Weekend Update

Here’s the status as of Sunday:

  • As of last night, the migration was about 50% complete.
  • There is no order to the migration. It’s not by Year joined, it’s not by when you signed up, it’s non-deterministic. So we can’t tell you when your stuff will be restored.
  • Making posts, sending emails, or calling the office will not make your stuff arrive any sooner. In fact, it will probably slow it down.
  • No, we don’t know when yours will be done.

Ok, that’s the obligatory migration update.

Here are some answers to some popular questions:

  • When your Buddy and Ignore lists are restored, the Ignores will be re-ignored only if they have already registered. That means that if your ignoree joins after your buddy list is restored, you will have to re-ignore them. We know that will disturb some people but it’s how it works when we don’t restore the several million avatars who were there when we closed.
  • When you recover a legacy avatar, your avatar template and skin color should already match your legacy avatar. But, your outfits and looksets don’t re-appear until we restore your buddies and gear.
  • Even though you don’t see your vehicles, paintguns, and props in ThereIM, we have restored them. You just can’t see them in ThereIM (because you can’t use them). They’re there, really.
  • When we migrate stuff, your transaction history will show a transaction for each item migrated. Your old transaction history is gone, so don’t panic if you can’t see it.
  • We are aware of an issue with real email addresses showing up in some types of Club Invitations. This is because we no longer support ThereMail (and probably never will). (ThereMail was the feature which let you email “michaelwilson@there.com” (for example), and it would end up in my InBox. We’ll have to come up with a replacement, but meanwhile, we’re going to fix bug so real emails don’t show up.

And now, for some more general items:

  • We know there are bugs in ThereIM, but we’re probably not going to focus on them, because we think you’d rather us work on the 3D world.
  • There are rumors running around the community about “fixed” versions of ThereIM, patches, etc. We urge you not to listen to them, and not to use them. We can’t take responsibility for what they are, or, of course, any damage they might do. Given that we’ve already seen one (fake) “hack” program, I think we should all be careful what we install on our computers.
  • There is a Hair Patch out there which contains assets which are probably property of MTV (from the VMTV days). Please do not install it. We really don’t need the legal hassles which go with it.

I think that’s all for now. I’ll have a 3D world update tomorrow. Bruce found an amazingly elusive bug last week to do with “FPU Precision Resets” which was troubling us a bit (it turned out to be a missing semicolon!). This was the biggest unexplained issue with the 3D world. But more on that later.

P.S. Up to the minute update: we’re now 73.4% done.

  1. #1 by plainmoose on 2011.09.08 - 6:18 pm

    I got my invite,,,,it tells me my avi name and password are wrong and i know there not…..what can i do ????? help

  2. #2 by Rynnifer on 2011.08.22 - 12:40 pm

    Yall are doing a wonderful job!!!

  3. #3 by Monique Mzhickteno on 2011.08.20 - 10:34 am

    Hello, I remembered my old avatar name, but I couldn’t remember my old password, and so I clicked on the link in the email provided to help me, and so I could reset it. It said it would send me a new one, but it’s been about 45 minutes and nothing has come to my email. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  4. #4 by bhrocky on 2011.08.16 - 7:16 pm

    Good evening all,
    Ok just a Question here Havent much time to be keeping up on stuff. Is There IM still a Invite only? I gone to There.com and did the invite stuff got every thing back that I was exseted woohoo been working 15Hr Days on the farm.


  5. #5 by Joshua on 2011.08.16 - 8:34 am

    Why wont my there IM work??

  6. #6 by Presence on 2011.08.15 - 8:25 pm

    Please let me know when you have come up with a way, or have time to help figure out a new password for a legacy account. I moved and had to change internet providers, so that e-mail account doesn’t work anymore. I know what it was, but unfortunatly have no access to it. I know you guys are extremely busy, so when you get around to it, I would appreciate it.


    • #7 by Presence on 2011.08.15 - 8:59 pm

      lol…. hope that didn’t sound like an “anytime now” comment. I read your post on the situation and know you have bigger fish to fry at the moment. Seriously thanks to eveyone that is working so hard on getting everything back together! It was very exciting to get my first avi (Presence) back, and get all his inventory back a few days later. Nothing like coming home!!!!

  7. #8 by _Taz on 2011.08.15 - 7:33 pm

    Excited for a 3D world update.

  8. #9 by Eatings on 2011.08.15 - 6:37 pm

    You’re talking about it not stealing from there.com when really it is. You’re not seeing it the way justagreatguy and I are seeing it.
    He’s saying that by downloading the hair patch you are stealing from there.coms income. If you want better hair, you should pay for it. Not download a patch that makes your hair look better. Ontop of that, you don’t know who else has the patch. So! You’re wearing that hideous hair anyway. No offense to the there designers(;

    Just don’t download the hair patch. Simple as that. Also be careful of what you download. You never know what kind of viruses people are trying to hive you. Or even a simple keylOgger for that matter.

    Sorry this isn’t under the reply on the post, I’m on my iPhone and it doesn’t give me that option.

    • #10 by soybean on 2011.08.15 - 7:56 pm

      they still had to buy the hideous hair to own the template for what fake hairstyle they wanted.in fact the fake hair used some of the less popular there hairstyles that they normally wouldnt have bought.
      like david h said what you do to your own computer is on you.
      besides its really woman thing.lol

    • #11 by soybean on 2011.08.15 - 8:22 pm

      besides the hairpatch i think everyone is talking about comes from a very trustworthy person and if i wanted the hairpatch i wouldnt be afraid to install it.

      • #12 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.15 - 8:33 pm

        Well, except for the fact you’d be stealing.

        We take this stuff very seriously. Just ask…oh wait, you can’t because they’re banned and got nice letters from our attorneys. Never Mind.

  9. #13 by Here in there on 2011.08.15 - 6:16 pm

    54 more days till i can reclaim my life baack ๐Ÿ˜€

  10. #14 by kelayna on 2011.08.15 - 6:00 pm

    Welcome back Max ๐Ÿ™‚

  11. #15 by Drezdon on 2011.08.15 - 4:54 pm

    Hello! So glad to be back! Please add me again under my normal there.com name “Drezdon” keen to get back racing! Zip, Katz, Traindawg WHERE YOU AT!

  12. #16 by SlayingDavo0 on 2011.08.15 - 4:47 pm

    Why are people asking for their stuff to return back to them? it’s not like we can get in world [YET] and use them. Chill out everyone!

  13. #17 by Meaghan Waller (@Meaghan00566) on 2011.08.15 - 4:45 pm

    Hi, though I probably sound annoying… All my eye colors have restored.. But none of my clothing :S I recovered my avatar on August 8th.. and as I recall I didn’t give all my stuff away..

  14. #18 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.08.15 - 4:42 pm

    WOW! Try going to ThereIM SHOP…. you can buy all kinds for great stuff for your skill level if you have not already… I got portazones, jutebox, building sets… ITS LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS and fun while wait (patiently) wait! I am so happy I’m gonna *pop*.

  15. #19 by Taelos Katran on 2011.08.15 - 4:08 pm

    Will we get our neighborhood zones back? If not right away can the ground they sit upon be reserved to avoid issues between established communities returning to There, and squatters setting out Pazes where the neighborhood previously was? Research in online communities points out that it is important for communities not to loose the “identity” they had from a sense of “place” in There. From running the NCD Group I know there are communities out there who want this. Hope there is a way to keep these communities together.

  16. #20 by martin71 on 2011.08.15 - 2:51 pm

    hi there Michael Wilson i have a alt avi called odyssey_funzone can you change his email address please to odyssey1970@live.co.uk so i can get him back in the world please thank you


  17. #21 by Drakez on 2011.08.15 - 2:35 pm

    Just because I’m recovering my avatars doesn’t mean I’m obligated to pay when the time comes right?

    • #22 by David H on 2011.08.15 - 3:33 pm

      You don’t have to pay for each and every avatar you have, only if you want to keep them ๐Ÿ™‚

  18. #23 by hdo0oi on 2011.08.15 - 2:12 pm

    I got my inventory back …. yaaaaaay extremly happy xD

    Thanks u guyz .. Thank u MW

  19. #24 by alexandria3178 on 2011.08.15 - 1:33 pm

    Is there some sort of limitation on who can invite themselves? I have been trying to resurrect my avi. Alexandria3178 and I get no invitatio, even after 3 requests. No e-mail going into spam or my there folder, deleted items folder or even inbox. nowhere to be found.

    • #25 by alexandria3178 on 2011.08.15 - 2:27 pm

      ok finally got 4 invites all at once.

      When my avi is migrated, do I get to keep the additional 550T I have?

    • #26 by alexandria3178 on 2011.08.15 - 2:28 pm

      Do I getto keep my IG star?

      • #27 by mimi06 on 2011.08.15 - 6:18 pm

        Sorry, NO IG star, there will be no need for it at this time.. and yyes we keep the 550t gift ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. #28 by softNdark on 2011.08.15 - 1:17 pm

    Yeah….. Baby…..

    softNdark is “Back…. Dressed To Kill”

    Thank You Guy’s!!!

  21. #29 by Jerry on 2011.08.15 - 12:54 pm

    Those hair patches can only be seen by others I think that have the patch installed. I wouldn’t think this petty little hairpatch program that others are giving away would be a lawsuit against your company. You have nothing to do with the patch. I don’t know if Mtv even cares about a few avatar hair they created. Maybe a few hours work. They would probably look at it as frivolous. But you never know. I won’t install the hairpatch anyway. If only 3% of the people see you wearing it and the hair you must wear to use it is a bad hairdo then why use it?

    • #30 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.15 - 1:50 pm

      Unfortunately, as much as I would like it to be true, that’s not how the law works, or how companies view the use of goods they paid for. Just substitute the name of your favorite designer for “Large Media Company” and see if you still think it’s ok.

      • #31 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 2:38 pm

        The way I see it is the hair patch is like stealing from There. It is not from There but it is hair that you get free instead of buying it from There. It is stealing from There’s pocket because you never paid for your new hair and There lost a sale. Also you are using it to run on There.com that There has to pay for. That’s why There sales items to help pay for running There. Then we wonder why There closed the first time. People downloading free items and not paying for things to help keep There running does not help. So please if you want to keep There up this time we all need to support There every time we can. Please pay for the things (items) you use in There, or you might be wondering where did There go!

      • #32 by soybean on 2011.08.15 - 3:55 pm

        the hair patch is running on top of there on your own computer.how can you see it as stealing from there?its kind of like saying changing the background pitchure on your desktop as stealing from microsoft.
        the fake image of the hair is only seen by those with the patch installed.

        personally i tried the patch one time and said man this makes my avie look gay rofl.

      • #33 by soybean on 2011.08.15 - 4:05 pm

        this does bring of the question of “nude patches”.now that There will be 18+ will they be frowned upon like the old days?

      • #34 by David H on 2011.08.15 - 6:09 pm

        There inc. would say, whatever people do on their own machines is their own funeral.
        You wanna make naked people, oh well, good luck to you.

      • #35 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 8:18 pm

        At the top of this page in the update it says:
        (There is a Hair Patch out there which contains assets which are probably property of MTV (from the VMTV days). Please do not install it. We really donโ€™t need the legal hassles which go with it.)

        Maybe you don’t care about the legal hassles or don’t care you were asked not to use it isn’t that good enough?
        I was just saying spend your money in There instead of getting free stuff that runs in There if you want to help keep There open. I’m sure these patches are not fair to There. If you download it for free and not buy from There then There lost money and we all know that There needs the money to stay open (as we seen). I’m sure There.com does not have the money Microsoft has so I think it would hurt alot more.

  22. #36 by JonmiChel on 2011.08.15 - 12:30 pm

    Hello, I’ve asked this several times but you people just ignore me or even you MW. I don’t know about this question and I can’t find the answer in previous updates. Can ya just take 1 min to answer me PLEASE? Thanks YOU!

    I couldn’t invite myself at the time. Can you please tell me how do i do to reclaim my avvie and enter ThereIM with all you people?? I’m sure that may take 1 min or even less to answer. THANKS YOU, AGAIN. Geez.

    • #37 by SoledadNegativa on 2011.08.15 - 1:54 pm


      Refer to the top of this page, Post # 12 from XSnoopy for answer…

    • #38 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.15 - 2:14 pm

      Step1: Go to http://www.there.com and click the link at the bottom left or click here: http://webapps.prod.there.com/scripts/resurrection.py

      Step 2: Go to your email and follow ALL of the instructions step by step.

      Step 3: Recreate your avatar (and use the same name and password as before)

      Step 4: Log in to There IM and have fun!

      Note: All of your items (clothing, buddies Etc.) will take time to re-appear in the IM, be patient.

    • #39 by JonmiChel on 2011.08.15 - 4:37 pm

      Great, thanks you guys. The problem was that I couldn’t see the new website with Google Chrome (It keeped appearing the bloody old website without nothing, just sign in and register. I’m waiting for my stuff to be restored. THANKS YOU!

  23. #40 by Eatings on 2011.08.15 - 12:22 pm

    K so, instead of sitting at a computer waiting for the next update, everyone should join me at cesars palace in Las Vegas at the 7 pools(: it’s a lot better than sitting at the computer waiting for a new update. Or even if your stuff hasn’t migrated yet, this is an excellent way to pass time.!
    I’m basically saying, stop bugging for a new update, or annoying them with useless emails asking when your stuff will arrive. You’re just slowing the process. It’ll be back before you know it, if you spend your time doing something fun!

    • #41 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 2:26 pm

      Ok I can go cesars palace in Las Vegas, it sounds fun! You will need to pick me up, I live in IOWA. So what time should I be looking for you?

  24. #42 by Grimm on 2011.08.15 - 12:14 pm

    Found a couple of little question marks in the transaction history – deleted and cancelled items followed by what I imagine is the DOID number – I’m imagining one of these headings refers to stuff like Coke items – but what does the other refer to?

  25. #43 by DodgeBoy101 on 2011.08.15 - 11:03 am

    So how exactly am I suppose to get on There when you fix it? In other words, I dont understand if you already have fixed the “invite me”.
    So please let my stupid self know

    • #44 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.15 - 1:17 pm

      Is there any way you can translate this into english?

      The “invite me” does work, It’s on the bottom left of http://www.there.com …and only the IM (Instant Messanger) is up and running at the moment.
      The “World” will be up and running at a later date depending on when the team thinks it’s bearable for GP’s to weed out the bugs.

  26. #45 by Jypsi on 2011.08.15 - 10:41 am

    Yippy,got my stuff back,thanks guys ๐Ÿ™‚

  27. #46 by auggie on 2011.08.15 - 10:33 am

    reclaimed my avie
    why can’t i download there i.m. ??? the link won’t work..

    • #47 by Aaron on 2011.08.15 - 11:19 am

      Read the email.

    • #48 by Jordy26 on 2011.08.15 - 11:20 am

      Use the one in your EMAIL instead.

      • #49 by auggie on 2011.08.15 - 2:04 pm

        Never got one..

    • #50 by Amoux on 2011.08.15 - 8:56 pm

      Check your junk mail folder? For your avie to have been reclaimed there should also have been an email.

  28. #51 by _Taz on 2011.08.15 - 9:56 am

    Yay it’s all back:)

  29. #52 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 9:30 am

    Wow MaxSMoke! Great guy, Always willing to hang out and talk and show you all the cool stuff he is doing, I miss that guy!! Please add me to your buddy list, Buddy!!

  30. #53 by freakygirl_tps on 2011.08.15 - 9:21 am

    I have a question, would you ever consider bringing back the lending and borrowing of clothing in the 3D world? I remember it when i first started years ago, but then the feature was removed. Not sure if there was a particular reason why.

    • #54 by Camel on 2011.08.15 - 10:43 am

      I’m afraid you imagined that, because it is not possible to implement lending clothing given the way our inventories work. I’m certainly not an expert on how this stuff works, but I think my understanding of it is correct – I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

      An object that gets placed in the world is called a distributed object (dob – the ids assigned to these objects are called doids, which you can see when you hit ctrl+shift+d). This is a very general term for things – it applies to avatars, non-drop (old style) signs like the two team scoreboard, zones, and even scenes. The other major type of object is a paper object (or pob – their ids are called poids), which is something that appears in your inventory. Most dobs have an associated pob – for example, a vehicle/drink/prop has a record that appears in your inventory even when you take it out in world. Zone deeds are also pobs associated with the physical zone dob, although most avatars don’t have the privilege required to ‘put away’ a zone.

      When something is lent to another avatar, the pob remains in the owners inventory, but the dob gets “put away” in to an alternate avatar. This is the same thing that happens if you walk up to someone else’s buggy and click ‘put away’ on its action tag. The problem with lending clothing is that it exists only as a pob, not as a dob, because it doesn’t manifest as its own object in the world; it is something that is applied to your avatar’s dob. Because of this, someone can’t “put away” the dob while you still have the pob in your inventory. Does that make sense?

      For what it’s worth, this is the same reason you can’t lend add-on kits; they never get their own dob, you simply apply the pob to a zone, and that counts towards the zone’s drop limit.

      Anyway, it might technically be possible to change how this works, but given the complexity of such an undertaking, I can assure you that it definitely is not worth the effort. I would be pretty annoyed if they wasted cycles to change how lipstick gets applied to your face instead of on opening the 3d world.

      • #55 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.15 - 1:10 pm

        Camel: Teach me oh wise one!

      • #56 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:29 pm

        That was an amazingly good explanation of the very significant difference between items you can’t, say, lay out at a yard sale in a PAZ (like lip colors, eyebrow colors, hairdos, and clothing) and those you can (like buggies, paintball guns, hoverboards, and so forth). You even explained why some things you can display inside a house (or porta-home, in most cases) can’t be dropped in a PAZ (artwork that hangs on the house’s wall “hooks”, for instance). Offhand, I can’t think of an exception to what you describe (which would be either a “paper object” that can be lent, or a distributed object that can’t).

        I do note that clothing items can be “rented” from the catalog (and, IIRC, from auctions if the seller set them up that way, at least the last year or so There was open); I suspect that, once the 3D world is open again, one might be able to simulate lending a clothing item, hairdo, etc. by setting up a private auction with a rental option and rental price of zero — but this might only work for the creator of an item (I don’t recall if that option was available for items I’d bought, or only for those I made).

      • #57 by freakygirl_tps on 2011.08.15 - 2:44 pm

        Oh and I wasn’t worried about that anytime soon, but instead after everything’s already done. Even if it were months for now, just putting that idea out there.

      • #58 by freakygirl_tps on 2011.08.15 - 2:45 pm


      • #59 by Camel on 2011.08.15 - 9:38 pm

        ImageMaker: There are many exceptions (dobs that can’t be lent) – any object that was designed with the intention of being a permanent world structure falls in to this category (scenes and every type of zone in particular). However, this does not mean that the system does not support these objects being lent, only that there’s no user interface to make it happen. If you’ve got a large inventory, and you ever logged in during the crashy avman days of 2009, you probably remember logging in to see half of the things in your inventory (even things that can’t normally be lent) appearing as “(not yours)” – this is how the client displays dobs which are put away in your avatar if it can’t see the pob.

        Whether you try, rent, or buy an item, a new instance of that item is created and put in your inventory. For trials and rentals, that item will have an expiration time, after which point the object will no longer be usable – however, that object will continue to exist for all eternity. This, in addition to avatars that will never return to world, is probably what MW was referring to when he expressed how much “junk” is in the system that is no longer needed, thus the need to import old data in to a new, clean database.

        freakygirl_fps: Even if there were no technical reason for why it can’t be done/shouldn’t be done/is hard to do, I would still be opposed to lending clothing. It hurts merchants, and angry merchants means crappy clothes. Just sayin’.

    • #60 by freakygirl_tps on 2011.08.15 - 2:43 pm

      All of that hurt my brain, lol! Well I know that they used to have it that way, where you could lend clothing. When i first started like 7years ago that was, haha.

  31. #61 by RAY on 2011.08.15 - 9:10 am

    oh and no spades or uno tables dont we get thouse back ???

  32. #62 by RAY on 2011.08.15 - 9:08 am

    hey Mw i dont see my dogs in the transaction history hope they are ok and not passed away ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  33. #63 by Lady_Jewel on 2011.08.15 - 8:12 am

    So glad it’s 74% done! Enjoying There IM so much already! Thank you guys for all your hard work ๐Ÿ˜€

  34. #64 by 1_n_million on 2011.08.15 - 8:02 am

    Hey Mr. Wilson, I have been trying to invite my Avie (1_n_million) but the email notification doesn’t show up in my regular mail, or my spam.

  35. #65 by Mr_Perry on 2011.08.15 - 7:37 am

    WOOT WOOT!! my profile was restored this morning. THANK YOU!
    I see you are not going to fix bugs in IM and I understand.

    Dan says my avie/IM is the most messed up he has seen to date.

    IM beta worked flawlessly on my machine.
    but I deleted it to install the “new and improved” version
    any chance i could get a copy of the beta intall back?

    • #66 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.15 - 7:42 am

      Ummm. Beta Version? New and Improved version? What are you referring to?

      • #67 by acemastter on 2011.08.15 - 3:41 pm

        Hm sound like some one downloaded i 3-rd party thereim rofl theres only one ver and were all on it lol

        p.s. hope that 3-rd party thereim dont get you hacked lol

      • #68 by nalora on 2011.08.15 - 5:18 pm

        Many people (myself included) keep older versions of programs on our computers. I just called one friend who has not shown up on my buddy list yet to make sure she is trying to resurrect her avatar, and she asked me if she should delete her old versians of ThereIM. Many people also save the exe files as well from all their downloads. I have My There Beta from 2003 in my Terabyte book.

        One of the things I have had to do in quite a few chats is to “pass on” the warning that older versions are not currently supported. Not everyone who was in There reads this blog or forums elsewhere and a lot of misinformation has to be corrected.

      • #69 by Mr_Perry on 2011.08.16 - 6:19 am

        Before there closed and for a short time after I was using Threre IM beta.
        new and improved= recent version

        I know ya’ll are busy
        I know IM is not your focus

        I have done everything Dan suggested including unintalling and reinstalling
        since I got migrated I can’t even chat
        I can log in but if I do ANYTHING it crashes
        can someone please help?
        pretty please with megabits on top?

        p.s. why are we all so concerned about skin color?
        can’t we all just get along?
        after all its what ‘s INSIDE that counts

      • #70 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.16 - 6:29 am

        We believe the ThereIM we’re giving you the URL to is the latest and greatest. What is this version you speak of?

      • #71 by Mr_Perry on 2011.08.16 - 8:59 am

        The one I downloaded from the link in my invitation is the one im using…. all I am asking for is someone to tell me how to make it work.
        at least before I uninstalled and reinstalled i couild chat a few min before sevvio crash
        now I cant do anything.
        I have quadruple checked that I did everything correctly.
        can someone please help me.

  36. #72 by Orla on 2011.08.15 - 7:37 am

    I am missing some clothing ‘sad. I know this to be true 110%. Not sure why it all didn’t load up , but , we will see when everything is finished.

  37. #73 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 7:19 am

    I’m curious…
    When you do your next update, could you include the approximate number of people that have registered? Last time you mentioned it, it was over 1000.
    With the number of avies showing up on my buddies list, that number must be WAY up there.
    GP, xSnoopy

  38. #74 by Escape on 2011.08.15 - 7:15 am

    ….”a 3D world update”… coming soon? I am salivating (gonna puke again)…….Does it get any better than this?

  39. #75 by Syntech on 2011.08.15 - 7:05 am

    I am missing my cokecola stuff and I see others got theres lol lucky me.

    • #76 by Syntech on 2011.08.15 - 7:08 am

      Well actually I think I am missing a bit more sadly. Like some pants and shirts

  40. #77 by RRTT on 2011.08.15 - 7:02 am

    Are the people on our buddy list only people who have recovered their avi, or is it everyone that used to be on our list. I would think only people who have recovered their avi, but I’m surprised to see some of the names I see.

    • #78 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:33 pm

      Only those who have (at least) recreated their avie show on your buddy list. I had 60+ buddies at closing, around 70% of those long inactive (avatars I hadn’t seen in literally years, in some cases); none of those long-inactives have reappeared yet (except Dweeb, who apparently was less gone than seemed the case).

  41. #79 by Kirmeo Wingwalker on 2011.08.15 - 6:58 am

    I actually ran into a FPU precision bug before. A library was setting it to use less precision and not restoring it. They didn’t think it mattered. Hm.. It mattered enough for them to change the settings. Why wouldn’t they restore the setting? It took me three days to track that one down and it wasn’t even my bug.

    • #80 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:39 pm

      My impression (based on bugs I’ve seen and fixed long ago in BASIC programs distributed as listings) is that most programmers are too lazy to do thorough testing, or simply don’t know how. And yes, that applies to those on staff of major software companies who sell operating systems, compilers and libraries.

  42. #81 by mevseveryone on 2011.08.15 - 6:58 am

    finally got my stuff back :))
    thank you for your hard work! so excited for the world to open

  43. #82 by Indy_Lou on 2011.08.15 - 6:47 am

    It’s interesting to see how many of the -18 are getting back in. Seen about three I know of back on my buddies list.

  44. #83 by Winged on 2011.08.15 - 6:32 am

    THERE official reopen is getting near more and more to my birthday(18, i shell be legal HOZZA!) can’t wait for the 7th of october to skip happily and register myself again.
    And amazing progress, i was searching for pics of people who are in to see how it looks like but couldn’t find. Ah well self experience is better.
    can’t wait.

  45. #84 by Brandyn Rlp There on 2011.08.15 - 6:18 am

    Woohoo Got my clothes back today. Right as soon as I logged on this morning. Was so great to see my things again. ‘tu Thank you MW, Samsyn, and Bruce! You guys have really out done yourself’s!
    I’ll be happy to pay that Monthly payment when it comes around! ๐Ÿ™‚

  46. #85 by JasonMK on 2011.08.15 - 5:54 am

    YES! A word on the 3D world! That’s what I have been waiting for. I’m excited to have ThereIM up and running and to have my avatar reclaimed, but let’s face it, There2’s 3D world is what we are all truly waiting for. Thanks MW.

  47. #86 by Christy Clendenen on 2011.08.15 - 5:38 am

    Thanks for the update Commander ๐Ÿ˜›

  48. #87 by martin71 on 2011.08.15 - 5:15 am

    thank you for my stuff great job no bugs to report as yet from me .. one small thing tho i have another avi for my funzone the email i used for him as been lost but i have another ready for him as he was the main man for the fun side of things .. could you please help or is there another of getting him thx


    • #88 by martin71 on 2011.08.15 - 8:44 am

      my other avi was odyssey_funzone i just wanted to bring my other avi in so i can get my things back to my main avi like funzone deed and and the race tracks signs and the buggy jmd buggy and then it can be closed for good after that so it dont use resourses many thanks Michael Wilson it would be a great help if you could thank you


      • #89 by Unknown on 2011.08.15 - 2:43 pm

        Dang man, can’t do nothing without that deed. Hope MW helps you out on this one.

  49. #90 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 5:09 am

    Hey Max,
    Welcome back!!
    Go to http://www.there.com.
    Go to the lower left corner of the page and click on “Invite me now”. Fill in the Legacy Avatar Name and the Email address your going to be using presently. NOT the old one unless its still active and you have access to it.
    You will receive an email, in a couple of mins.
    Follow the email instructions carefully. You WILL be using the Avatars OLD password, the same one you were using when There closed on 3-9-2010.
    When your done creating your Legacy Avatar (in this case, “MaxSmoke) and the progress bar, at the top, is done, go to the top of the page and, in the small rectangular boxes, enter your Legacy avie’s name and Password. Click Login and you should end up at There Central.
    Your Legacy avatar is now registered.
    More email coming.
    Read all of it and follow the instructions exactingly.
    Your going to have to do a “copy” and Paste” in the ThereIM (once it’s installed) Properties box. It has to be downloaded, the old one won’t work. If you copy and paste right, you should be able to log into IM.
    It’s going to take some time for the Migration of all your clothing to happen. It could be a few days because of the large numbers of people signing up.
    If you have any problems, email me at xSnoopy@excite.com .. I will be glad to help.
    GP, xSnoopy

    • #91 by mystic1there on 2011.08.15 - 1:06 pm

      Great directions, Snoopy.



  50. #92 by Ltbigdog There on 2011.08.15 - 5:09 am

    Is anyone else haveing a problem trying to get the password reset on a avie. I got the invite but I every time I have requested a new pw it says “We have tried to reset the password for the old avatar: (name) The new password has been emailed to: (email address) and so on. I have been at it for a few days and no luck. And no its not ending up in the spam folder and yes the email address is correct.

    • #93 by Bronnieb There on 2011.08.15 - 2:12 pm

      Hi…I had to get a new password too and it took a bit of time ….so I tried again and bingo! Hope this helps and not hinders ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #94 by Amxscott on 2011.08.15 - 3:41 pm

      Yes I am having the same problem. My avie Avalon_Island. I thought I had the correct password but it did not work so I went to the reset the password and typed in his Yahoo e-mail address. It said it would send me an e-mail and it has not. I checked the account and it sends and receives fine and nothing in the spam folder. I figured there was a problem somewhere with so many people using this feature.

  51. #95 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 5:06 am

    I see I have my buddies back on IM, I want to know if these are people that restored there new accounts or just old avatars I had on my buddy list who were there when we closed and might or might not be restored?

  52. #96 by Bronnieb There on 2011.08.15 - 5:02 am

    Cant believe how hard the team us working on this…thankyou all. Spent the night playing dressups lol!!! Thanks again guys ๐Ÿ™‚

  53. #97 by Jordy26 on 2011.08.15 - 2:32 am

    Oh come on people. Stop complaining about pale skin or bushy eyebrows. We all know that can be changed within the spa when the world is available so let Michael, Bruce and SamSyn work on the more important areas.

    I’ve seen 1 or 2 small errors, but then I know they’ll eventually be fixed along with everything else and well, they are. Didn’t need to add to the already growing complaints here on the blog.

    So thanks Michael, SamSyn and Bruce for the work so far.

    • #98 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 7:14 am


      A M E N !!

    • #99 by Celtic on 2011.08.15 - 10:38 am

      I’m quite happy and content to be patient and let them get the kinks of this process worked out, but I also think it’s important for us to let them know what isn’t going as they expected. They had expected the avatars to re-appear exactly as they did when the world closed, for some of us-that hasn’t happened. Wanting our avatars to look like they did for years and years isn’t a small concern, the avatar for some of us has been our There identity for years and years. If it’s superficial stuff like just getting to a spa and re-selecting our old skin tone color, it’s easy to fix, but if we have to go to the spa and restructure the entire face and body, well, that’s another thing entirely and something that, I think should be brought up so it can be addressed. I’m glad that I’m not the only one that has experienced this problem, and I’m glad that they are aware of it now.

  54. #100 by SB on 2011.08.15 - 2:30 am

    Awesome work MW and There Team! I seen all my things restored. Only issue I’ve noted is my avie skin tone isn’t what it used to be (caramel)….but goodness, I’m not complaining at all. Thanks again for all the hard work!! ๐Ÿ™‚

  55. #101 by Barbie Doll on 2011.08.15 - 2:29 am

    I’m all migrated but I still look like a newbie ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  56. #102 by Okalnix on 2011.08.15 - 1:51 am

    The color of the avie skin or the eyebrows are not the big thing.
    Relax all.

    Thank you for the update.

  57. #103 by mmeodiles on 2011.08.15 - 1:37 am

    Hey Max, so great to see you back..I am ready to get back to work anytime! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  58. #104 by kazenoai on 2011.08.15 - 1:18 am


  59. #105 by softNdark on 2011.08.15 - 1:14 am

    Thank You, Guy’s
    For the Very hard work, done over the Weekend!!!!! And the Updates!!!

  60. #106 by NoBioN on 2011.08.15 - 12:37 am

    All works fine.

    Having problems restoring a hood manager avatar alt. I simply never recieve a invitation email.

    Looking forward to next update

  61. #107 by JonmiChel on 2011.08.15 - 12:00 am

    Cool Update. MW, I couldn’t invite myself when that thing was on the website . Does that mean I can’t reclaim my old avvie? I would appreciate you answer me since nobody seems to know that. TC.
    PS: All these people who couldn’t invite themselves? Do they have to wait?

  62. #108 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.08.14 - 11:56 pm

    Oh.. I found an easy way to view the remaining inventory that ThereIM doesn’t show.

    Simply go to your avatar’s profile, then at the top of the page select “transaction history”.
    It will take you to your transaction history where your complete inventory is listed.

    I discovered while viewing this that I had already migrated all my things from my alts just before there.com closed.
    I even saw I had my cast iron frying pan from my other avatar. (handy for fryin up “calamari”)

    • #109 by BronnieB on 2011.08.15 - 4:05 pm

      Thankyou so Much Lady ๐Ÿ™‚ I forgot I had some of this stuff!!! Mind you don’t tell MW or the team but I would have gladly paid to come back with just the clothes on my avies back ๐Ÿ˜‰

  63. #110 by boxingtosteruk on 2011.08.14 - 10:10 pm

    ๐Ÿ˜ฆ Still waiting on my inventory, I’m getting a lot of old buddies back though.

  64. #111 by Grimm on 2011.08.14 - 8:26 pm

    Looks like all of the clothing showed up just fine for me, but saving looks doesn’t seem to work. I can change one part at a time just fine, but when I try to load a lookset I’ve saved, it kind of freezes the interface.

    Still – absolutely OVERJOYED to be back ๐Ÿ™‚

    Oh, and my T$ balance is quite nice as well ๐Ÿ˜›

    • #112 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.14 - 8:28 pm

      Yah, we know about that. Don’t spend anything you shouldn’t have :-).

      • #113 by Grimm on 2011.08.14 - 8:37 pm

        Sooooo… which part do you know about already? lol

      • #114 by Striker194 on 2011.08.14 - 9:25 pm

        Suspicious activity!!!!

    • #115 by Barbie Doll on 2011.08.15 - 2:44 am

      How are you changing looksets in ThereIM??

  65. #116 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.14 - 8:03 pm

    “Bruce found an amazingly elusive bug last week to do with โ€œFPU Precision Resetsโ€ which was troubling us a bit (it turned out to be a missing semicolon!). ”

    And a VERY tasty semicolin it was too…sorry Bruce! I’ll try to stick to hyphens from here on out.

    “We know there are bugs in ThereIM, but weโ€™re probably not going to focus on them, because we think youโ€™d rather us work on the 3D world. ”

    I’d be all for fixing those bugs (with the exception of the Segs of corse), if I could run people over with buggys, or slide them with PB guns!

    Go go Team Phoenix!

    • #117 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 2:09 pm

      Please fix the 3D world NOT THE IM, you can fix the bugs in the IM on your spare time AFTER The world is up and running.

      • #118 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 2:18 pm

        And BIG THANKS to every one working on There, GREAT JOB!!!

  66. #119 by Superjuice on 2011.08.14 - 8:02 pm

    73.4% done and a 3D world update tomorrow? OMG I cant wait! Were getting so close i can taste it! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #120 by Mark B. (Cowbellwalken) on 2011.08.15 - 3:52 am

      You sure you can taste it? I’d imagine it to be slightly tingly and a little dusty. ๐Ÿ˜€

      But absolutely; I’m excited as hell for the whatever update is about to be unleashed. Now that my avie is all geared up I can’t wait to get my vehicles back and go for a very long and uninterrupted ride into nowhere.

      • #121 by Superjuice on 2011.08.15 - 2:58 pm


  67. #122 by MrScrooge on 2011.08.14 - 8:02 pm

    For those of you who have been migrated and are bored, you have your skill up gift certificates in your inventory. You can go to skill rewards in the There shop and do a little shopping. I didn’t know about this until Mimi mentioned it to me. I had a load of fun shopping and whetted my appetite for our wonderful world.

    I also wanted to mention how cool it is to see names show up on my IM friend list that I haven’t seen since There closed. I’m sad to see that Phill41 and Sheri72 haven’t come back yet but I’m hoping they both will make an appearance soon. I have also noticed that none of the There Testers have been migrated. The thought of no Testers for me to collect and no Phill for me to annoy sends deep pains of sorrow to my little scroogey heart. In fact, I may have to start bashing someone else to Zephyr. Mimi, I’m looking in your direction. And what the heck, Jimony — I’m looking in your direction, too! Kidding, kidding. I knew you two could take a joke. But am I really kidding?

    To be continued. . .


    • #123 by mimi06 on 2011.08.15 - 3:00 am

      lol scroogy. I find it hard to believe others aren’t making many comments on the FREE shopping spree we have been given. If anything yes, was awsome to see all the itmes from World, remind us of what fun we had!
      As for Zephyr.. ermm, the only thing I can tell you about that pace is the sand stings ya face after a while hahaha… hugs scroogy!

      • #124 by MrScrooge on 2011.08.15 - 7:47 am

        Hugs Mimi โค you truly are a great person. I don't think I could shoot you or bash you, I would just feel too horrible about it LOL. Actually, I don't think I would be able to shoot anyone who is unarmed or run over anyone anymore.

        But I sure would love it if the Testers came back. Allow me to share one of my favorite memories of previous-There. One day, it was a weekend I think, I went out hunting Testers and managed to bring a few to Zephyr. This was nothing unusual, I was always bringing Testers to Zephyr which sometimes irritated the local population. But on this particular day the residents of Zephyr as a whole went out and we all kidnapped Testers and brought them to Zephyr. I remember one tricky Tester dared to be stubborn and landed in a place where you couldn't drive or shoot them from the outside. A friend, Fox, tried dropping dice on that sucker for about a good hour or so and guess what? He managed to knock that sucker out of there and we took it on over to Zephyr. It was a beautiful day, Snipers, Hellfish, and the unaffiliated joined in on a wonderful hobby — kidnapping Testers. We managed to get about 15 or 20 of them to Zephyr. Then later on that night a friend came in on an alt and bashed them out of their holding facility. LOL, I was so peeved off at the time but I got over it. Life's too short to cry over spilled Testers LOL!

        tl;dr Mimi is cool and I love There Testers

    • #125 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 7:10 am

      Your getting a little paranoid bud!
      Phill41 and Sheri72 will be back, they really are both masochistic!
      If you need someone to shoot around, I will gladly volunteer.
      Actually I was thinking of making up a “Tester” avie.
      BTW, Giggles is back and you know how she is when she is shot .. nothing but FUN this time!!

      • #126 by MrScrooge on 2011.08.15 - 8:02 am

        Hey Snoopy,

        Yay! I love hearing her giggle! I can’t help but smile, even on a bad day, when I hear that giggle.

        As for Phill, I loved his attitude. I know he wasn’t very popular for that reason. Truth is, he reminded me of a cat I used to own when I was a little kid. Sometimes when playing with the cat, his name was Skippy –no joke, we got a little rough with each other. When Skippy was really mad he would get right next to me and stand there eyes glaring and tail raging, waiting for a move. Phil reminds me of Skippy in that regard, I don’t know if Phill was for real or not but he brought some happiness to me when he came to Zephyr. On the last night of previous-There it was depressing to me to see him walk around when no one wanted to play his game, everyone was busy catching up and reliving old memories. Misery and I tried being real with him but he pretty much gave us the cold shoulder and spent the closing probably off by himself. I don’t want that to be my last memory of Phill.

        “Skippy Dippy was a hippie from Dixie, Mississippi.” I miss that cat

      • #127 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 6:03 pm

        Ya, I remember that night only to well, which makes the upcoming “next” night all the more special! ๐Ÿ™‚
        Tig and I did the same thing you and Misery did but got the same attitude from Phill41.
        There is a lesson in there somewhere but … You think Phill41 was fun?
        There must be something from my childhood that will help explain him but it is eluding me right now.
        Skippy? Your kidding, right? You made that name up, right? That name sure sounds like a well thought out coincidence. ๐Ÿ™‚
        Your playing with fire Scrooge! I have been to the back of the line! You ain’t gonna enjoy the long walk and the avieincinerator sounds way worse!! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #128 by jimony on 2011.08.15 - 11:47 am

      Looking in my direction for someone to bash?
      All I can say is I think someone has a Scrooge loose.

      Yes, I can take a joke. It’s like when I was a kid in the snow; go ahead, throw a snowball at me, I can use the ammo. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • #129 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 6:09 pm

        You are playing with fire, threatening Scrooge.
        I have seen him slide a There Test Avie all the way from Duda Beach to Zephyr.
        He is a killer with a paintball gun.
        Don’t say you weren’t warned!

      • #130 by jimony on 2011.08.16 - 2:01 am

        I’m not afraid, I can slide with the best of them.

  68. #131 by Skyefire on 2011.08.14 - 7:53 pm

    The bodies are definitely not as we left them.

    • #132 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.14 - 7:56 pm

      Ok. Clearly there’s a transporter malfunction. Let’s all be glad that’s the worst the happened.

      I’ll have Samsyn look into it.

      • #133 by coolnet on 2011.08.14 - 8:13 pm

        thank you. ๐Ÿ™‚ Yeah, i remember how my avi look and it didnt look pale at all. lol.

      • #134 by Skyefire on 2011.08.14 - 8:27 pm

        I double checked really close to make sure I was not giving you bad info. My skintone reverted to Vanilla but I know I ended the world Milk (have screenshots.) The new avatar was created Milk. None of my old looksets came back and I still have default features. So bascially, my inventory seems to have recovered perfectly, my skintone changed and looksets vanished. Hope that is useful info.

        I am talking to another avatar whose face is identical in shape to mine but darker tone. She has also gotten her inventory back but says some textures do not seem to have retrieved yet.

      • #135 by mmeodiles on 2011.08.15 - 1:48 am

        well no biggy for me! I lost real life weight, so I will definitely be visiting the spa area to get those pixallated weight pounds shed from my pixallated little body!!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • #136 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 7:02 am

        I have a better idea … When no one can pluck their eyebrows and change their skin color, in a SPA, when 3D opens, then look into it.
        Right now, I would rather know you guys are working on the IMPORTANT problems of getting 3D up rather than trivial things like eye brows and skin color.

      • #137 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.15 - 7:09 am

        The issue is we need to understand why things aren’t working as expected. That’s kind of a rule of software development (well, good development).

      • #138 by nalora on 2011.08.15 - 8:43 am

        Part of the reason is because there is no Bodyset tab in the change me. I have 5 or 6 different body sets on my original avatar and none are in the changeme in the IM because there is no bodyset tab. I have looked and the body sets were transferred in my transaction history. But my avatar is generic. The only thing that transferred over is a skin color. It happens to be vanilla, which is my skin color.

      • #139 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 9:46 am

        So far I have read,
        I have thick eyebrows or being my skin colour pale white, I am skinny, and have no butt. dark skintone, i mean real dark. looks like a farmers tan in reverce. latte skin, and now I have vanilla, and I look like everyone else. I have latte clothes, and they donโ€™t match my skin. a little skinnier than I used to. pixallated weight pounds shed from my pixallated little body!!!

        Hey don’t we all look so great!!

      • #140 by GaryBob on 2011.08.15 - 10:36 am

        Be sure to double check the pattern buffers and then contact Main Engineering to see if there have been any power fluctuations due to the long disuse of the dilithium crystals. Also, I want some tea, Earl Grey, hot.

  69. #141 by invu34 on 2011.08.14 - 7:49 pm

    I have to agree Mr. Wilson that avatar color did not migrate correctly. I noticed when recreating our avatar the caramel color was not an option to choose from. However many of my clothes were for caramel skin color and when I try to put them on I look like I got a real dark tan in some spots and my boyfriend’s tattoo’s look like he is wearing a shirt ๐Ÿ˜›

  70. #142 by crazymattrocks on 2011.08.14 - 7:30 pm

    Is anyone else getting the error “The Invitation failed due to a network or server problem.” or your buddies not loading?

    • #143 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.14 - 8:22 pm

      I had the same problem with the buddies not loading and rebooting the computer fixed that.

      As far as the invitation part…I have no clue.

      • #144 by crazymattrocks on 2011.08.15 - 6:59 pm

        I rebooted and didn’t help. I’ll try reinstalling it again. Have I ever shown as Logged in? on your buddy list?

      • #145 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.16 - 3:14 am

        I havn’t seen you logged in yet. I was just thinking that we kept barely missing each othern while we was on lol.

        I’ll send you a email today with the time I log on, and see if I can catch you logged in.

  71. #146 by maanzaki123 on 2011.08.14 - 7:01 pm

    So wait, Michael you said something about being your looksets saved and all and the way you looked will be the same? im pale white and have thick eyebrows. Am i able to change it at this moment?

    • #147 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.14 - 7:12 pm

      Hmm. So were you that way when we closed?

      We _should_ have set you to you last look when you “reclaimed” your old Avatar.

      • #148 by maanzaki123 on 2011.08.14 - 7:18 pm

        I certainly didn’t have thick eyebrows or being my skin colour pale white when there.com closed.

      • #149 by nalora on 2011.08.14 - 7:27 pm

        The body sets are not in the IM. I am skinny, and have no butt. I think perhaps the lookset is there without the body customization that you do in the spas.

      • #150 by maanzaki123 on 2011.08.14 - 7:34 pm

        Maybe, Just hopefully when we all get back up on the world, Im heading to the nearest spa there is, preferably my favorite; island tours east haha

      • #151 by baobab on 2011.08.14 - 7:38 pm

        when i first reclaimed my avie i was dark skintone.i mean real dark.since my inventory has returned it has lighten up a bit but its still not caramel because some of my clothes was for caramel skintone and now it looks like a farmers tan in reverce.

      • #152 by Francis_7 on 2011.08.14 - 7:52 pm

        Thank you for all these great updates!
        Almost every male I have met in the new ThereIM has the uber thick eyebrows. I don’t think I ever wore eyebrows that thick. I think I have only seen two people that had thin eyebrows. It is not a huge deal, I am sure once we are in world we can just get those changed at a spa. This has sure been a fun day for me!

      • #153 by Kendra (LilGrayFuzz) on 2011.08.14 - 7:52 pm

        I also definitely do not look like I did when There closed. I had latte skin, and now I have vanilla, and I look like everyone else. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ I’m pretty sure everyone I’ve seen looks exactly the same, aside from the clothes and what-not, as if we were all clones with different outfits on. I also don’t have any of my saved outfits I had before, so I’m assuming (obviously by the way I look) that I don’t have my looksets, either.

      • #154 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:23 am

        Kendra, I have my outfits, but not my looksets (so my big hair won’t be back at least until the 3D world opens). As I understand it, outfits are saved with clothing items, but looksets are avatar customization and are in a different system.

      • #155 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.08.15 - 2:42 am

        yes, I have latte clothes, and they don’t match my skin. On the other hand, I HAVE AN AVIE AGAIN!!! So hey, I can fix all that once the world opens ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #156 by mimi06 on 2011.08.15 - 2:56 am

        Saw a slight difference but really, it didnt matter to me. I’m only posting to show that my avie appeared fine in the chat groups. but was a little of in the change me mode. I dont care either way rofl.. Just happy to be where we’re at. (feels good to look umm 30 again) rofl

      • #157 by Puddlefish on 2011.08.15 - 3:11 am

        Yeah, I look a little skinnier than I used to also… it’s just atrophy from Avie Suspended Animation ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #158 by Chagall on 2011.08.15 - 4:15 am

        I don’t look like the old Chagall, either.

        Though it’s not a big deal to me at the moment to ask to have this fixed, I _am_ going to bug y’all about it at some point. That lookset (like my outfit) was unique to me and harbors distinguishing and personal meaning.

        I did save all my old DOID and Dasp details. I can send them to you if it will help?

      • #159 by Chagall on 2011.08.15 - 4:17 am

        …aaand i posted a bit early on this LoL (can’t delete my original post) Sorry about that!

        Just finished reading the rest of the posts ”’doh

        Offer still stands to send in dasp info, if it’ll help

      • #160 by Celtic on 2011.08.15 - 10:24 am

        just to add my voice to the mix…my avatar doesn’t look like the old Celtic avatar either…and I don’t think it’s just the eye brows and skin color that are wrong, it almost looks like the avatar that was generated is a generic type that is created when an account s created for the first time.

      • #161 by zandarkei on 2011.08.15 - 10:26 am

        I didn’t get my old look back till after the migration, nor did anyone I knew.

    • #162 by mmeodiles on 2011.08.15 - 1:45 am

      This will be interesting: Take your ticket please,…. and wait in line!…. And, don’t push each other while waiting your turn for your ‘spa special treatment’!!!!!

      • #163 by acemastter on 2011.08.15 - 3:31 pm

        ya when there closed i had a tan my new toon looks like milk rofl

      • #164 by acemastter on 2011.08.15 - 3:35 pm

        o well when world opens 1. hit the spa get a tan lol 2. find a place to build 3. start building my night club back up 4. invite friends in 5. host a welcome back there.com party for any one that wonts to join rofl

    • #165 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 6:55 am

      Hey guys,
      Is it really THAT important that you look like you did when There closed?
      The key words are ” when There closed”. I would think you would be happy that we are able to be on ThereIM and soon on There 3D!
      When There 3D is open and you can’t pluck your eye brows or change your skin color, that would be a good time to ask whats wrong.
      Right now, it seems to me, would be a good time to relax, sit back, chat on IM and be VERY thankful that Michael is willing to do this one more time.
      Thank you Michael!!

      • #166 by Chagall on 2011.08.15 - 6:10 pm

        Yes, it is very important to some of us. I never changed my lookset after 2003 and I know there are others that followed the same path. I liked having a signature lookset, as did others. There are certain people that we can all pick out in any untagged screenshot.

        There was a point where the coding changed and screwed up the spas for a bit. The bugs were fixed, but it changed the way the spas worked from then on out. So some of us have a body/face shape that would be near impossible to recreate.

        In my opinion, I think reporting missing data during a migration is the perfect time to point it out, not wait and bring it up 6 months down the road.

        I think it goes without saying that we are all extremely grateful to the amazingly talented people putting their time and efforts back into this project. I’d send a huge plate of cookies if I knew where to send them.

  72. #167 by Tumble_Weed on 2011.08.14 - 6:33 pm

    So exciting!!! i haven’t sat this long in front of the comp in over a year!! had to go get a pillow…wooot lovin There IM tyvm again!!

    • #168 by Nancy Russell on 2011.08.15 - 5:53 am

      Hoot…I’ve been busily dusting and bringing my old pc back to life for this. I’m usually on my laptop for everyday stuff but this is an event!

  73. #169 by nalora on 2011.08.14 - 6:30 pm

    OMG I have been waiting and waiting for you to show up on my buddy list. Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

    *avie sacrifice*

    oh wait I dont have a 2 team scoreboard yet….or a hill….or a world with a hill….

    ‘blowkiss to Max

  74. #170 by Annie on 2011.08.14 - 6:25 pm

    Kickin686: LOL. Yes, I first saw There on tech tv too. That’s what made me get into the beta!

    Turtle_Jr: I’m having the exact same issue. Can anyone please help me get logged in? I tried to re-install There IM, but it didn’t help. I know it’s gotta be a technical issue because I had my husband log into his account through my computer, just to make sure the paths were correct. He had no problems at all. I know my Avatar and password are correct because I had to have There give me a new password.

    -Annie (Kayla)

  75. #171 by Kickin686 on 2011.08.14 - 6:00 pm

    This is so Awesome seeing There come back to life.

    I saw There in beta on TechTV in early 2000, later G4 killed TechTV and Now Leo has brought TechTV (Now called TWiT) back to life… and now There is coming back to life too. Two of the coolest things i was introduced too in early 2000 is back. YAY!!!

    • #172 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.14 - 8:18 pm

      It broke my heart when G4 took over TechTV!

    • #173 by Ketchup2k3 on 2011.08.14 - 9:02 pm

      Thats where I first saw There too! Early 2002 I believe, and they were announcing that beta was opening up. Oh, The Screensavers, how I miss you.

  76. #174 by HoverboatPilot on 2011.08.14 - 5:59 pm

    Great work on the migration so far! It seems I’ve received about 99% of my inventory (minus one hair style that I can’t account for in transaction history) from what I can tell anyway. ๐Ÿ˜€

    I was curious if clubs created by There employees will be restored such as HelpCentral_Article_Contributors founded by Helper_Yoko? I’m guessing there are others out there that might want these legacy groups back as bragging rights and such.


    p.s. Sorry if this is a duplicate but I didn’t see a confirmation that it was posted. :p

  77. #175 by migman on 2011.08.14 - 5:52 pm

    Thanks for the update and all the work you have done.I cant wait to do Quest again.

  78. #176 by Sassybeme There on 2011.08.14 - 5:48 pm

    Got a little problem. My guy tried to see if he could log into his avatar on There Central. It wasn’t excepting the password he had written down. Told him he had to re invite himself first. Wall….. He had assigned his old email from our site we had to his account. After There closed we let the expense go. So then he tried one of the many email he’s use to have. See our ISP carrier has changed from msn – live – now q.com. All in a years time. Now he knows I don’t want any one getting his name. I’d rather use his M_bored as my tester avatar. Should I wait till the world opens for his? Is there a fix for us?

    btw I”m like so YES to the world open more then the IM any o’ day of the week ๐Ÿ˜€ bring it!

    • #177 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.14 - 8:14 pm

      I have mede several avatars with bunk email addresses, all of which (besides one) I have reclaimed! Just type in the “old” (correct) email (even though you don’t own it) and re-claim your avatar. Then go to your profile> user settings>and change the email address to a working email.

      Hope this helps!

      • #178 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.14 - 8:19 pm

        I’m so glad the new There isn’t going to be clogged up with thousands of useless alts.

        We’ll have to be charging sooner, rather than later I see.

      • #179 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.14 - 8:32 pm

        Who said they was usless? ๐Ÿ˜›

        Seg was WAY over-burdened with items that lagged him horribly, every alt I made (with the exception of Tharealthing,my1st coke avatar) had a use.
        They just gave me more room to spend money with your company!

  79. #180 by Brandyn Rlp There on 2011.08.14 - 5:45 pm

    ‘tu MW and team. You guys are doing a great job, and you guys are doing the migration a lot faster than I would have expected. ๐Ÿ™‚ Thank you so much! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Also surprisingly ALL of the avatars even migrated avatars have all bushy eyebrows, except for mine oddly. lol. ‘tu

    P.S. Thank you for making appearances in the ThereIM group! Its nice to get some things cleared up ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #181 by kevman95 on 2011.08.14 - 7:23 pm

      He purposely made you beautiful with small eyebrows. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #182 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 6:41 am

        Does that mean your telling all the rest of us we are ugly? ๐Ÿ™‚

  80. #183 by David H on 2011.08.14 - 5:44 pm

    Sounds fantstic, great work all!! Cannot wait until the 3D World update ๐Ÿ™‚

  81. #184 by Joe on 2011.08.14 - 5:41 pm

    Is it possible to make it so the buggies and cars don’t bounce around and flip over so much? That was the only thing that frustrated me about There. Other than that, I wish I could inject myself into the computer and live in There. ๐Ÿ™‚ It would be great to walk up to a buddy’s avatar and rip his head off. lol

    • #185 by Striker194 on 2011.08.14 - 5:56 pm

      I quite enjoyed that actually.

    • #186 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:17 am

      Where’s the challenge in driving if the buggies don’t flip? If you don’t like it, buy a monster truck — you can still flip those, but you have to work at it. For myself, the bouncing is what makes a buggy a buggy — anywhere except the lava fields of northern Cangrejo and the canyons of Tyr, it’s an advantage — go fast, and you only hit the high spots…

    • #187 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 6:39 am

      “Is it possible to make it so the buggies and cars donโ€™t bounce around and flip over so much?”
      Why would you want to do that? It would take all the fun out of driving around There.
      There’s physics is unique, out of all the online games. That is one of the reasons There has such a fanatic following.
      The best to make it smooth is always drive on the paved roads. Oh, wait, there are no paved roads!!
      Ok, LEARN TO DRIVE!! It only takes a few months!
      Learn to laugh when your upside down, sliding all the way down Avie Sacrifice. The rest of us do ๐Ÿ™‚
      DAMN Joe, where is your sense of adventure?

      • #188 by Joe on 2011.08.15 - 12:32 pm

        I KNEW there’d be a few people who’d give me hell for mentioning something that I find frustrating. I love when mosquitoes bite the hell out of me. You don’t? What’s wrong with you??? (There. How does it feel?) Yeah, flipping can be fun. But not all the time. I find it annoying when I’m driving and trying to get somewhere and have to constantly upright the vehicle because there’s barely any level terrain in There. And ImageMaker, Monster trucks don’t flip because they’re so damn slow. Anyway, all I was wondering is, if it’s possible that the new There might have more level terrain so vehicles don’t flip as much.

      • #189 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 2:12 pm

        I guess you don’t know me.
        That, my friend was not hell. ๐Ÿ™‚
        The whole reply was dont, tongue in cheek.
        Give it time Joe, it will come.
        I have been in There since 2005 and I still flip them a LOT.
        Just sit back and enjoy There, getting frustrated only makes it worse. ๐Ÿ™‚

  82. #190 by Marianne Mohr on 2011.08.14 - 5:33 pm

    Hi Max… its Joy. Did u get your avie? Mystic gave good instructions. I’ve restored 2 of my avies so far! Thanks to everyone at Makena for this wonderful event… each day it gets better! And 74% done! ”’yay

  83. #191 by RRTT on 2011.08.14 - 5:32 pm

    Missing a semicolon… The joys of C++, shouldn’t your compiler throw up a debug message when that happens?

    Can’t wait to see There in all of it’s 3D glory. The physics remain unmatched, and I am excited to see it again.

    • #192 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.14 - 5:35 pm

      Colon, not semicolon.

      • #193 by hatindakid12 on 2011.08.14 - 5:41 pm

        Hello. Ive been stumped on how i can get my avie back. I dont remember the secret question answe pw or email i used. The secret answer should be a give in cuz i would only give one answer to that question. yes it says its incorrect.. is if case sensative. ive tried so many diff variations of it and its not working. please let me know theres an alternative way to get my avatar hatindakid12 back ๐Ÿ˜ฆ spent lots of money on it and i would love to rejoin everyone. I was also a designer as well would like to resume that as well. ๐Ÿ˜€

      • #194 by RRTT on 2011.08.14 - 6:07 pm

        Ohh, you said semicolon up there. That makes more sense ‘tu

      • #195 by RRTT on 2011.08.14 - 6:15 pm

        Hatindakid. took me a second to realize who you were. was like whoa. LOL

      • #196 by hatindakid12 on 2011.08.14 - 7:21 pm

        LOL. ๐Ÿ˜€ tis me. TL aka true label designs in da house rofl… yea man havin trouble tryin to get my avie back.. i used to change my pw all the time on there to prevent people from u kno tryin tto get on it..now i dont remember the pw and all that.. and the secret question is a bust.. i dont know . rofl..

      • #197 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:14 am

        Ugh — that’s uglier than a semicolon, because (as noted) it won’t return a syntax error, it’ll just convert what should have been an assignment into a TRUE or FALSE return. Those can be a royal pain to trace. Kudos to Bruce!

    • #198 by Rakja on 2011.08.15 - 12:00 pm

      Oooooo Physics!!!! I can’t wait I can’t wait!!!!

  84. #199 by Turtle_jr on 2011.08.14 - 5:32 pm

    I’m not sure if you answered this MW it when I go to have my password reset it says that I have the wrong combination but I know I don’t. Help! ๐Ÿ™‚

  85. #200 by _Taz on 2011.08.14 - 5:30 pm

    Yay! My buddy list is coming back..soon rest of the gear. Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

  86. #201 by coolnet on 2011.08.14 - 5:28 pm

    Thank you for the update. I did notice something though. For some reason, my skin isn’t matching when I last had it. I had butterscotch and for some reason i have a lighter skin color. Is there a way to fix that?

    • #202 by tobstar on 2011.08.14 - 6:32 pm

      My avatar’s skin is really dark, almost black, after claiming my legacy avatar :/ I’m quite certain that I wasn’t black before There closed… Also another friend of mine is extremely white and I’m quite sure she wasn’t that before There closed either. I wonder if we’ll be able to access our look sets at some point…

      • #203 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:10 am

        Spas will open when the 3D world opens. Until then, you’re pretty well stuck with whatever skin tone you selected when you (re)created your avatar, since ThereIM doesn’t support spa treatment options (so, for instance, some of my outfits have a bare chest that doesn’t match my skin, and the skin tone that’s supposed to go with them doesn’t show). We just have to live with it until the spas open again.

  87. #204 by CpnBob on 2011.08.14 - 5:27 pm

    HUZZAH for the update!

    … and YAY … Max SMoke is here! Now we know all will be the way we remember it.

  88. #206 by Aime Therian on 2011.08.14 - 5:17 pm

    Kudos to you all for this news. It just gets better every day ๐Ÿ™‚

  89. #207 by kevman95 on 2011.08.14 - 5:12 pm

    Thanks for the update!

  90. #208 by Cory on 2011.08.14 - 5:12 pm

    Hey Michael Wilson , I still haven’t found anyone to answer this. Once migration is done. How do we transfer out Clothes AND Inventory items from alt accounts in ThereIM?

    • #209 by thereuser on 2011.08.14 - 5:40 pm

      You Don’t… ThereIM is just a temporary thing until they get the world running. ThereIM can’t move items… it’s just a chat client.

    • #210 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.15 - 5:14 am

      When the 3D world opens then you will be able to transfer items.

    • #211 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 5:18 am

      For the Nth and the last time,
      That feature is NOT implemented yet.
      I am sure that Michael will tell us when it is available.
      In the mean time, please stop asking questions that have already been discussed several times.
      The guys are busting their butts to get everything up and running smoothly.
      Those kind of questions just slow the process down.
      GP, xSnoopy

    • #212 by Cory on 2011.08.15 - 7:34 am

      Snoopy , it wasn’t discussed at all , you just saying something and saying don’t ask again is not a discussion ty. People are saying you have to do it in the 3D world . MW said you could transfer everything before payment started in ThereIM.

    • #213 by jimony on 2011.08.15 - 11:29 am

      This was MW’s answer to this question until further notice:

      Q. Does that mean I can recover my alts and transfer stuff around for Free?
      A. Yes, until we start charging. Then you will have to pay for the Alts, or we may have an alternative method.

      Q. So, how do I give my Avatar stuff from my Alt with ThereIM.
      A. Weโ€™ll figure out if you can run two copies of ThereIM at once (Iโ€™m pretty sure you can), and you can just given stuff from one Avie to another. Yes, you have to give each item โ€œone by oneโ€.

      I am guessing that once the world is up and most of the bugs that keep it from working feasibly are solved, they will be willing to help us with this problem, maybe for a small fee, maybe not. We may just have to pay for a month to trade all our items, that would probably be the best way, and well worth it for many people.

    • #214 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.15 - 2:05 pm

      Ok, let me put it more simply.
      Stop asking questions that have already been answered!!
      If MW answered every question like yours, we probably wouldent be on There 3D until Christmas.
      I hope that is simple enough to understand.
      GP, xSnoopy

    • #215 by Cory on 2011.08.15 - 4:54 pm

      Snoopy , my question was not answered , so quick acting like you run this . ‘Questions like mine’ Oh you mean the important ones? Oh okay!

  91. #216 by mystic1there on 2011.08.14 - 5:12 pm


    It would be a real crime if you had to do that!

    Go to http://www.there.com and use the “Invite me NOW!” link on the lower left side of the page.

    That will take you to http://webapps.prod.there.com/scripts/resurrection.py where you can request your old avatar name. You will then get an email with the remaining instructions.

    BTW the Tiki Eye Follow Mask you designed is still one of my favorite decorator items ๐Ÿ™‚


    • #217 by alexandria3178 on 2011.08.15 - 1:25 pm

      That would be wonderful, but I have submitted for my resurrection 3 times now, and still haven’t received an e-mail. So I am stuck waiting and getting nothing. I mean I have my 10 bucks ready and waiting.

      Yes I have checked SPAM, and every folder in my mail. NOT THERE!!! I want my invite.

  92. #218 by HoverboatPilot on 2011.08.14 - 5:09 pm

    Hi Mr. Wilson, I’ve noticed that 99% of my inventory has migrated (minus one hair style that didn’t seem to make it) from what I can tell anyway. ๐Ÿ˜€

    I was wondering, what will happen to the clubs that were created by There employees such as the HelpCentral_Article_Contributors group created by Helper_Yoko? I’m guessing a lot of people will probably want legacy groups like this back as sort of bragging rights and such.


  93. #219 by H1r3dAssas1n on 2011.08.14 - 5:05 pm

    Thanks for all the hard work you guys have been putting into this MW and everyone else helping out!
    I just got migrated ๐Ÿ˜€ SO happy!!


  94. #220 by Sameer Anand on 2011.08.14 - 5:02 pm

    MW, Will the 3D world be open at least by October? Just wondering..

    • #221 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.15 - 2:07 am

      Ut oh. Another one into the AvIncinerator… ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

  95. #222 by mimi06 on 2011.08.14 - 5:02 pm

    Thank you, for taking more time to explain. We can only hope that everyone’s happy with what we have so far ๐Ÿ™‚ I for one am. Thank you all for all your doing .

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