount of time allotted…removal or give a member the option to own the group or club…

      • #105 by JasonMK on 2011.06.21 - 4:09 am

        Seems simple enough:)

  37. #106 by Cassi on 2011.06.20 - 8:32 am

    I look at it this way…

    A lot of people want There to start fresh with NO clubs, so that people can create new clubs, get new faces, etc.

    BUT for those of us who were in a lot of ACTIVE clubs, it will be very difficult to hunt down people without the clubs, to organise events, and to INVITE to events, without these clubs. With club renewal by owner, and people being added BACK into the club when they rejoin There, it allows people to send invites out, without spamming random people. It also will help for those of us who kept our friends lists small, but used clubs to find out if people were online, in the same token, it will let us know who has re-signed up to There.

    Just a few things to think about πŸ™‚

    • #107 by ARTIE on 2011.06.20 - 12:11 pm

      No matter what system eventually gets created, we can always invent new clubs … or kill the old one we no longer need. I liked the idea of clubs, because it enabled us to invite people to the games we invented. But I suppose if having clubs keeps THERE from re-opening, then I would choose for THERE to reopen without the clubs, because creative minds can always figure out new ways to invite people to the social events that we create.

      Perhaps it could even be done in new ways, like the way Yahoo does Yahoo groups, or how Facebook uses groups. Heck if it causes too much coding problems, then I would rather have there without the groups and just use those other apps. But I bet it would help the business model to have groups in some way built into the system, just so we do have to leave the system to communicate.

  38. #108 by mimi on 2011.06.20 - 8:29 am

    There is a social game, and clubs are a huge part of being social. So if you were to pick option 1, then you don’t understand how There works. Also, some groups and clubs are the only reason some people went on the game, and without them might not return (like me). And boyyyy oh boy did I spend a lot of money on There. PB Fun Zone..hoods..etccc. Option 3 is the best choice.

    • #109 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.06.20 - 12:44 pm

      You can start the club again….if it was that serious, it won’t be any problem, precisely BECAUSE There is a social place. And I understand very well how There works; it’s not a GAME.

  39. #111 by Okalnix on 2011.06.20 - 7:18 am

    number 3 leader restore by actief avie ,no members.
    So you have you club back and you can build from there.
    Some people have inportant club by name and the leader have that right to get it back.
    Not just some player

    Thank for the video SaltySilver good job there.

  40. #112 by martin71 on 2011.06.20 - 7:06 am

    i think we should start from fresh as the old is history and clubs now look in to the future with and the new members that will join it wont take us long to setup again as for MW it would take longer to set them all for us no afence MW u have more work to worry about than the clubs ..

    sorry guys but it would be easy for us to start again


  41. #113 by That Guy on 2011.06.20 - 6:53 am

    I agree mostly with EvenStupider in the light of the PAZ spots and I will back up WildBilly 100% because that guy is one of my favorite people on the face of the planet. He used to give 1,000 Tbux away like it was nothing to little kids that didn’t have any money to play paintball! Anyway, that’s beside the point. I’m torn between the option to start new on clubs ratings and player ratings as far as paintball, buggying, hoverboarding, etc. Half of the teams on the top 10 list were created in the past year, did absolutely nothing, and paintballed the most horrible people in the game to get to the top. If you are a paintballer that just joined in the past year of the game being open you have no idea how much ass Hellfish and Snipers used to kick. If you have never paintballed EvenStupider, TormentX, xZER0, Rattler4u, Coflin2, Matt385, Papercut_Skin, TheBear, or any of the old members who had been playing as far back as 2004, you do not have a place in the top 50 paintballers, much less your team in the top 50.

    WHAT’S UP EVENSTUPIDER!!?!? I haven’t talked to you in forever d00d.

  42. #114 by Camel on 2011.06.20 - 6:43 am

    Will you run in to similar issues with restoring buddies? Are there any other assets or avatar-related properties that have any kind of dependency on the existence of other avatars? As a former DBA, I find this stuff pretty interesting πŸ™‚

  43. #115 by knighthawk101 on 2011.06.20 - 6:20 am

    I would pick the 3rd option but at least my wife (ravenmagic) did. I tried to vote and it won’t let me, it keeps saying my vote has already been counted.

  44. #116 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 6:16 am

    You know, I recently over thought my last post about There going with choice number 1. Hmm, Idk if i’m going to be able to put this so y’all can understand.. but, If the teams/groups get deleted.. Maybe it’ll deter the people that were actually in the groups and such.. to come back. There are people who came online just to interact with their group/group members. If they don’t have a group to come back to.. What’s the point of coming? needs all the members it can get so they can recieve the funds they need to keep running the virtual world.

  45. #117 by jamt on 2011.06.20 - 5:14 am

    LOl ignore some of the typing, brain and fingers are not in sync today!

  46. #118 by jamt on 2011.06.20 - 5:13 am

    Hi! I picked #3 because it makes the most sense! I know which clubs to keep and which will be junked, thrown out and or lol just deleted! Like I know which Thereians will not be back in, so as to delete them, till they are old enough to be back in There! I have a member of some clubs since 03, and would hate to see that wiped offed of the virtual worlds maps! I know of one case where there maybe already a transfer of a long standing very popular club!! Anddddd no I won’t give out names! :PPP And no it’s not me! :)) hugs jamt

  47. #119 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 5:06 am

    Okay, You have to undertand here.. If you restart all of the clubs.. and leadership rankings.. it will just take more time for There to be re-opened. If we start with a clean state, then there will be fresh oportunities. Also, half of the clubs and groups were by minors. Seeing as Minors cannot access once it’s re-opened.. Those clubs would be pointless. They’d just be wasting space. If you want There to be opened sooner, just let it start fresh!

    • #120 by EvenStupider on 2011.06.20 - 5:46 am

      very compelling argument. One probably thought up by a minor himself.

      • #121 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 5:58 am

        I’ve actually just turned 19. Thanks. (:

      • #122 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.06.20 - 12:40 pm

        What is your problem, Even? We’re allowed to have opinions that differ from yours. Though not a beta, I was in There for five years, hardly a “newb” and…wow, I’m not a minor, either, being 56 years old. I’d rather have There opened sooner, and restart my clubs. Part of the fun you had in There over the years was in skilling up and making your clubs what they were.

      • #123 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 4:37 pm

        Actually he is about 1/3 your age.
        Those of us who know him know he loves to push peoples buttons.

      • #124 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 8:26 pm

        Yea, you should see him in Alex’s Arctic Arena.. Always picking fights with random people.

      • #125 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.21 - 8:18 am

        Quite observant of you… Ya, that is what he does very well.
        Well educated, well spoken but with the knack of getting under peoples skin.
        He will grow out of it as he matures, if not, he is going to have a rough life.

  48. #126 by EvenStupider on 2011.06.20 - 5:02 am

    I really don’t understand the mode of thinking by some of the members here on this blog. If people are going to return, why not let them return to what made the game fun for them in the first place? (The in-game communities, that like TherePercy stated, are in integral part of’s community). I do agree, it would be incredibly stupid to allow all clubs to return, given that majority of them are inactive. But explain to me the difference between a leader being able to reclaim his/her team – versus “starting fresh” deleting all clubs and having leaders try to reclaim there old clubs anyways. I don’t see the harm in allowing people to come back to their reserved club, and personally believe that anyone who chooses poll number 1 is a newb that really doesn’t understand the true dynamics of IT IS A SOCIAL PLATFORM! – there isn’t much else to do besides socialize in the world, and clubs are a basic, essential, elementary foundation for that. I can’t speak for all others, but bunny slippers, hover boarding, and therehugs aren’t enough to retain a consistent subscription – but I do believe that neighborhoods, pazs, clubhouses, funzones, and clubs do contribute enormously to there’s social environment, and most importantly, serve as an effective means of getting members to login day after day. By deleting all clubs, what many members align themselves with in this social environment, and having some idiot just claim another’s club – all hell would break loose. I honestly can’t believe this is an option even being considered on’s part.

    • #127 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 6:29 am

      Agreed, after reading this, I’ver changed my Poll. Just imagine if someone were to take the group name ‘Snipers’. Or Someone to take ‘HellFish’ Or even ‘Soldiers’ For that matter… They would end up causing a huge fight over something so silly. Those teams worked hard for their ranks on the leaderboards.. They worked hard for their name to be known.. Why give it to some random guy who feels like stealing someone’s accomplishments?

      Well put EvenStupider.

      • #128 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 8:36 am

        Calling people names to solidify a point is the last stand of a person who feels like they are losing the battle.
        I’m sorry you feel so strongly about this situation that you feel like low blows and fear mongering (saying that the names will be griefed) to adjust the thinking of the people here on this forum.

        Just accept that not everyone thinks the same and stop the hissy fits, they are not becoming of you.
        Even after you saying “anyone that votes 1 is a newb”, I will still vote 1 because that is what I consider the best option for the community.

      • #129 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 9:12 am

        “They would end up causing a huge fight over something so silly”. … Yes they would!

        “Those teams worked hard for their ranks on the leaderboards”.. .. Apparently you know very little about individual or team rankings and how some teams achieved those rankings. Most know little about the word ETHICS.

        “They worked hard for their name to be known”.. There WERE a few teams that worked “hard” to be well known. Very few of those teams are now active and the ones that are seldom work hard at much of anything other than being egomaniacs. Although they can paintball almost as well as the original group of shooters, back in Beta times, something has happened to attitudes. It’s just not for FUN any longer. You take the fun out of any game by cheating and the game becomes nothing more than who can become the most creative cheater.

        “Why give it to some random guy who feels like stealing someone’s accomplishments?” .. Option 1 didn’t make much sense to me when I read it. It would cause nothing but chaos.

        Bottom line is simple: Hopefully taking the juveniles out of the equation will make a difference in the ethics and responsibility of players to make an effort to achieve HONEST individual and team rankings.

        FYI, Don’t hold your breath!

      • #130 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 10:03 am

        Seg_Vio, I’m not starting a “battle”. I just agree with EvenStupider at this time.
        xSnoopy, Even if they cheated their rank by raping points and whatnot.. Cmon.. They still had to go through all that hassle. >;)

      • #131 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.20 - 10:31 am

        Hmm. If I go back through this thread and find name-calling, there’s going to be trouble. That is all.

      • #132 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 10:58 am

        That was not directed at you Eatings. I am on my iPhone, so I may have misplaced my comment. It was meant for Even.

        The name calling part I was referring to was Even saying that anyone who chooses 1 is a newb.

      • #133 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.20 - 11:21 am

        : )0

      • #134 by ARTIE on 2011.06.20 - 11:55 am

        You all make such wonderful points. Let me suggest a different path. Take away the rankings and leader boards. This eliminates the EGO thing. Instead, every day you play, you have to prove yourself all over again.

        I remember when we did the 24/7 Sumo Buggy Wrestling at the Shootball Court, there were always people trying to cheat to be the best. People would quickly complain and stop playing the game. King of the Mountain isn’t very fun if no one bothers to climb up the ramps to challenge you. Simply ignoring these folks always caused them to leave because of boredom or to go AFK and then someone bumped them off.

        The fact that we never had a leader board is what made the game great. You could boast of greatness for 1 to 10 minutes, but eventually you got bumped off and someone else took your place. If you want to keep the gaming in THERE fun and more social, then do away with all rankings and leader boards, as they only encourage the cheating egomaniacs.

        Well maybe that will be the subject of another poll. As for clubs, I can live with any decision that allows THERE to come back quickly and run smoothly so that I can have fun with friends again.

      • #135 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.20 - 12:12 pm

        This Poll was about Clubs and Teams. The issue about the leader boards being cleared was not included in the poll.
        However that being said here in the blog, I would like to see all the boards cleared for a fresh start. Most of the top 50 paintball players I have never seen or ever met in game. I don’t think any Respectable paintball team would have a problem with that? I’d like to know how the buggy or boarding community thinks about the matter.

      • #136 by Does It Matter? on 2011.06.20 - 12:24 pm

        Poor Michael WIlson.

      • #137 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 4:28 pm

        I agree completely
        You take the ego out of it and a lot of the “elite” paintballers, who take the fun out of the game, will just go away and sulk.

      • #138 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 4:32 pm

        Hmmm, some things never change …
        Does It Matter? and another person, in this section of this blog, have the same IP address, I bet.

      • #139 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.20 - 5:11 pm

        Funny if you watch that video i only see about 6 or so Snipers in it, I love being on the Sniper half the other PaintBallers hate you just because your a sniper and make videos like this to try and make us look bad. lmao : )

      • #140 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.20 - 6:04 pm

        @ Bumpin, I do believe Alex’s Artic at the Time was called the Snipers zone. We voted to have it chang the name shortly after to The Danger Zone. Everyone was welcome as long as they followed the zone rules. I’m not sure what team outfit that is, of the person who shot the video. But I do understand what you mean.

      • #141 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 6:49 pm

        Lol, I posted that video from a different computer.

      • #142 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 7:58 pm

        By “welcome”, do you mean:
        1. Welcome to our friendly little zone where everyone is welcome. Hope you enjoy yourself …
        2. Welcome to our little zone where, if we don’t like you, 5 or 6 of us will team you.
        Kind of a big difference between those 2 choices, don’t you think?
        Or, was there another choice I missed, while sliding? Perhaps I slid by it at such a high rate of speed that I didn’t have a chance to read it.
        Or perhaps it was inferred where everyone you didn’t like ended up sliding.
        Either way, some felt it was not the friendliest zone in There.
        Oh, BTW, anyone can put on a shirt and FRAPS people shooting MW, doesn’t mean its a conspiracy. You of all people should
        know that!

      • #143 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.21 - 9:05 am

        As we all can see snoop is still trying to start crap or should i say push buttons, Well this way people can see your true colors. : ) ( Post 102 )

      • #144 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.21 - 12:49 pm

        Just asking about the difference between your/her verbalizing and the REAL world!
        “Everyone was welcome as long as they followed the zone rules.”
        Quite a few of us were never given the chance to “follow the zone rules”. We were teamed and then banned from the zone. In fact, a lot of individuals were never allowed into the zone.
        I have no idea what kind of colored glasses you are actually looking at the world with, but those were her words. I and many others ASSumed that you guys meant what you said when you changed the name of the zone.
        With that said, I ask you, whose true colors are we really seeing?
        At least now we will be allowed in the zone without any bias.

      • #145 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.21 - 2:33 pm

        I love how you take it upon your self to talk for others, We We We, If you could not follow the rules you got banned, Its funny how you dont tell everybody how you once was a Sniper and just because you made the zone avi you thought it would run your way, and do you remember calling a meeting in my hood before you was going on that trip? You could`t make the meeting, But before you left you was saying , If things dont change somethings going to happen!! But we knew what you were up to so we changed the zone avi SO YOU COULD`T Change the password or take the zone from us. So you and tig both got bought out at diffrent times and paddy WALKED AWAY as if that was any of your business but you keep bring it up like it was just trying to stir the pot, Oh ya what about all the camping you did outside the zone? You parked your avi there for hours, daily just to spy and to bug us. So why must you keep bring up the passed , Your only making yourself look bad. Now if your done griefing i gtg. ( Sry i brought you into this paddy but if i did`t say it he would have , he alway does. )

      • #146 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.21 - 6:47 pm

        “I love how you take it upon your self to talk for others”
        THATS WHAT YOU SAID Bump!!
        My response, that you have commented on twice, was directed at Salty!
        And your telling me I’m taking it upon myself to talk for others????????
        Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
        This is NOT the place to air Snipers dirty laundry. Let’s finish this chat in There.
        How about letting Salty speak for herself, if she wants to.

      • #147 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.22 - 7:05 am

        My new post went to the buttom, 178 This is for snoop.

    • #148 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.20 - 9:19 am

      I suppose I will be a newb and dont understand the dynamics of because you say so!! rofl. I have a few words for your mode of thinking also butttttttt I think this is where I bite my tongue and walk away… lol

  49. #149 by ColinMartin on 2011.06.20 - 2:49 am

    I have picked Number 1 start fresh and less hassle for to deal with and re open speeds up! and i am sure most of clubs/groups will not return and will take up too much space on servers or some think ???

    • #150 by frankprss on 2011.06.20 - 8:31 am

      No, I’m quite sure that the memory required to hold clubs is quite small.

  50. #151 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.20 - 1:16 am

    I’m hearing you loud and clear Percy but starting from scratch kinda goes hand in hand with There closing. Sadly we probably wont be seeing designer’s we saw before, I know I wont be seeing some of my old chat buddies. In a way There is starting over. It’s been over a year since There has been closed, alot will be different and needs to be start over. Someone had said ridgeriders had 300 members… I highly doubt all 300 will be returning to that club/There. There was also alot of work put into designing and we wont be seeing certain design’s because their not returning. It stinks to put so much time into something and then have to start over but this one I agree is like setting up a huge party just for nobody or barely anyone to show up. With all do respect and understanding, fresh start is easiest and most logical way to go. But hey, that is what the poll is for so hopefully you may still get your wish. I’m not trying to change anyones opinion, only stating mine. πŸ™‚

    • #152 by Sassybeme There on 2011.06.20 - 6:33 am

      As far as who may or may not return. Some will go where they make money, yes. Some had designed other places besides THERE before THERE closed. I say, never say never.

  51. #153 by EternalQuasarβ„’ on 2011.06.20 - 12:36 am

    Personally I chose option three as I have put tremendous amounts of money and time into the communities, one of the most important to me personally is “Disability in There” which was the FIRST Support group in-world for the disabled when established in 2004 by myself an soon to be ex-wife.

  52. #154 by Francis_7 on 2011.06.19 - 7:30 pm

    I am thinking, depending how this works out, that a ‘club fair’ might be a good event to organize once the world is open and working again! I had a blast at the last one a few years back. It could be a lot of fun!

    • #155 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 1:58 pm

      I certainly hope a reconstruction of Lago Land is not out of the question πŸ™‚ .
      Your hood was the inspiration behind my hood Metropolis!

      The Fair sounds like an awesome idea! I do hope it is possible! If I can get my items off my hood avie, I’ll even pitch in!

  53. #156 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.19 - 6:45 pm

    β€œCan’t Shoot Straight PaintBallers” …. Too funny, My kinda team!
    Bet that team name will be taken the first few minutes There is open.
    Whatcha say Seg_Vio, wanna start a team?
    Bet we could talk Phill41 into joining πŸ™‚

    • #157 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 7:46 pm

      That sounds like a plan Ken! If we can talk Phill41 into joining, we will take 1st rank for sure!
      I know one club I may want to restart if I decide to cover for 2 avies… My old PB team Cereal Killers with my alt Captain_Crunch!
      I had other people who created “cereal” avies also, but I never did anything with it besides goof off against top players on that fat avie and they got a suprise when they was sliding to the Captain!

      • #158 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 2:39 am

        How about Alpha_Bits or Grape_Nuts? I could resurrect either of them if someone wanted them πŸ™‚
        Anyhow, we can talk about it when IM opens.
        You got to understand one thing, any team I am on will draw the attention of one particular team. LOL
        Guess we would probably have to live with that stigma huh? πŸ™‚
        Maybe we could talk LUNATIKKK into coming back and joining up. Between Phill41 and him, we would quite the team πŸ™‚
        Oh, were gonna need a designer on the team also to design all our cereal looking clothing .. I have the perfect female in mind.
        A clue, think RED!! hehe

      • #159 by Sassybeme There on 2011.06.20 - 6:21 am

        9 dragons… weak beggar!

      • #160 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 1:47 pm

        I was in the crossfire as well from a few members of a certain team, who half I was good friends with. This was due to me befriending 2 females who had a PaZ on the road leading to Zephyr (you know who I mean). I never let social peer pressure or bully tactics change who I am or who I consider friends :). as far as the team…Ya we can talk in the IM.’tu

      • #161 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 5:38 pm

        Thanks πŸ™‚

  54. #162 by shiningknight55 on 2011.06.19 - 6:32 pm

    Leave the Clubs until it’s leader comes back (OR) Start fresh and have all Clubs re-established…Is okay with me….Get her started back up then worry about the details of Clubs.

  55. #163 by EagleRocket on 2011.06.19 - 5:29 pm

    Best thing with all re-fresh new clubs.

  56. #164 by Shivaki on 2011.06.19 - 4:38 pm

    Option 3 seems the best one. I’d go for “starting fresh” BUT theres no guarantee that someone wont try to take club names that wasn’t theirs before.

    Rankings, ratings, etc. should be cleared though since everyones been gone from There for over a year.

  57. #165 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.19 - 4:24 pm

    Thanks again Michael for all the work you and the team are doing to get us all home again!!
    Unfortunately there are some very paranoid members out there.
    Reserve the club names for the leader to claim after There re-opens .. #3. Its the one option that makes the most sense. It was MY choice.
    I would rather have a Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia exam rather than be the leader of a Paintball team and have to put up with the petty bickering between over bloated egos in some paintball teams.

  58. #166 by frankprss on 2011.06.19 - 4:08 pm

    Option 3.

  59. #167 by darkrounge on 2011.06.19 - 2:36 pm

    Why not start fresh?
    It eases new members, new people of there to be able to experience and open clubs with other people.

    It also allows us to re-familiarize ourselves within the game, rather then jumping straight to conclusion and opening clubs.
    We need to start fresh, after all, there was closed for a good year so it would only be fair to start fresh and allow the new to actually get to conceive the physics of the game!

    Present/old club owners and members would disagree, but I’d like to see new club members.

    • #168 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 4:51 pm

      “#43 by darkrounge on 2011.06.19 – 2:36 pm

      Why not start fresh?
      It eases new members, new people of there to be able to experience and open clubs with other people.”

      I don’t quite follow that reasoning. You can still make new groups. I read nowhere that only existing groups might be restored and no new ones could be made….

      And did you mean new club members (which seems to be a given when new people join groups, new or ‘old’), or new group leaders?

      • #169 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 9:20 pm

        TherePercy: I think what darkrounge is saying is that starting fresh will put EVERYONE on an even playing field in the aspect that even new members will feel like they are contributing to the refreshed community. If we start with everything like it was, it would be like There was never closed, but the thing is, it was.

        I think for any option rather than #1 to be implimented is going way above and beyond expectations. It’s awesome that Michael Wilson is kind enough to go through the headache in the first place. We should all be humbled by his act of kindness that he is presenting here, rather than registering complaints (this part is not directed at anyone in particular, just stating it in general).

      • #170 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.06.20 - 4:45 am

        I totally agree with seg_vio on this. Percy, if someone else grabbed Spinning Spades, you’d just come up with another name. People didn’t join clubs for their names, after all, and you’d put on a good show even if the name were Pink Lily spades.

      • #171 by EvenStupider on 2011.06.20 - 5:19 am

        Everyone should NOT be on an even playing field.’s old members were there first, dumped loads of cash into the game, and like it or not, at least helped in supporting as a company. Take for instance WildBilly – who owns literally over 1000 dollars worth of virtual real estate around Zephyr. He was there first, he dumped hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars into, and is by natural right the fking MAYOR OF ZEPHYR. Then say, some punk like me hops on first and snags all his hot spot zones just like that (which I would love to do, just admit its incredibly unfair). How unfair is that for him, who over the many years retained the zones, refilled time into them, and basically sat on the ingame commodity until its value shot through the roof, and the only justification for it is, “hey, the game closed didn’t it? we should all start fresh cause erm’, new members feel like they’re contributing to something NEW” I.E taking your hard earned rightful possession just like that. The same is true for clubs. You may not know it, but people have been aligning themselves within particular clubs for years, in some instances over half a decade. Pumping money into the game for clothes, buggys, club houses, funzones, websites, etc. It’s an enormous sentimental value that I wouldn’t expect you to understand. Building some clubs, and sticking through them for the years took a lot of hard work – believe it or not. It’s not our fault that the game closed. What is more, WE are the basic building blocks for its new re-establishment. People will, as I am most certain, try and claim popular team names, which is completely unfair – and is a legitimate reason to reserve team names for some leaders.

      • #172 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.20 - 6:26 am

        @ EvenStupider. Nicely said.

      • #173 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 9:24 am

        I am one of There.coms older members, haven’t been there as long as Wildbilly, but i have spent tons (yes several thousand) in game on hoods, pazzes, and items to fill them all. Not to mention contests where i provided the prize.But I’m not here to have a pissing contest.
        The reason behind the vote system is to allow a democracy…what you speak of is facisim.
        My point is that everyone here deserves a say no matter how much you disagree with them.

      • #174 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.20 - 5:35 pm

        The #3 choice is the ONLY one that is fair to everyone.
        The team leader of HellFish, Snipers or any other existing team can come back and reclaim the team. Why is there a problem with that option?
        Probably half of those who were members, when There closed, wont be back. Why carry the extra baggage of those who will not be joining us when There re-opens?
        Those of you who were on the two teams mentioned, know the team leader and can contact him/her when There re-opens and make arrangements to have him or his representative reclaim the team, thus keeping the name alive. After that, you can rejoin.
        Some here are making mountains out of mole hills.
        Besides, there will be a new team in town when There re-opens and they are gonna kick ass!!
        UNLESS Michael has reserved the name “Can’t Shoot Straight PaintBallers” for his own use. πŸ™‚ Say it isn’t so Michael!!

      • #175 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.20 - 6:27 pm

        Me and my ID…or is it my Super Ego? :/ have been going round and round. I think that even though a part of me would like to see things somewhat start from scratch, I do think it would cause too many issues to start things that new with the clubs (yes, this is me admitting that I’m wrong πŸ˜› ).

        In the words of Sigmund Freud: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…wait…scratch that πŸ™‚

      • #176 by xSnoopy on 2011.06.21 - 2:01 am

        Look at it this way:
        If Option No1 becomes the one voted in, you could be the team leader of Hellfish and I could be the leader of Snipers.

        Nahhhhh, not gonna happen! The S*** hitting the fan in the old There would be NOTHING compared to this time πŸ™‚
        Got to keep telling myself that we are going to There2 to have fun this time, not to piss the super egos off.
        Wait, WHAT?? Admitting your wrong? WTF is that all about .. I preserved this moment on my calendar! This and the cigar comment may come back to haunt you πŸ™‚

        Wonder what happened to Tig, haven’t seen any clever comments about Beagles from her lately?? Cant wait to see her on her, on her back, bouncing across the sand in Zephyr πŸ™‚

      • #177 by Tiggy on 2011.06.21 - 4:35 pm

        Have your pet spayed or NEUTERED

    • #178 by Eatings,Sputters,Pneumonia,ect. on 2011.06.20 - 6:23 am

      To EvenStupider, I agree with you 100% on the WildBilly thing. But the thing is.. What does he have if is closed? Nothing. Whatever real estate value he had.. was dumped when they decided to close There. majority of the people never thought There would return anyway.

  60. #179 by Striker194 on 2011.06.19 - 2:35 pm

    If I vote option 1 do Seg Vios go away? πŸ˜€

    • #180 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 4:52 pm

      Every option leads to Seg Vio(s)

      • #181 by Striker194 on 2011.06.20 - 8:36 pm


        Oh well atleast will be back.. I’m so excited! Now we must poke the compass makers D: because I can’t live in There without my JS Compass

      • #182 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.21 - 6:53 pm

        I made a compass about a year before There closed. I never released it to the public… I think me and Crazymattrocks, and Tristan3 all had copies of it. If I can find the file for it, I will see about un-personializing it and releasing it with options that would suit more people.

        It did have one option I LOVED! It had /pa (pack attack) which dropped a hover pack, took off your ff, and drew your PB gun all in one command! I had that macroed to giggles πŸ™‚

  61. #183 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 2:02 pm

    I answered 3…But I would have answered 1 if it was more clear and stated that you could create clubs when There reopens. Right now 1 is worded like clubs will be non-existant under that option. Maybe that is what it is saying?

    It would be nice to have some clarification, and that will help others decide more clearly. I wanted to choose 1, but was worried it meant the opposite , so I felt I had to go with the 2nd best option.

    If what I am thinking is correct about choice 1 , then please change one vote from 3 to 1 so my vote can be represented properly.

    • #184 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 4:48 pm

      Let me see if I can clarify. The poll is about MIGRATION of clubs, indicating there will be clubs (or the ability to create them). Option 1 seems to say to start with no clubs restored, so you’d have to start everything from scratch, but as I said before, you run the risk that people claim a group name you had for years and years and was wellknown in the There community.

      • #185 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 8:28 pm

        I translate things pretty literaly. #1 in the poll said: “Start fresh with NO Clubs or Teams”. (Cleanest, but causes issues with legacy clubs and teams)

        I should have waited until I knew for sure what the true translation of 1 was, but I don’t regret selecting 3 either way as it is a good option as well.
        I enjoy creating new things, so 1 would have been my better option, but one option winning over the other will affect my enjoyment of There.

      • #186 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 8:31 pm

        typo: I enjoy creating new things, so 1 would have been my better option, but one option winning over the other will not affect my enjoyment of There.

        Corrected, sorry I’m ”’z’

  62. #187 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.19 - 1:48 pm

    I picked option 3. This works best for Groups with “well known” names in game. I agree with Drake Steele and Percy.

  63. #188 by Kevin J Blum on 2011.06.19 - 1:45 pm

    Thanks for the chance to give our opinions, MW! #3 seems like the best option to me, as well. As ‘clean’ as #1 would be, I agree that there are those that will immediately cause drama by stealing well-established club names for nefarious purposes. Those club leaders who spent a lot of time building their club should have the option to restart that club without worrying about those who would thwart that merely by stealing a well-known club name. There2 may be a ‘fresh start’ for the world, but that world will come with many pre-formed relationships (clubs) that, for many, have existed beyond the original There. They deserve a measure of protection. Thanks!


  64. #189 by BABS on 2011.06.19 - 1:23 pm

    I understand the ‘starting fresh’ approach but since I don’t want to lose my clubs to someone else, option three ‘tu is the ‘almost’ starting fresh approach (if I understand it right, there will be zero members in a club that is restored). If a club leader had to pay per club created -and perhaps a yearly maintenance fee- it would go a long way toward getting rid of that “same mess we had before” THIS go around. I don’t know about other club leaders, but I would be willing to pay.

    • #190 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 2:56 pm

      I dunno… I see your point, but to suggest payment for every single aspect of There life might put off a lot of people. Next suggestion is pay for ‘gas’ in your buggies, baccios, hoverboats and bikes? A fee to pay if you wish to host any event (like rent-a-zone)? Might be a little much.

      • #191 by BABS on 2011.06.19 - 4:51 pm

        but… I didn’t suggest payment for every single aspect of There πŸ˜› I just meant that if people had to pay a fee, even a tiny one, it would cut down on what MW called “the same mess we had before”, i.e. members wouldn’t just create and keep empty and unused groups, ‘shrug at least not as often. And I agree, _of course_ paying for everything would be a too much ‘doh!

      • #192 by Tiggy on 2011.06.20 - 11:20 am

        I dunno… nobody seems to mind us paintballers paying per shot on Paintball… Gas for buggies might be a moneymaker… Just sayin.

  65. #193 by Punkster OfThere on 2011.06.19 - 12:59 pm

    I voted! There were many clubs that were not being used, that were just a waste of space I guess. The clubs would almost be just like when you liked “pages” on facebook. Instead of having clubs maybe people can create something for others to like instead, like a link to a page of interest like on fb. That way there is no need for maintaining it. I did however like the club I created for my clothing designs and such, though I did not have events for it, it would also be a way for me to be able to communicate to fans that new items were soon to come. I am excited to get back into! Keep up the good work and if you need ANYTHING as far as help from me, feel free to contact me! I am available for There. Bye!

    • #194 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 2:54 pm

      I agree, there were many clubs that were created just for the sake of having a funny club name and no other purpose, like you said, as a ‘like’. However, there were also many clubs that did hold regular events or were created for the sole purpose to be an ‘invite list’.
      Luckily option 3 would ONLY resurrect clubs if the Leader logged in. Don’t want the club anymore? Since you’d be the only member: ‘leave group’ and presto! Club gone. πŸ˜€

  66. #195 by Skyefire on 2011.06.19 - 12:58 pm

    I don’t care too much one way or another if clubs are restored, but I think rankings need to be reset. It’s been over a year, and I think that’s only fair.

    However, I am not sure exactly how rankings worked, if it was based on wins or some actual skills, so my opinion could be totally wrong. I do think if rankings are restored, they shouldn’t show up for avatars that haven’t been reactivated yet. It’s not fair to the people playing if others on the top whatever board haven’t paid to come back and never will.

    • #196 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 2:51 pm

      I agree with a total reset on rankings.
      I think it could be a technical issue if the opt simply not to ‘show’ rankings for non-acticvated avatars. If they log in a week or so later, they *would* be reactivated and the whole show changes again.
      If you worked hard before to attain a rank, surely you can do it again and prove to yourself it wasn’t just luck, but skill πŸ˜›

  67. #197 by Drake Steele on 2011.06.19 - 12:51 pm

    Ok as a lifetime member of since 2002, I think I agree with restoring the club, name, members, and all when the leader rejoins. Some of the truly well-established clubs need to have that chance to retain their club assets – their members. Some of them spent years acquiring them, I’d hate to see them lose all that work when porting to the new There. Nuff said.

  68. #200 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.19 - 12:30 pm

    I see your point completely Percy after you brought it up. Sad because I wouldnt have thought to log into There as soon as it opens to retreive someone elses club. I guess it takes a certain mind set to even want to do that. I have to say for the sake of less hassel on getting There back up and running I still vote fresh start and cross finger’s people wont be that petty to take anyones club name. My concern is all the demands, suggestions and what not people are handing MW, it worries me the more time and money trying to make everyone happy may be a downfall? I do give MW a huge thumbs up for having these surveys and polls, it really shows alot on his part to wonder how his Thereians feel about situations in his site. Might be a good idea to just open the easiest/cheapest way, and deal with club conflicts later ” if” they even happen?

    • #201 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 2:44 pm

      I have that same concern, Yankeeinthesouth. WAY too many ‘demands’ and suggestions that will only slow down opening of our HOME. We can always deal with things afterwards. Remember, there are BACKUPS, so if for some reason certain Hoods, Items, whatever are not in-world when it opens, they can be RESTORED. May take a few days, but so be it. There is not about ‘stuff’ in essence. (at least not for me). It is about COMMUNITY and having fun together.

  69. #202 by toufovou on 2011.06.19 - 12:23 pm

    The closest to what I would prefer is option 3 although for me the best option would be for the club leaders to have the option to open the club again if they wish. If they do, then all club members should be either automatically re-registered or given the option to register to the clubs they wish during the sign up process. Reserving a club name should be for good though. There should be a deadline 6months to a year the longest depending on how long ‘There’ will have the accounts available for re-registering.
    I’m thinking this because it would be a shame for very active clubs like for example ‘Addicted to There and I don’t care’ (its the first one that I can think of) which have hundreds of members and that host events and activities all the time to need to start all over again.
    I don’t know how possible that is and judging by the poll options it might not even be possible to be done but at the end of the day its ‘Makena’ that will make the decision judging on what is best for the company and us and whatever that decision is it will be respected and unquestioned from my side!
    As for the league rankings, either start fresh or re-rank players or teams when they return. Starting fresh sounds like the better idea to me though

    • #203 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 12:37 pm

      “#21 by toufovou on 2011.06.19 – 12:23 pm

      The closest to what I would prefer is option 3 although for me the best option would be for the club leaders to have the option to open the club again if they wish”

      The easiest is the other way around. Restore all clubs you led when you reregister your account, but empty. As you may remember, if the last member (which is automatically the leader) leaves the group, it gets deleted. Less hassle for Makena and a minor thing for the clubleader to do.
      I do understand for people to want to have a club wit at least some (returning) members added, but I think we should not put upon Makena to have to do a lot of (re)programming, thus delaying the reopening of our Home.
      My main club had 1200+ members, but I am prefectly willing to start with no members, as long as I have th club name. Remember: Recruiting is also an ‘activity’ πŸ˜€

      • #204 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 2:25 pm

        The only griefing I could imagine with the clubs was mentioned earlier by Bumpin42 about the main PB teams: Hellfish and Snipers as they was constantly at virtual war. Even during that time, some of each team was friended with the others teammates.
        I seriously doubt that people will (especially since it’s 18+ now) grief the yardsale,spades,or event clubs just for the sake of doing it.

        If I am wrong in my thinking, then the griefers should consider that such actions could possibly lead to the detrement and possible re-closing of the game. I do not think that any of us want that to happen.

      • #205 by toufovou on 2011.06.19 - 2:26 pm

        Yes but many might not be willing to do the same.

  70. #206 by NoBioN on 2011.06.19 - 12:16 pm

    I think its the best if your club & club house gets automaticly restored when rejoining. Its about restoring whats required only. But to make sure not to piss off people in the process. By that i meen you should reserve all club houses for a period of time. If the participant does now show up within a set period of time. The club house will be lost. What im not sure about is, if to keep reserving club names for maybe the double time than of the houses, since i guess thats the biggest loss for a club to eventually loose their name and existence, a house can be replaced. On the other hand, people who dont join up within months of relaunch. Most likely does not posses leadership of any of the past’s most active and known groups. And if that would be the case. Then its most likely close to 18 year minors.

  71. #207 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 12:01 pm

    I pretty much ran this same poll on the “The Thereian Communty” group on facebook.
    In my poll your option 3 was my option 2 and it seems that seems to make the most sense and on my poll had the most votes.
    It seems the most sensible way to restore clubs. It circumvents ‘Leaderless Clubs’ and it prevents clubs being filled with 75%’ non-returners’.
    It also prevents situations where ‘first come, first served’ results in long time club names being ‘stolen’ by others. I for one would hate to lose ‘Spinning Spades’, which has been in existence since 2006.

    • #208 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.19 - 12:17 pm

      I hardly ever log into Facebook.

      • #209 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.19 - 12:20 pm

        Oh I just did. Coolnet’s version of the Blockskit story is unfortunately…completely incorrect.

      • #210 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 12:23 pm

        Oh, I know. I wasn’t suggesting you check it out πŸ™‚ I merely indicated I ran pretty much the same poll with the suggestions you made in a previous post and I was sharing my data from that πŸ™‚

      • #211 by Innie on 2011.06.19 - 4:36 pm

        Oh, Can i mention Blockskit now without being threatened of being banned? Cause, IMO….it was the coolest thing ever, and I still think There should adopt it (if it’s at all possible.) I never did know what happened, or stopped it from happening. Just know I had tons of fun with it.

  72. #212 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.19 - 11:52 am

    Like i`ve said before There are PaintBall teams who DON`T want others to take there names Like Snipers and Hellfish iam sure. There are some griefers out there who would jump at the chance steal names like ours, Our team names are very important to us paintballers, It`s only not important to the ones whos not on a team or whos gotin kicked off a team and you all know who you are. Plz let us keep our PB team names if not i think there will be problems with people fighting over PB team names, We Snipers have clothes billboards and other things already what if a Griefer steals our name? Then we have a problem!!! So Plzz think about what i`ve said Mw.

    • #213 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.19 - 12:00 pm

      So Plzzz like read the poll ok?

    • #214 by Bumpin42 on 2011.06.19 - 12:04 pm

      I did.

      • #215 by Michael Wilson on 2011.06.19 - 12:16 pm

        Then you’ll see that it says “Reserve all existing club names and re-create the Club when it’s Club Leader(s) re-register for There…”. So if your club name was “Can’t Shoot Straight PaintBallers”, then that name would be reserved until the leader showed up to re-hydrate the club.

  73. #216 by dirty_dirtball on 2011.06.19 - 11:41 am

    If/ when clubs are restored will this take place during the ThereIM opening phase or later on if/when real estate can be implemented?

  74. #217 by Sassybeme There on 2011.06.19 - 11:07 am

    I can understand others sensitivity about clubs. I’m not as sensitive with them. I’m very cool with which ever way you decide to go with this.

  75. #218 by Francis_7 on 2011.06.19 - 11:07 am

    I think the reserving the clubhouses for a time and reforming the clubs is a good idea. Starting the databse over makes sense as well. There were lots of vacant clubhouses with closed so new clubs still have a place to meet!

  76. #219 by yankeeinthesouth on 2011.06.19 - 11:03 am

    I have to agree with starting fresh. There2 is a new start and so should the clubs, besides I think there is enough for MW to do besides worrying about clubs.

    • #220 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 12:22 pm

      Groups were an integral part of There and its community, used for events etc etc. Some names were very well established and it would cause all kinds of unnecessary problems (griefing wise for one) if somebody were to be able to claim a wellknown name, JUST because they logged in 5 minutes before the rightful owner.

      • #221 by RK_Falagar on 2011.06.19 - 9:11 pm

        I agree! I mean look at Babs and other clubs.. The RidgeRiders was over 300 strong. It would be a shame to wipe out all the clubs.

    • #222 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 2:13 pm

      I agree with you fully Yankee! This should be treated like it is a new start for the community in most aspects.
      I feel like this will make There feel fresh and new.

    • #223 by EvenStupider on 2011.06.19 - 4:24 pm

      How fair is that to people who spent a lot of time, energy, money for club clothes, cars, etc, and most importantly the built in-game communities in tandem with club names themselves –
      such as buggy teams, and paintball teams? It would be a very stupid move in my opinion. It seems the best idea is that the leaders should have privilege over its team. That all being said, I do however agree that leadership boards should be restarted.

      • #224 by Seg_Vio on 2011.06.19 - 8:12 pm

        Hey Even, good to see your name in here.
        I’m not expecting everyone to agree with me, but I do think it would be beneficial to the community to feel somewhat obligated to creating new ideas for what I consider a new start to an old community. My perspective is along the lines of what MW was talking about with some of the There code. Sometimes it’s better to start new and have a clean slate to work with.
        This is only my opinion though, if people disagree, my feelings wont be hurt a bit. Honestly I’m happy either way.

  77. #225 by There Lover on 2011.06.19 - 11:03 am

    Thanks for letting us have a little of a say in this MW! Its much appreciated! πŸ™‚

  78. #226 by mmmm22222222 on 2011.06.19 - 10:58 am

    I really don’t mind giving out my vote to the public, isn’t really that confidential anyway but I think just starting fresh is the best idea, its going to be less hassle just to re-create it in game other than Makena having to restoring it all..

    Any news on when accounts can be activated? For example… I am not 18 until next year… in 2012… So is there a deadline for accounts being activated?

    • #227 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 12:08 pm

      The problem with ‘starting fresh’ is this: if somebody logs in for the first time even 2 minutes before me, they could register ‘Spinning Spades’, causing me to lose a club that has been in existence since 2006. I think that’s hardly fair. A lot of work was put into it (it had 1200+ members). I don’t care that I’d have to start recruiting anew, but I would hate to lose that group name.

      • #228 by mmmm22222222 on 2011.06.20 - 6:21 am

        That is true… I think more popular groups can be reserved but for ones that have maybe say less than 10 members that are inactive for over a year to be deleted, If you aint fast, your last.

  79. #229 by jimony on 2011.06.19 - 10:53 am

    My vote is to reserve all existing club names, but only restore the club on request by club leader, that isn’t included in the vote, so I don’t have one to vote for.

    • #230 by TherePercy on 2011.06.19 - 12:05 pm

      I would think that that is exactly what option #3 is. However, if you mean what I think you mean, you suggest that only if the clubleader specifically requests, would a clubname be restored.
      I think that is getting too detailed. Even if you have 20 clubs, under option #3, they would be empty, so even if those were all restored to you, it would take minimal effort on your part to ‘leave group’, thus dissolving it.

      • #231 by Kayleigh Lace on 2011.06.20 - 8:39 am

        Percy!!!! It’s good to see you πŸ™‚

    • #232 by Dalriada Everywhere on 2011.06.19 - 12:24 pm

      A clubleader can always delete their club is they don’t want it anymore… so your option then would be nr3 πŸ˜‰

      • #233 by jimony on 2011.06.19 - 2:49 pm

        I would prefer option 1. Start fresh, but leave the existing names so Percy and the (hopefully) few others that want their existing clubs saved would have them. I suppose if only the clubs of members who return are restored, it won’t be overrun, but I felt there were way too many clubs than needed near the end of There. It would be nice to start fresh with them without the previous leaders losing the rights to their favorites.

    • #234 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.19 - 4:24 pm

      • #235 by Xcal Urradio on 2011.06.23 - 5:51 am

        Hey Salty I think what your doing here with the Virtual MW is a great Idea and very cool …you rock GF

      • #236 by SaltySilver on 2011.06.23 - 7:59 am

        Thanks Xcal, It’s fun to do and enjoyable to help to the There Community.

    • #237 by Percepti0n on 2011.06.20 - 4:53 pm

      I have to agree with jimony, using a mixture of option 1 and 3… Start fresh but allow an option to the club leader when they return whether they’d like to reclaim their clubs or not and if they choose ‘NO’, the club is then deleted and can be remade by someone. The only problem here is if a club leader does not return, how would it be dealt with then? Would the club eventually be deleted after a certain timeframe?

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