Alpine Glow

Here’s picture and a little update.

* We have a new copy of ThereIM we’ll be linking too. This one doesn’t require you to change that target, and should make it much easier to new members or returnees. You can get it here. Remember, I said that one of our tasks was to get this building again — and the There Client — so that’s checked off.

You must quit ThereIM before doing the install. Just exiting it isn’t enough – you must right click on it’s icon on the right side of the task bar and choose “Quit”. If you don’t, the install will only be half-baked, and havoc will ensue.

There have been some problems reported with this release. This is why we needed to do this.


If you’re using this release and having SegVios, then try this:

1. Find the ThereIM icon in your task bar (at the bottom of the screen)
2. Right click on it.
3. Pick “Exit”
4. From your computer, delete the folder “C:\Program Files\Makena Technologies”
5. Re-install ThereIM

Thanks to all those who helped us with this tip.

There shouldn’t be any noticeable changes in this version. I was the last one who worked on it, and, as I recall, we had already shipped everything I’d done, so don’t expect anything like cats in ThereIM or anything.

* I’m very happy to announce that Mackie will be re-joining us on a part-time basis to help answer questions and develop the policy for “I-can’t-remember-my-password-or-my-email-or-my-secret-answer’, and implementing it. After some testing today we discovered that you can not send a tissue sample for DNA sequencing through the fax machine, so that’s out.

* Please think carefully before sending us an email claiming that all of your things are gone or you don’t have your T$. In every case so far that we’ve investigated, we’ve found that the member(s) had given or traded away all of their stuff shortly before There closed.

* We know that many of you don’t as you expect in ThereIM, and SamSyn has a nice logical explanation:

A mystery in three parts.


Your skin color is just one part of your avatar’s “Lookset” (which also includes the shape of your body, it’s default hair, lip shape, etc.) It does NOT include your clothing. That’s stored in an ‘outfit,’ which is a different adventure story (with a happy ending).

When your OLD avatar on the old service was first created, you picked an initial skin color for it. This is your “Original Skin Color.” You liked it well enough, but you probably didn’t have many choices.

Over the course of time, you might have visited a Spa and changed your skin color to something else (Caramel being the most popular color, back from the days when clothing had to be ‘married’ to a particular skin color). Eventually, you had a skin color on the day we had to shut the service down. Let’s call that the “Closing Color”

Now the clock jumps forward 17 months or so.

Recently you have created your NEW avatar (with the same name as your old avatar, but really it’s a completely new avatar on a completely new service). When you did that, you used the “avie picker” at which allowed you to pick a new skin color (and if you picked nothing, it defaulted probably to “Vanilla”). But you had to pick SOMETHING, so let’s call that the “Picker Skin Color”

The Picker Skin Color didn’t last very long. By the time we re-created your avatar on the NEW, its skin color had already been changed back to the “Original Skin Color” (note: not the “Closing Skin Color”). So your first moment of surprise came from your first ThereIM login where you realized that your “Picker Skin Color” was not actually used (likewise, the Picker Gender was ignored, since your new Avatar is created with a matching gender to your old Avatar.)

But your second surprise was that ThereIM displayed your “Original Skin Color” and not the “Closing Skin Color” you probably expected it to.

So where is your “Closing Skin Color?”

It’s in a lookset!

Part of the data migration process is to migrate all the looksets you created for your old avatar. Each lookset can have a different skin color (and/or body shape). When you leave the spa, and ‘save changes,’ this data is always stored in one of your looksets (which one, is hard for us to say) And because it’s hard for us to know which one you were using on closing day, we don’t try to put one on for you automatically, and just leave you in your “Original” lookset.

Once you get your avatar back into the 3D world, and can visit a Spa, you will see these looksets, and have the ability to change which one your avatar is “sporting”

And THEN your avatar can come close to looking like its “Closing” self.

VAST AMOUNTS OF TESTING (TWO analyses ๐Ÿ™‚ have given us a warm and fuzzy feeling that your looksets are likely have the proper data in them. But ThereIM just gives you no access.

And, of course, once you can get to a Spa, you can completely configure yourself as you like, skin color and all. Nothing about your lookset is “permanent”


Well… The code DID continue to evolve over the last year, as we added DirectX9, support for some dramatic new textured face technology, and large numbers of bug fixes (though not the bug YOU wanted fixed, of course, we saved that one for when you returned. To give you a sense of home). It’s possible that some of these changes impact lookset appearance. (No, you won’t suddenly have a textured face, that’s a shiny new feature to be exposed at some future date, or never, as you see fit. We will NOT force you to have a textured face)

But we DID find some value-checking bugs, whose repair might have made some of the more ‘extreme’ body configurations that people were making with UNLICENSED THIRD PARTY ADD-ONS, less extreme. Plus there was a silly bug that made the Spa sliders behave oddly (not sticking where you put them, being unable to be set in what appeared to be completely legal ways) and that might have some effect as well.

So there might be some differences, is all we’re saying. We can’t state otherwise. Plus your memory isn’t perfect either, so there! But your skin color isn’t one of them. That code has not changed in many years. So if you had a lookset with a particular color in it on closing day, your new copy of that lookset on your new avatar (once you have a chance to put it on) should present the same skin color as it did on closing day.

OK, so there weren’t REALLY three parts, in case you were counting.

* Dan is working on the bug which prevents IE8/Windows users from registering. Evidently lots of people have had that problem (with IE handling of certain types of XML/HTML documents), so we’re not alone. He might have found a solution, so that should be resolved soon.

* 3rd party add ins: If it’s something like the hair patch, which may have someone else’s content in it, Do NOT Use It. Those assets belong to someone else, and if you use them, you’re stealing. If it’s something like JSCompass, etc, use it at your own risk! We can’t support you if something goes wrong, and if you report a problem, the first thing we’ll ask you to do is uninstall any third party extensions.

Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist over this, just think: How could we possibly support someone else’s code?

That’s it for now. I may add updates later.

I purposely made this picture lighter because I don’t know what WordPress does to them, but they look FINE on my computer and wayyyyy to dark on the blog.

  1. #1 by Issubah on 2011.09.03 - 12:50 pm

    Ok…did everyone go on vacation or has the place for updates moved?

  2. #2 by Issubah on 2011.08.27 - 6:17 pm

    Question please…. Is Firefox going to work with everything or not? Was in Groups to accept an invitation and did that just fine, but when I tried to go back to “groups” from the specific group page I was on, I got a message that I needed to upgrade Internet Explorer..After about the third time of getting that message, I changed my browser to Internet Explorer (which is 8), then tried to get the free version of 9 and it showed me “page not found”…So I tried getting into There Central with IE 8 and it didnt want to work..So switched back to Firefox and at least got into There Central easily…but this time could not get any further without the message coming up to upgrade IE to 9.. so now don’t have a clue what’s going on.. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    • #3 by Issubah on 2011.08.28 - 12:07 pm

      Meant CLUBS, not sorry..

  3. #4 by Roy McIlveen on 2011.08.24 - 9:55 am

    I hope you are able to get the password recovery working. I was in ThereIM and have chatted with a few people so I had a working avie with my few possessions and password, but now the system seems to have forgotten the password – and as far as I know I made no changes. Very strange and frustrating.

  4. #5 by Issubah on 2011.08.24 - 7:02 am

    Ok….so WILL there be anything like an un-renewable free trial for Even a one day free trial would help…I’m just sayin’….

    • #6 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.24 - 7:32 am

      How can we make it “Unrenewable”?

      • #7 by Issubah on 2011.08.25 - 6:51 am

        I dunno…but places like and have free trials from time to time that apparently people can only do once..Otherwise, who would pay for a sub? I could be talkin’ out my hat though..Maybe they put up a free trial and then after a week or so remove it altogether.. That would prevent repeaters..

      • #8 by Issubah on 2011.08.25 - 7:02 am

        Or….if I remember right, had the free trial where you could sign up for it, and after a week or whatever, you either paid for a sub or you could no longer access the services…How they accomplish that, I do not know..but they did let you know when your free trial was about to expire…

  5. #9 by Domenick Basolo on 2011.08.23 - 3:04 pm

    How about the Avatars like mine that have working emails and have not been banned? So far has not been able to retrieve my information even though I still have access to my email. It is very important to me for the reason that my wife and I met on and have become happily married in real life. Thus itโ€™s important because our avatars shared similar names that everyone thought was the cutest. My wife was however able to retrieve her avatar the_wifey I just canโ€™t get mine the_hubby. Please help me I have been working with through email for the past 5 days trying to get this resolved. I also wanted to give a shout out to Francis_7and say I canโ€™t wait for Woot Woot! Thanks for all your hard work!

  6. #10 by Lynn on 2011.08.23 - 1:11 pm

    thanks guys my friend will be happy to know he has a chance on getting his avie back

  7. #11 by EvenStupider on 2011.08.23 - 10:22 am


  8. #12 by News_Tracker on 2011.08.23 - 5:06 am

    Check out this Virtual World movie documentary!

    It will air this Thurs. Aug. 25th on OWN (The Oprah Winfrey Network), called Life 2.0. It features real world interviews, how people get addicted to the virtual world of Second Life. From the movie trailer and website link here – It really does show how people get so wrapped up in the virtual world. Many of you may not have the OWN channel. Just looking at the movie trailer you can get a sense on what its all about!

    If you live in Second Life and after There2 opens. We need in a nice way to get the S.L. folks to come see our REAL VIRTUAL WORLD. We have a better world. I like the mountains and our far better cars, hands down on that one! Now take note! Don’t bring them over as soon as There2 opens we still might have opening day blues happening!

  9. #13 by Christy Clendenen on 2011.08.23 - 2:57 am

    *peeks in for any new news from the Commander* ๐Ÿ™‚

  10. #14 by Corey_Lee on 2011.08.23 - 2:20 am

    Hi MW, i was able to log in to my account 2 days ago. Now i cant login and it says ”Privileges are suspended”. May i ask what is the problem again ? Is there any problem with my avatar or with moderations ?


    • #15 by Corey_Lee on 2011.08.23 - 3:44 am

      Moderation Email: to Corey_Lee, date Tuesday August 23 2011, time 03:23:46 GMT, action You cannot login for another 365 days 0 hours 0 minutes., reason, domain, url

      Is tht a Joke of new fresh system in 2011 ?

      -Ban reason was due to card holder issue before closing There, but nothing was wrong with the CC.’shrug
      -So wont i able to use this avie for a year ‘sigh

      • #16 by kevman95 on 2011.08.23 - 10:41 am

        Its happening to everyone that was previously banned., it will most likely cause there.coms downfall due to it cause i know alot of people wanting back in, and also got banned for unright reasons.

  11. #17 by (^, ,^) vamp rawr.^.^ on 2011.08.22 - 11:10 pm

    :O lol here comes the nerd rage of ppl that got banned lol thank u mw now dont have to deal with them hopefully was wondering if those ppl were going get re banned ๐Ÿ˜€

  12. #18 by Eatings on 2011.08.22 - 8:45 pm

    Why has my account been suspended out of nowhere?

  13. #19 by Lynn on 2011.08.22 - 7:54 pm

    Mr Wilson is there going to be a way to get an avie back if we cant remember the secret question answer or password or is it going to be gone for good

    • #20 by seckoa92 on 2011.08.22 - 10:01 pm

      Need to remember the legacy email account

    • #21 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.23 - 2:16 am

      Read the top post again — that’s one of the things Mackie will be doing, working out a policy and method of attempting (at extra cost to the user, of course) to recover avatars for which the password has been lost, there’s no secret question, and the original e-mail is no longer accessible or valid.

    • #22 by JasonMK on 2011.08.23 - 4:08 am

      MW has explained the process before, and for those who need special care to reclaim their avatar there will be a special fee charged, but they will help. I’d link to the exact post, but since I can’t I’ll just let you know it is here somewhere. But don’t worry, it won’t be gone for good (unless you choose to not do anything about it).

  14. #23 by EvenStupider on 2011.08.22 - 7:39 pm

    Mr Wilson… what’s the deal with this e-mail I received saying my account will resume it’s moderation for another 365 days? Is that accurate, or am I permanently denied access? Also, in that time frame, won’t my account be deleted? Please let me know.

    • #24 by seckoa92 on 2011.08.22 - 10:06 pm

      Probably permanent.

    • #25 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.23 - 2:21 am

      Were you under “moderation” when There closed? If so, and you haven’t been outright denied access when you recovered your avatar, you apparently weren’t under permanent ban and, from what you describe, your avatar has been recovered but placed back under moderation. I don’t know for certain how long a claimed avatar can be inactive before deletion — though I’d gotten the impression that deletion was only the fate of unclaimed avatars (I know of at least one that hadn’t been logged in for a year or more before closing, and has been recovered and migrated). Since your ban apparently wasn’t permanent, it appears you may simply have to wait a year before you’ll be able to log into There.

      Not that I want you to post it here, but it does make me mildly curious what one might do that would merit a year’s ban, but not a permanent one. Me, I’m a quiet sort, not prone to getting into trouble, so I don’t know how There’s sentencing guidelines run…

    • #26 by RAY on 2011.08.23 - 5:43 am

      its that ya prob not 18 years old its 18 plus like hes said millions of times

    • #27 by EvenStupider on 2011.08.23 - 10:21 am

      @Ray… are you 18+ buddy? I doubt it.

      @Imagemaker – trust me pal… you don’t want to know why I got a years suspension. at least you’ll be able to sleep at night.

      @ Michael Wilson – Please don’t leave this unexplained. Can you at least mention it in your next update? Thanks in advance.

  15. #28 by HoverboatPilot on 2011.08.22 - 7:20 pm

    Here’s an odd bug found in one of the club members list. Notice the first two members are blank for some reason, but one shows online…


  16. #29 by provolone66 on 2011.08.22 - 5:32 pm

    sorry about the double posting something is not allowing me to update the page.

  17. #30 by provolone66 on 2011.08.22 - 5:27 pm

    i reclaimed one of my alt avies and when i try to to view it’s profile it redirects me to the there login page but wont take my info just sends back to the login.even when i am logged in as another account and try to see the profile it redirects me.the profile i am trying to see is provolone66.does anyone else have this says provolone66 can log into the im client and do somethings like change me and chat with other avies.

  18. #31 by Issubah on 2011.08.22 - 4:57 pm

    Well I have a question for anyone who can answer..and if it is a question that shows my total ignorance about these things, just answer after you finish laughing please… Once we are in There again and all is working as it should..will it be possible for someone (friend/relative) to log-in under our account from their own computer in another location, using our ID and password with our consent? Reason I ask is because I was talking to a cousin about joining, and he looked at the videos and thought it was cool..but obviously the videos don’t give him the experience of BEING There…and so he is not certain he wants to part with 10 bucks a month for it…Soooooo…I wanted to be able to let him visit There once on my own account..if that would be even technically possible..Is it?

    • #32 by soybean on 2011.08.22 - 6:56 pm

      take it from someone that has moved around alot i have never had a problem of logging in from different locations(cities,states,even different countries).if you give your account and password to your cousin even to play with think of it as giving him the keys to your car.if he goes out and runs over someone or robs a bank in your car people will think its you.unless he tells someone.depends on how much you trust your cousin.
      unless you alert someone that your account has been hacked it is asumed it is the rightful person is logged in.unless they have changed the security to more like facebook they dont question what ip address your account is logged in on.

      • #33 by Issubah on 2011.08.23 - 7:31 am

        Thanks for the info Soybean..and I understand the potential hazards of trusting anyone with your ID and password..but yeah..I would’nt do it if I didn’t trust him..and I would change my password after he got to visit one time in order to prevent anyone from hacking HIS computer and getting my info..So if he likes the World and wants to play, he will have to join on his own..

        It would be good if There would do a one week free trial..but I don’t know if a person could prevent anyone from just doing a free trial over and over again..Guess they will figure that all out as they go along..

      • #34 by CpnBob on 2011.08.23 - 1:19 pm

        The computer must have program downloaded first.

    • #35 by Issubah on 2011.08.23 - 5:16 pm

      cpnbob…I shoulda thunk of that..(sigh)…Oh well..I’ll just have to convince the cousin that it will be worth it to him to just join..Thanks… ๐Ÿ™‚

  19. #36 by Debs4u on 2011.08.22 - 4:19 pm

    Do we HAVE to use the new There Im?? I used the 1st one and all my stuff and avies are good

    • #37 by seckoa92 on 2011.08.22 - 10:03 pm

      Just use the original one from the email

    • #38 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.23 - 2:25 am

      The changes from the “old” ThereIM to the current version are very minor — with the new one, you don’t have to patch the target in the shortcut properties (possibly a very good thing if you had to, say, reinstall ThereIM six months from now), and avatars who are online and available to chat with anyone now display a “thumb up” icon instead of the previous one that was visually similar to the “buddies only” status. From what Michael has posted, those may be the only changes in the newest version compared to the first one made available for recovered avatars.

  20. #39 by provolone66 on 2011.08.22 - 4:03 pm

    has anyone else ran into the problem that i can log into the There im but when i try to look at my profile it redircts me to login page and wont take my info just keeps redircting me back to login.
    i have tried my other alts and they work fine.

    • #40 by provolone66 on 2011.08.22 - 4:09 pm

      oh and when i try to look at provolone66’s profile from and alt account it gets redirected as well but can see its own profile fine.

      • #41 by CpnBob on 2011.08.22 - 9:34 pm

        Yes, I have 2 alt avies, same thing is happening.
        Also, the “ChangeMe” is kinda screwy on my main avie, as it shows “Wearing” on items in the saved outfits, when they’re not wearing.Example … I put on a military outfit, it shows up with noob sandals.When I go to the Military Boots, it shows wearing, so I cant change them.This happens on most saved outfits, even tho the correct items are in the wardrobe.
        When CpnBob goes to my Friends list, the 2 alt avies names are gone, but there is a space for them. So I deleted as friends. I dont mind that part, as I dont need either of them and I hope There removes them, as it seems I turned over all inventory before closing. lol.

    • #42 by Tre_Ghost on 2011.08.22 - 9:52 pm

      I had the same issue earlier today, even tried two different browsers. The way I got around it was to click shop from thereIM, which loaded properly, then after this my profile loaded without the login runaround.

  21. #43 by Kevin Aguilar on 2011.08.22 - 1:53 pm

    i cant wait for the updates for today to come, even my belly is talking, or maybe that diarrhea?

  22. #44 by Allmost home on 2011.08.22 - 11:42 am

    Well reclaimed my avi today and it is missing all the clothes so i am happy almost ready to get home

  23. #45 by Craig Hartley on 2011.08.22 - 11:18 am

    I know of several accounts that have not migrated, what is the recommended course of action?

    • #46 by PcDoc (RichInFlorida) on 2011.08.22 - 3:56 pm

      Use the feedback email address in your registration email to report the issue. Include your avatar name.

  24. #47 by migman on 2011.08.22 - 10:23 am


    • #48 by debpitts on 2011.08.22 - 1:30 pm

      lol, I agree. Dollbaby and I want Migman to set up some quests for us.

  25. #49 by JasonMK on 2011.08.22 - 8:25 am

    What so many are truly wondering…What exciting picture will accompany the next update? Or will there even be one? The suspense is killing me!

    • #50 by JasonMK on 2011.08.23 - 3:44 pm

      Looks like if you guessed “two screen captures and a photo (Egypt?)” you win the office pool.

  26. #52 by debpitts on 2011.08.22 - 7:00 am

    I am addicted to There Questing. Will quest kits still be functional? Pleaseeee say yes…..

    • #53 by Cef on 2011.08.22 - 7:19 am

      you aren’t the only one ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #54 by Mark B. (Cowbellwalken) on 2011.08.22 - 7:35 am

      From what I read they’ll need to be set back up, as in, they won’t be in the same places they were when the world closed. Outside of that the “functionality” of it should be hindered.

      • #55 by Mark B. (Cowbellwalken) on 2011.08.22 - 7:42 am


        Jeebus; my spelling has been atrocious as of late.

      • #56 by debpitts on 2011.08.22 - 1:28 pm

        The crazy thing about spelling errors is that most of us totally understand what people mean even with misspelled words. Thanks for the response. I can’t wait to do some questing….

  27. #57 by scroogeverse on 2011.08.22 - 6:52 am

    Here is today’s Scroogie update:

    Very ill last night, managed to keep the family from calling EMS. Feel better today, went to doc’s this morning and actually got out of there by noon, a miracle if you ask me.

    The Five is a pretty cool book, it’s about a rock n’ roll band on their last tour and some maniac is going to follow them on their tour and I guess attempt to kill them. Robert McCammon is always a joy to read, for me anyway. My favorite book by him is A Boy’s Life, a wonderful fantasy novel in the vein of Bradbury’s Something Wicked This Way comes. I highly recommend it.

    I forgot to pay my internet this month and it will be cut off on Friday. No big whoop, I’ll turn it back on as soon as I can. Hell, who knows, I might even pay this bill this week LOL.

    Oh yeah, on the topic of books, I found one that might be interesting while browsing Amazon. It’s a novel about a virtual world. Might be interesting, I went ahead and got it and will read it after I finish The Five. Here’s the link if you’re interested in checking it out.

    I am back on my diet and I no longer eat meat at all, which really narrows my menu choices. Anyone out there a vegitarion with some friendly advice? I’m all ears.

    There’s the Scroogie update for you update junkies. I hope the fix lasts long enough for your next update high. You silly junkies you.

    • #58 by Basya on 2011.08.22 - 12:07 pm

      Hey Scrooge! I took a look at that book; even though it looked interesting, it was to expensive for me — but I did download a sample to my Kindle. You might take a look at the free books offered (or even the lower priced ones) — some of them are quite entertaining!


  28. #59 by Seth on 2011.08.22 - 6:17 am

    For all the update junkies here is one for you : My grilled cheese is being cooked in the toaster-oven.

  29. #60 by Jerry66 on 2011.08.21 - 6:49 pm

    Have I missed a projected timeline on There being up and running? I am not impatient about it. I am just curious. My guess is 3 weeks it will be ready to log in. That is a couple weeks into September. It will be September 13th I think. But that is if I didn’t say it. Now you wouldn’t want me to be this guy with the ability to foresee the future so you will do anything to have the first day maybe be the 12th or another day I am sure.

  30. #61 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.21 - 6:36 pm

    Not a Mac, There would not run on it.

  31. #62 by Kev on 2011.08.21 - 5:18 pm

    Hey Mr. Wilson, what kind of computer do you use? Just curious lol.

    • #63 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.21 - 8:03 pm

      Well seeing how he is a very mobil CEO…He needs a mobil solution to run There on!
      This has leaked on to the internet as MW’s hand held that he is using to keep the business up and running!

      And when he is back at the office he has his “foundation top”

      • #64 by Kev on 2011.08.21 - 8:54 pm

        He sure knows how to keep it classy. LOL!

  32. #65 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.21 - 4:26 pm

    Sry if you answered this already MW butttttttt! Are we still going to have out testers standing around world? There always fun to beat up lol

    • #66 by scroogeverse on 2011.08.21 - 9:38 pm

      I haven’t seen him mention the Tests yet but I hope they make it back in, I’m going to be lonely without Tests to catch and Phill to pick on. What the heck was their original purpose anyway? Michael Wilson, I will bake you Christmas cookies if you answer ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #67 by scroogeverse on 2011.08.22 - 6:41 am

        Come on Mr. Wilson, my cookies are to die for. If you’re worried about me poisoning you I’ll buy you some lesser tastier cookies from the internet and send them to you at Christmas. Mr. Wilsonnnnnnnnn, I have cooooooookiesssss! ๐Ÿ˜€

      • #68 by Xx_Gangrel_xX on 2011.08.22 - 8:37 am

        On 2011.08.21 Scroogeverse said:
        “I havenโ€™t seen him mention the Tests yet but I hope they make it back in, Iโ€™m going to be lonely without Tests to catch and Phill to pick on. What the heck was their original purpose anyway? Michael Wilson, I will bake you Christmas cookies if you answer”

        I’d consider the veracity of that comment coming from XSnoopy, not you. Whats the point if you gonna stand amongst the remains of Zep with your ‘ff on?

      • #69 by scroogeverse on 2011.08.22 - 9:35 am

        Oh joy, Sole is back on his alt starting crap once again.

  33. #70 by Kayla on 2011.08.21 - 2:41 pm

    Will There ever be compatible with Mac OS X? Macs are becoming quite popular, so it seems silly that only people running windows can play the game. Limiting the game to certain people ultimately limits the amount of money you make.

    • #71 by Kev on 2011.08.21 - 5:15 pm

      He did say that a Mac version will be coming soon. But first, they need to resurrect the World, for it to happen. I do hope a Mac version comes out soon after the world opens though. It would really make us Mac users happy ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #72 by Golono on 2011.08.21 - 5:39 pm

      It isn’t like flicking a switch to get There to run on a Mac.. There currently has a small crowd of users and fact is, majority have computers running a version of Windows OS.. It is a costly matter to get it working on a Mac since they would actually need a Mac and I think I would rather them worry about breaking even rather than spending money for Mac users. After all, in my years of experience, Macs are just overpriced pieces of hardware.

      • #73 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.22 - 2:30 am

        I recall several people reporting (before There closed) getting There client to run in Wine; there should be no issues at all running it in a virtualizer with Windows XP or newer installed. The fastest way for Mac users to get There (once the 3D world opens) is to install one of several systems that allow running Windows in a window, and install There inside that window. However, as noted, there was a There client for Mac in beta testing before There closed; it shouldn’t be a huge project to finish it up once things have reached a reasonably steady state (my guess would be a couple months after 3D world opens to restart the beta for Mac There).

    • #74 by soybean on 2011.08.21 - 6:02 pm

      since Apple is going more and more into the clouds it maybe a waste of time to make a mac client.with saying that i would really hope that sometime in the future the There client will be cloud based then it wont matter what OS we use.

      • #75 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.21 - 6:47 pm

        There’s already a Mac Client. It’s just not baked for the There cluster yet.

        I seriously doubt that There in the Cloud would work. I’m not at all sure the Cloud-based Game rendering services would satisfy There users. Wasn’t Blue Mars going to the Cloud? What happened to that?

      • #76 by DavyRocket on 2011.08.21 - 7:30 pm

        Blue Mars was suppose to be using OTOY Cloud service, but there have been delay’s with Otoy. So I am not even sure they will do that now, but your right I don’t think it would be the same if it was cloud based. If I remember correctly it is not client based, it’s web based, But they have a open beta Blue Mars lite client instead.

      • #77 by jimony on 2011.08.22 - 1:55 pm

        Michael, what’s the difference between running There on Cloud servers or “There in the Cloud”?

      • #78 by fourlizards on 2011.08.22 - 2:29 pm

        One of the main reasons I had a Windows VM on my Mac was for There. I’ve barely used it since There closed. Guess it’ll be getting used more often soon. At least until the There Mac Client is ready.

      • #79 by Beta2003 on 2011.08.22 - 8:20 pm

        Jimony, “There in the cloud” woud be like running your There client up in the cloud and you only connect with a very lightweight client and stream the rendered video like a movie. Think like remote desktop if you’ve seen those. Otherwise think

        Before you even get into the ‘that’s a lot of video bandwidth for a cartoon’, any delays that occur between the client and There servers will only be magnified by the input delays of sending signals to the server.

        You may not think such a little bit would make an impact, but racers, paintballers, hoverboard acrobats and machinema makers might all suffer greatly. Also, it might prevent some of those who can’t get a big video pipe to stream affordably (or at all).

        That also doesn’t take bandwidth caps could come into play. A very rough calculation says that a 500GB/month cap at 3MB/s and 28 days in a month, you could logon less than 2 hours/day to stay under your cap. 2MB/s bitstream would not quite give you 3 hours/day.

        It might work for some, but given the limited resources, it doesn’t seem to be a high priority (if at all).

      • #80 by Beta2003 on 2011.08.22 - 8:29 pm

        sorry, forgot to come back with another analogy. I couldn’t come up with something simple that would be distinct from the fact that your already ‘remotely controlling an avatar’.

        kind of on topic: I tried to use LogMeIn Pro from Droid, an ipod touch and from a mac and was unable to render the ThereIM client running LogMeIn Free on my PC.
        The rest of the desktop renders fine. There are other options to try, but I haven’t had a lot of free time to try anything else yet.

      • #81 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.23 - 2:11 am

        Jimony, There running on cloud servers means that the server functions — sending terrain and avatar location and appearance data to the client and keeping track of where everything is — are to be handled by “dynamically allocated” servers. That’s what cloud servers are, really, servers that aren’t always running There server duties, but can be switched to other things depending on demand (sunny weekend, lots of There users are at the beach instead of in world, some There servers may be able to shut down for a while because there aren’t any avatars logged into their sectors — and Makena doesn’t have to pay for them when they’d be idle, unlike a dedicated server farm).

        What Michael is saying probably wouldn’t work is doing the rendering in the cloud — that would be, essentially, running There client on a cloud server, then serving the rendered frames via stream to a browser or browser plug-in. I can see a couple major problems with that; one is that it would require Makena to pay for server cycles for something virtually all There users already have: the basic computing power and storage to run the client; the other is that streaming would give an inferior user experience compared to a local client, requiring much more bandwidth (There, as it existed before closing, was just barely usable on 56k dial-up; that would surely not be the case with cloud rendering) and giving a lower resolution view with compression artifacts, like watching video on YouTube vs. watching the original from local storage (I’ve got some recent experience with this — cell phone videos that look fine before uploading lose the fine detail that was the point of the recording when recompressed).

        Or, to deeply summarize: running There server functions in the cloud saves money and won’t affect the user experience, while running There client functions in the cloud would cost money and seriously degrade the user experience.

      • #82 by jimony on 2011.08.23 - 1:19 pm

        Thanks Beta and Image. I wasn’t even thinking of the client as being able to run remotely, which was why I was confused.
        I would think downloading the client to run on our own computers is really the only way to go.

  34. #83 by RockinWolfman on 2011.08.21 - 11:19 am

    That would be a great idea if the captain goes for it!

  35. #84 by Jane on 2011.08.21 - 9:27 am

    I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but would it be legal for me to advertise for on Facebook? I understand that you guys don’t want to spend the money right now, but I would be willing to possibly put some advertisements on Facebook for 18+ to get the word out and hopefully build up a bigger customer base.

    • #85 by scroogeverse on 2011.08.21 - 11:50 am

      My suggestion, if you go through with this, is to wait until new members can sign up. I’m planning on doing something similar on other websites but I’m waiting for everything to be ready so that when they hear about it they can sign up, pay, and come on in..

      I think all of us who really love There should tell our friends, family, strangers about There once it is up and running again. I know on Onverse I managed to get a few people to sign up just by describing some of the things you could do in that virtual world. That’s what I am going to do with There once it is ready, just tell people some of the things you can do, like ride in buggies, shoot a paintball gun, chat, dress up, grief in Zona –oops, strike that last one out. Anyway, do that and give them a clickable link.

      I’ve tried organizing a group that would focus on inviting and getting the word out to new members, but I really am not a very good host or group leader. Perhaps when There is ready to rock n’ roll again more effort on my part can be focused on that.

    • #86 by Jane on 2011.08.21 - 12:59 pm

      Great:) thanks

  36. #87 by TheHippieMaster on 2011.08.21 - 6:43 am

    is it time for a Update

    • #88 by Kevin Aguilar on 2011.08.21 - 9:15 am

      no on the weekends, he usually updates Monday,

    • #89 by Neo_spawn on 2011.08.21 - 10:15 am

      I know right? I’m getting anxious for an update too, but I can’t help but think, is it good we haven’t gotten one yet? Maybe they are super busy getting things working and ready.

      • #90 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.21 - 10:34 am

        The last post was just three days ago, or one business day ago.


      • #91 by scroogeverse on 2011.08.21 - 11:00 am

        I feel for the update junkies who are looking for their fix. Here’s a Scrooge update(I’ll pretend you are).

        Bought a Kindle last week and I am absolutely in love with it. It’s small and I can take it anywhere. Tomorrow I have to go to my doctor and the purgatory waiting room wait won’t be so bad, I can attempt to look “cool” with my Kindle. Finished UR by Stephen King last night, awesome story — especially if you are a Tower junkie. Started on The Five by Robert McCammon last night and am loving it so far.

        I took the trash out this morning.

        I did dishes after I enjoyed a lovely breakfast of oats.

        There’s the scroogey update for you all.

        Oh, and I have no artistic talent at all, but pretend this is the first inworld picture of There2


      • #92 by Basya on 2011.08.21 - 12:53 pm

        Hey Scrooge! I was given a Kindle for my bday several months ago and I simply adore it! Have read a number and still have lots ready to read already — including a number of games! Enjoy!!

        Cya in There,

    • #93 by PcDoc (RichInFlorida) on 2011.08.21 - 10:37 am

      Dont expect an update on the weekends.. He will post one sometime Monday for sure.

    • #94 by DavyRocket on 2011.08.22 - 12:30 am

      Here is an update…

      There 3d client is not open yet.

      How’s that? ๐Ÿ™‚

  37. #95 by qweasdzxc979 on 2011.08.21 - 5:41 am

    I turn 18 today!

    • #96 by PcDoc (RichInFlorida) on 2011.08.21 - 10:34 am

      Happy Birthday

    • #97 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.21 - 1:48 pm


      • #98 by qweasdzxc979 on 2011.08.21 - 3:02 pm

        thank you everybody!

  38. #99 by SAmmyy on 2011.08.21 - 4:19 am

    My buddylist hasnt loaded completely. will it load or will i have to wait till world is re opened

    • #100 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.21 - 9:44 am

      Your Buddy list will update when the people that WERE on it when There closed, come back to ThereIM or game, when game opens.
      GP, xSnoopy

  39. #101 by martin71 on 2011.08.21 - 3:32 am

    i have been trying to get one of my main alt avatars back his name was odyssey_funzone i really would like to get him back but i think the email i used for him i can not remember it could you give me the emails provider that will give me a clue what i used please thank you

    thx again mart

    • #102 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.21 - 9:41 am

      You don’t need your original Email address now.
      Just click on “Invite Me Now” in the lower left corner of
      Then put in your Legacy avatar name and a CURRENTLY working Email address.
      You will get an email at the address you just typed in.
      Follow the instructions in the email and you should have no problems.
      GP, xSnoopy

      • #103 by martin71 on 2011.08.21 - 10:49 am

        it says your email dont match so you do need your original email

        witch mine is no longer in use

        i would like MW to reply please

      • #104 by PcDoc (RichInFlorida) on 2011.08.21 - 11:41 am

        you dont need your original email, unless you forgot your password and dont know the answer to your secret question.

      • #105 by martin71 on 2011.08.21 - 12:11 pm

        i did try but i still get this

        We have tried to reset the password for the old avatar:
        Email address does not match the one on file for this avatar.
        Press your browser’s back arrow to try again

        this what i get every time so u do need it

      • #106 by martin71 on 2011.08.21 - 12:15 pm

        cos i really need to get him back as he as all my good stuff for the funzone spent time and money on him i would not like to spend all that money again to get it all the stuff again

      • #107 by PcDoc (RichInFlorida) on 2011.08.21 - 3:07 pm

        Martin.. you will either have to remember which email account that avatar had when There closed, or answer the secret question. Sounds like maybe you did not set one up however, so you may need to do some brainstorming to remember which email it is, or to remember your password.. sorry..

        another alternative is that MW has metioned that they will be charging a nominal fee to do the leg-work in trying to reset your password. (mentioned somewhere in this blog). This of course is not available yet and will be announced when it is.

      • #108 by martin71 on 2011.08.21 - 4:53 pm

        il wait for MW to reply

      • #109 by martin71 on 2011.08.21 - 5:29 pm

        hey snoopy the email i used for it im no longer with that provider ๐Ÿ™‚

        or and djrae says hi

      • #110 by Philip Thereian Key on 2011.08.21 - 7:59 pm

        Martin, doubt MW will reply since he’s responded to this question MANY times. If you don’t rem your old password and you didn’t set a secret question and you don’t have access to your email you wil have to wait. AFTER the client gets going they will have a special service that will have a charge to research and verify you are who you are and get you reset. They just don’t have time to do that right now.

        Here;s what he last said on the issue:
        Q. Iโ€™ve forgotten my password, I donโ€™t have a secret question, and my old email address doesnโ€™t work.
        A. We canโ€™t help you at this time. We will probably be introducing a way for you to pay us a little money and weโ€™ll use laborious manual means to verify your identity. But thatโ€™s not set up yet. Sorry

        From thread:

      • #111 by martin71 on 2011.08.22 - 12:38 am

        ok thx if i new that was comming back i would have writin them down as i got hacked in to so i had to put a stronge one in and now i dont remember it for the Q i dint put one in..

        just hope i get it back when he sorts it out ..

  40. #112 by JonmiChel on 2011.08.21 - 3:31 am

    We want more updates !! How is the virtual world going!?

  41. #113 by Basya on 2011.08.21 - 2:59 am

    Help! Since the newer versions were so glitchy for me, I uninstalled then re-installed the orignal version we downloaded when we first came back! However, now whenever I inviite somebody to chat, they come in and just stand there! They don’t respond at all! Is it me??

    Please help and invite my avie (Basya) to a chat when you see me online!

    BTW, I did send my chatdumps from the last several days to Thereinc!



    • #114 by Basya on 2011.08.21 - 10:31 am

      Okay I’m now back in IM (the original version) and it works–finally!!!! This time when i re-installed, besides “unintalling”, I actually went in and deleted the entire ThereIm folder (not the Makena — still have There stuff there) and even the Prefetch, then cleaned registry. After a few attempts of connectiing with others, the IM finallly kicked in and had a lovely conversation with an old friend!

  42. #115 by Denitslava on 2011.08.20 - 8:14 pm

    Thank you a lot, Jo_Bleaux ๐Ÿ™‚ My ThereIM is working now.

  43. #116 by Jane on 2011.08.20 - 5:43 pm

    Will the same developer program be used in There2, or will there be new downloads?

  44. #117 by Craig Hartley on 2011.08.20 - 3:56 pm

    Would it be possible for us to have access to the Previewer Software? After all it is separate from the client and runs locally after all?

    Of course no one would be stupid enough to submit anything now (I would hope), but I know I’d sure like to use it in preparation…

  45. #118 by Elizabeth Robinson on 2011.08.20 - 3:44 pm

    I have to say that I love the way MW and his team are working like mad to get us all back into There. I’ve had those moments when I’m hellbent. They are life’s greatest… ๐Ÿ™‚

  46. #119 by Eric D. Copeland on 2011.08.20 - 3:15 pm

    I guess i was lucky ,the first thing i did was uninstall IM before running the new IM above ,iv’e not had any problem with it!

  47. #120 by taylorleigh on 2011.08.20 - 2:09 pm

    i got in to IM thing today…after few times trying,,i had same problem #215 post is having. kk im fine,, finally saw my avie,but she looks like a noobie still. WHICH is fine for me. dont really care,, just want the 3D world open up,,so i can go back home,,again.. Thank You,,everyone who is working too get this back up… TY TY…

    • #121 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 2:57 pm

      I don’t know why it looks like a noobie while on the main screen, but mine does too….When I go into “change me”, it more or less says that changes I make (when applied) will show to anyone else who can see the avatar…so I assumed I only see what others see when I am in the change me mode….tho I believe the hair did change on the main screen for me..but clothes stayed all white..hmmmm

    • #122 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.21 - 5:29 am

      Issubah and Taylor,
      You will have to wait for the Migration of your clothing. That can take from one to several days depending on how busy the guys at Makena are.
      When you get your CLOTHING, you can change your appearance and THEN click APPLY. Your changes will then be visible to others.
      The remainder of your Inventory will ONLY be visible in your Transaction History. You will be able to access that when 3D opens.
      You might want to read some of this previous blog, it will help you with problems like this.
      GP, xSnoopy.

      • #123 by Issubah on 2011.08.21 - 11:56 am

        GP, xSnoopy..
        You kinda lost me there.. When I go to my ThereIM and talk to a buddy, I see myself and the buddy..
        When I go to “change me”, I see me in a different little window, and I can dress me up from my clothes collection..and I do click on “apply”…then I close the “change me”, and then where I see me talking to buddy again, my clothes haven’t changed..Does THAT mean the clothes have not actually “migrated” yet?

      • #124 by taylorleigh on 2011.08.21 - 5:21 pm

        thank you,,snoopy..

      • #125 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.22 - 2:52 am

        There seems to be a problem.
        Do you see each new selection of clothing, on your avatar as you select different clothes? If you do then that part is working ok.
        After that, you click the APPLY button in the lower right corner of the Change screen.
        After you click on the Apply button, everyone in your chat group should be able to see what you changed into.
        If that procedure is not working properly, write an email to and explain to them what is happening. They should be able to help you.
        GP, xSnoopy

      • #126 by Issubah on 2011.08.23 - 4:15 am

        Thanks Snoopy…Yes, I see the change in clothes on my avatar as I am making the changes, and I see them as I click on apply.. But the changes don’t appear on my avatar when I am chatting with a buddy..and the changes are gone from my avatar in the “change me room” next time I log in..So it appears the changes I make are not “applying”..

  48. #127 by kk on 2011.08.20 - 12:01 pm

    When I try to log in it says, did I mistype my avatar name? What do I do Mr.Wilson!

    • #128 by kk on 2011.08.20 - 12:03 pm

      No server address found in address discovery XML response.

      • #129 by kk on 2011.08.20 - 12:05 pm

        It also says it cant find my avatar

    • #130 by Ant1977 on 2011.08.20 - 2:31 pm

      Did you get an e-mail invitation yet?
      Did you confirm your e-mail address?

  49. #131 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 7:58 am

    I got an invite to join a buggy group, but it won’t let me accept..Says page not available.. Don’t we have to wait for the world to open up before we can accept invites???

    • #132 by Ant1977 on 2011.08.20 - 2:33 pm

      You need to be using Internet Explorer, I know that it won’t work in Google Chrome.

      • #133 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 2:51 pm

        I use Firefox.. The message didn’t indicate Firefox wasn’t letting the page open or anything…??

      • #134 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 3:20 pm

        I went back and tried again, and what the link in the email took me to was a log-in page, and when I logged in, it took me right back to the log-in page again.. Have you been able to accept an invite to a group via an email link or otherwise?

      • #135 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 3:32 pm

        Alrighty then..Went into There Central, clicked on clubs/groups, looked in listing of groups and the one I was invited to was not listed..So…went back to email invite, copied link, went back to clubs/groups and pasted link into browser and voila, there it was..home page for group I was invited to join..and I was able to accept invitation right there..
        Question being, why did the link not work directly from email… Could not respond to email either, as it was a theremail account.. Hmmmm

      • #136 by McKensy on 2011.08.20 - 3:37 pm

        Using Opera – and group invites/accept works like a charm.

      • #137 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 4:34 pm

        Don’t know why it should work with one browser and not another..but then, I don’t know why some people were able to successfully get into and use ThereIM while others had problems..

      • #138 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.21 - 5:20 am

        Firefox is a fine browser BUT, There was built around Internet Explorer!
        Just make Internet Explorer your default browser and you will avoid all these posts, asking for advice.
        I don’t like Internet Explorer either but, “When in Rome”.
        GP, xSnoopy

    • #139 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.20 - 4:37 pm

      I’m glad you got in! We need more people YOUR ALL WELCOME so I want more of you to sign up for my group (BUGGIES ARE FOR FUN)
      No invite needed, you sign up and your in. The more people we get, the more fun we will have! We will have a blast in the new There!!
      You need no skills, just come show off your buggy or race it or just sit around and chat with your friends, just like the good old days in There.
      Hope to see you all in There!!

      • #140 by Issubah on 2011.08.20 - 6:03 pm

        I’m glad too…or will be once we can actually get into the buggies again.. ๐Ÿ˜›

  50. #141 by Goddess_Lexcee on 2011.08.20 - 6:53 am

    someone needs to write a book about & it’s many memories and adventures and wonderful people! MW thanks again to you and your crew for working so hard and keeping us updated. Gives me some closure so i’m not off on loose end pulling my hair out :O
    I’m sure many of us don’t understand all the facts and details but you took the time out to still explain them to us to the best of your abilities. So I would find it extremely annoying and frustrating seeing questions people ask that has already been answered clearly in a hundred different ways.


  51. #142 by Alease on 2011.08.20 - 5:58 am

    I am finally in ~ YAY!! Thanks MW, Samsyn, Bruce and all for all your hard work… Woot!!

  52. #143 by watchlight on 2011.08.20 - 1:46 am

    I can feel the spirit of coming back ๐Ÿ˜€

  53. #144 by superjuice on 2011.08.19 - 10:57 pm

    I don’t know why but I still cant see my buddies and my change me option is still grayed out. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ i uninstalled the old there im and reinstalled the new on on this post. I have no idea why my Change Me option is grayed out when it shows in my transaction history that i have all of my clothes and what not. I haven’t been able to see my avatar or my buddies since we first started this…..

    What could i honestly be doing wrong? I’m 100% positive i did everything right and still nothing….. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    • #145 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.20 - 7:25 am

      Not seeing buddies *might* be due to an account that isn’t yet migrated, but that shouldn’t prevent being able to use Change Me. When you uninstalled, did you restart after uninstalling, then delete the entire Makena folder before reinstalling? If not, try that; it may resolve a corrupted or wrong version file hanging on through the reinstalls. Also, be sure any firewall or antivirus you have has been correctly informed to trust ThereIM.

      • #146 by superjuice on 2011.08.20 - 8:28 pm

        I tried all that you recommended and im still having the same result. deleted the files, uninstalled, restarted, checked my firewalls and anti virus and my change me is still grayed out and my buddies screen is still saying loading buddies. I reclaimed my avatar when the invite me now option was first available and all my stuff is migrated over as i can see it in my transaction history. I just dont know what could be wrong? maybe something up with my computer?

      • #147 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.22 - 2:35 am

        Superjuice, what you describe sounds very much as if your ThereIM client is somehow failing to communicate with the cloud server. The first place to look for that kind of failure is a firewall that might be blocking ThereIM, thinking it’s a trojan or back door. My experience suggests the built-in Windows Firewall sometimes activates itself, even when you’ve installed other firewall software and Windows firewall should be peacefully sleeping. Even if it hasn’t, it might be worth temporarily disabling your firewall and, if you have a third party firewall, making sure Windows firewall is completely turned off, just to see if that changes anything.

      • #148 by superjuice on 2011.08.22 - 1:40 pm

        I tried turning off my firewalls and still nothing. Should i send this problem to feedback? Cause everything i try is not working….. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

        This really sucks I haven’t been able to see my avie YET! And i see everyone commenting saying they have no problems and There IM is working smoothly for them and they can see there buddies and there avie……. I swear if I cant see my Avie in the 3D World when it comes out im going to lose it…. Seriously.

        If I cant get this working properly by tomorrow then i think im just going to quit trying and give up…… cause this is getting hopeless.

  54. #149 by Denitslava on 2011.08.19 - 10:44 pm

    Ok.I will wait for any news.Thank you.

  55. #152 by Denitslava on 2011.08.19 - 10:32 pm

    Windows 7 (32 bit)

    • #153 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 10:40 pm

      Let me check with SamSyn, we just solved this problem for another user. But it’s 12:30AM here, so you’ll have to be patient. Sorry!

      • #154 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.20 - 10:31 am

        XP in my case. And that particular problem is not solved here, but at least I have a workaround that I found on my own. Unfortunately, I haven’t had any such luck resolving the DirectX bug that trashes my video and crashes my system, so I’m unable to use ThereIM for more than a few minutes. But you would know all that if you weren’t ignoring my posts ๐Ÿ˜›

  56. #155 by Denitslava on 2011.08.19 - 10:26 pm

    I don’t use any antivirus program and i closed the firewall and I still can’t log in.

  57. #157 by Denitslava on 2011.08.19 - 10:13 pm

    When i try to log in ThereIM,it says this ” unable to look up server adress.Please check the connection and try again. HTTP connection to port 0 for timeout reached, canceling connection.” Does anyone know whats the problem?

    • #158 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 10:20 pm

      I _Think_ we’ve seen that with some antivirus/anti-spam/firewalls.

      What, if any, are you using?

      • #159 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.20 - 10:26 am

        This error occurs with my installation of ThereIM, even with antivirus and firewall completely disabled.

        Denitslava, do you use Internet Explorer or some other product as your primary browser? I suspect that there may be a compatibility issue with not using IE because of its non-standard way of handling XML, but I can’t seem to get an official response from Michael Wilson about this, nor about the DirectX rendering bug that inevitably crashes my system.

        In the absence of such a response, I will assume that there is no objection to me telling you the workaround that I found:

        Open your web browser and load (Where YourAvatarName is your avatar name)
        This should return some XML with an IP address and port; e.g.

        Copy the address and port, and change your ThereIM shortcut back to the old format using this info, changing the last dot to a colon;
        e.g. c:\Makena\ThereIM\ThereIM.exe -a

        Select ‘Apply’ or ‘OK’ to save the changed shortcut.

  58. #160 by CpnBob on 2011.08.19 - 6:53 pm

    Taz & Deanna ~ See post #168 by CodyX

  59. #161 by Lela on 2011.08.19 - 6:43 pm

    You should make a sort of “tech support only” forum. It would be very limited to critical matters like leaving panic-grams when they can’t log in at all and a place that is out of world where There can make major announcements to us.

    Where will we announce to There major bugs?

    You should have a reward program for finding economic bugs and reporting them promptly.

    “Some There, over the rainbow”

  60. #162 by Barbara Ellison on 2011.08.19 - 6:04 pm

    OMG!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ My whole wardrobe is there!!! I didn’t know I would be able to see myself and a buddy talking in ThereIM til a little while ago.., and could change
    clothes!! I am so happy to have seen my avatar again..It’s been so long!!! This is just so freakin cool!!! You guys who got my ThereIM to work I thank you so much!!!!!!! Happy happy happy happy… ๐Ÿ™‚

  61. #163 by Deanna on 2011.08.19 - 5:51 pm

    it’s not letting me log in, i did all of the steps it told me to but it says ” a system error has occured, see details for more information ” so i don’t know what to do, it was working just yesterday lol

  62. #164 by iTR0UBLE on 2011.08.19 - 5:35 pm

    Wow MW you’re a very good photographer. keep posting those photos along with the updates! ‘tu

  63. #165 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.08.19 - 5:21 pm

    Haha I hope you don’t mean we will have hair on our faces if we are female.

    • #166 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.20 - 3:36 pm

      I think “textured faces” means something along the line of being able to map a photographic or other image onto your avatar’s face. Done well, this could let anyone without a very long beard or very long hair make their avatar’s face look a great deal like their real life face.

      • #167 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.20 - 4:17 pm

        It does not mean that.

      • #168 by JasonMK on 2011.08.20 - 5:21 pm

        does it mean we can have a 5 o’clock shadow?

  64. #169 by qweasdzxc979 on 2011.08.19 - 4:44 pm

    I can’t remember my password for qweasdzxc979
    I tried recovering it using my email i registered it with and it says It’s the wrong email
    Is the recovery system not working? Or do I have to be very, very, very sad?

    • #170 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.20 - 2:28 pm

      It sounds as if you’re using a different e-mail than the one you had before There closed. You need to use the same e-mail you had then for password recovery without a Secret Question to work, I believe.

  65. #171 by _Taz on 2011.08.19 - 3:17 pm

    So, before I reinstall ThereIM, should I uninstall the older one, or just exit it?

    • #172 by _Taz on 2011.08.19 - 3:25 pm

      Nevermind ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #173 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.20 - 7:21 am

      For others following along… As long as you completely exit ThereIM (no icon in the System Tray), it should work to just install the new one (it asked me if I wanted to uninstall the old version first, then did so once it had permission).

      Mind you, I’m on Windows XP Home (Service Pack 3, fully up to date on security patches), and don’t run either an antivirus or software firewall (I’m behind a router firewall, and have been at this a lot longer than most who try to distribute viruses). Newer versions of Windows and especially software firewalls and antivirus systems may complicate things, but it shouldn’t be any harder than updating any other software for those folks…

  66. #174 by _Taz on 2011.08.19 - 3:14 pm

    Yessss, that spa slider thing always bugged me!

  67. #175 by scrapbug on 2011.08.19 - 2:20 pm

    Using the newest version with no issues so far…knock on wood…YAY!!!

  68. #176 by CpnBob on 2011.08.19 - 11:26 am

    OK, YAY! I got it. For those having problems, go to computer programs and uninstall ThereIM and Makena. Then install from the “Here” link at the top of this blog.. Go to your tools, to safety, and turn off Smart Screen Filter. On the Install Box, when it says options are only “Delete” and “Do Not Run”, go to the advanced option below and force it to accept the program. Try ThereIM from the Desktop I con. If you get Segmentation Violation reboot and try again. Should work fine now.
    Thanks Mr. Wilson for your help.
    IndyLou, sometimes things are a little more complicated.

    • #177 by IndyLou on 2011.08.19 - 2:23 pm

      My apologizes to you CpnBob. My posting was more in reference to the one from Mickey Hawk, who had posted once, answers were given, then he posted again. I had forgotten to hit the reply on his posting when I did that posting.

    • #178 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 8:52 pm

      So you’re NOT having SegVios any more?

  69. #179 by Barbie Doll on 2011.08.19 - 10:24 am

    Thank you for the look set explanation.

  70. #180 by IndyLou on 2011.08.19 - 10:13 am

    When did reading, writing and reading comprehension stop being taught in schools? I’m sorry, but, really, some off these questions. Guess I’m feeling “snarky” now.

    • #181 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.19 - 11:14 am

      SAD, isn’t it!!
      The only individual that is allowed to be SNARKY, on this blog is Our unprofessional office manager, Michael!
      You, on the other hand, are free to feel sad at the state of education in the US school system.
      Ah, YES, one more thing to blame on the pathetic people who seem to have forgotten, just exactingly who voted for them and the reason we did.
      Oops, just fell off of my soap box. Must be some omen telling me its time to shut up ๐Ÿ™‚ Or is it Michael shaking my soap box, yet again ๐Ÿ™‚
      GP, xSnoopy

    • #182 by Escape on 2011.08.19 - 11:29 am

      Be careful what you say. Snarky (the nick) could stick to you.. ‘wave

  71. #183 by Codyx on 2011.08.19 - 10:12 am

    Try to re install ThereIM and go to ThereIM properties replace the (-a in target with (-l

    • #184 by CpnBob on 2011.08.19 - 3:48 pm

      Codyx ~ If I had had this post yesterday I wouldnt have had all those problems. This would have solved the prob. Thanks!

      • #185 by Codyx on 2011.08.20 - 4:59 am

        No problem ;D

      • #186 by PcDoc (RichInFlorida) on 2011.08.21 - 10:32 am

        The info in line #180 is posted in various places in this blog. Glad you got working CpnBob, but just wanted to point that out ๐Ÿ™‚

  72. #187 by CpnBob on 2011.08.19 - 10:07 am

    Neither the old one or the new one work., I keep getting the same old address in the properties. I have uninstalled ThereIM and Makenna three times and reinstalled, with the same results. I tried it with the ressurection email link you placed in your reply above and still got the same result. As of now, I cant access at all. You said go ahead and use the old one. However that does the same thing now. Where do we start to run the new one?

    • #188 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 10:17 am

      I am baffled. Waiting for SamSyn to suggest something.

      As long as you’re talking to that address (64…), you’re going to fail. If you’re (a) Installing the old one and changing the target as described in the email, or (b) using the new one, it shouldn’t be talking to that address.

      • #189 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.19 - 11:32 am

        MW if the address dont work for us can you plzz Type out everything that goes in the target box so we can try and type it in our selfs because that 64 address it kicking my ass, Thx for everything you and you team has done for all of us There junkies. lol… P.S I can`t even download the old ThereIM now and i`ve cleaned out my computer.

      • #190 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.19 - 12:06 pm

        Ok i don`t know what the hell i did, But i got IM back i dont know if it`s the new one but i got one lol

    • #191 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.19 - 11:05 am

      Check the size of the Install file you are using!
      If it isn’t:

      (11,632,856 bytes)

      Then you do NOT have the latest one.
      Are you using Internet Explorer to download it?
      Go to the HERE link at the start of THIS blog, Right click on the word HERE, select Copy Link Location
      Open Internet Explorer and go to the URL bar and paste the Link you copied in the previous line.
      A Info box should open for you. Select a location to save the file.
      Again, the size of the file should be: 11,632,856 bytes
      Install ThereIM
      Good luck,
      GP, xSnoopy

  73. #192 by Mickey Hawk on 2011.08.19 - 8:40 am

    There does not exist so how can anyone get on a program that is not even online at all?

    • #193 by Eatings on 2011.08.19 - 9:41 am

      -_- you don’t deserve to play There.

      You’re probably under 18 anyway.

    • #194 by Grimm on 2011.08.19 - 10:10 am



    • #195 by Melody_Chase on 2011.08.19 - 10:12 am

      Well we are on thereIM for now….and patiently (sometimes) waiting for opening day….

    • #196 by Mollie Duvall H. (@sunshinefacemd) on 2011.08.21 - 10:47 am

      Are you smoking something?

  74. #197 by Cellophane Thereian on 2011.08.19 - 8:38 am

    My excitement level is notching up again. Hear it? (shooooshhhhhhhhhh)… Yep, up another level… ๐Ÿ˜€

  75. #198 by JonmiChel on 2011.08.19 - 7:42 am

    It won’t be a pain in the ass about “lookset” because we all will go to the SPA’s like sales in the stores and keep changing ourselves over and over so…!

  76. #199 by Puddlefish on 2011.08.19 - 7:32 am

    Face textures??? Face textures??? We don’t need no stinking face textures!!!

  77. #200 by Michelle on 2011.08.19 - 7:00 am

    Easy Breezy….no problems switching for me!

  78. #201 by Abacus on 2011.08.19 - 6:34 am

    Not sure if this was asked before but could the old forums be restored just for ‘reading purposes only’.

    There use to be a lot of good info in those old threads and it would be a shame to just throw all of the old history away.

    • #202 by TheHippieMaster on 2011.08.19 - 8:42 am

      read the forms its been answered dang NO FORMS AT ALLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • #203 by Tre_Ghost on 2011.08.19 - 9:50 am

      Actually that question aint been answered. No forums is because it requires moderation. Posting old forum archives without the ability to make a new post is an entirely different thing.

      • #204 by TheHippieMaster on 2011.08.20 - 7:28 am

        READ THE BLOG YES IT HAS The There Forums will never be opening again. There are lots of good alternatives, and you donโ€™t have to worry about what you say about us

  79. #205 by Esky on 2011.08.19 - 6:27 am

    Welcome back Mackie! Great news, and thanks MW (and the team) for the update and new install.

  80. #206 by TheHippieMaster on 2011.08.19 - 6:26 am

    Hey MW Ready To Pull Ya Hair Out Yet With These Qustions that been awanswed many of times look i am so mad hearing about it i mis spelled words LOL

  81. #207 by Christy Clendenen on 2011.08.19 - 5:58 am

    Ok, so I installed the new bright and shiny ThereIm and have gotten nothing but seg vios ( and not the avatar segvio LOL ) I installed right after I turned my comp on this morning just a little bit ago so nothing was running or had been running. It works just everytime I make a move I get a segvio. I drank an entire latte while reading your update Commander LOL Most of that is just common sense, but I have read some of the posts and get why you needed to explain it * Grinz*

    • #208 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 5:59 am

      Wow. So can you (for sure) try:

      1. Exit ThereIM using the ThereIM icon in the task bar.
      2. Remove the c:\Program Files\Makena folder
      3. install again.


      • #209 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.19 - 10:53 am

        You might want to re-boot after uninstalling ThereIM and removing the Makena Folder. Then do the installation.

  82. #210 by toufovou on 2011.08.19 - 5:36 am

    Ok, i just decided to activate my mule avatar. Added a email this time. I recieved the email instantly but it was in my junk mail. Hopefully it was just me and there are no issues with hotmail accounts.

  83. #211 by TheHippieMaster on 2011.08.19 - 5:31 am

    there is no prob with installing the there im these people must be drunk or or dont know how to do stuff right your program works fine lets start working on the 3d world so we can enjoy our freedom to buggy and boat and fly

    • #212 by Kattwomann on 2011.08.19 - 10:37 am

      I’m not sure what the problem is with some of these people. My punctuation works just fine! Let’s get started working on the world so we can have voice and don’t have to read run-on sentences!

  84. #213 by invu34 on 2011.08.19 - 5:08 am

    Just installed the update and it started right off without a glitch!! WOOO HOOOO…Welcome back Mackie hope you are going to be doing some modeling again. If I understand this correctly…..As for the skin color I can see it reverting to the “original” that we created when we were born. However the looksets that we created should have restored the skin tone that we saved in spas. My “closing skin tone” is not in my lookset. I also caught this comment in your post MW “back from the days when clothing had to be โ€˜marriedโ€™ to a particular skin color.” Does this mean clothing is not going to have to be married to a certain skin color? I know there were several other clothing that was made for any skin color, but most of the ones I have in inventory are married to Caramel, and Caramel was not a “Picker Color” upon creating your new avie. Just thought I would point this out. I will be heading to the spa as soon as I get in virtual world. I have to protect my image don’t I? LOL……Now for “3rd Party” add ons…Is there anyway you could work with let’s say for example JsCompass or Thumdar to incorporate these things into THERE? So they are no longer “3rd Party” add ons? I personally will be installing JSCompass as it was a great help to me!

    • #214 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.19 - 11:24 am

      I think it’s safe to say that if enhanced compasses (for instance) are ever incorporated into the client, it’ll be some time down the road after the 3D world is open and operating at break-even or even a profit — maybe even enough profit to hire another engineer.

      That said, I’ll most likely install the old GPS for Dummies I used to use, once I know the 3D world is working correctly; if the supporting server can be regained or replaced (and software updated for the new server address, if necessary). Anyone seen BtSt?

  85. #215 by Nancy Russell on 2011.08.19 - 3:52 am

    No cats?!? Ok, now the fur is really going to fly!


    • #216 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.08.20 - 5:01 am

      We need cats in There…if nothin else for the kittylitter pans. How else am I gonna bury xSnoopy after I destroy him at paintball?

      • #217 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.20 - 7:15 am

        The millions of virtual tons (or tonnes, if you’re in a metric country) of virtual sand in Dune Valley isn’t sufficient? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ I suppose you could turn off your water, haul him out to The Drain and drop him in, then turn the water back on so the plug keeps him down… ;D

      • #218 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.08.20 - 2:39 pm

        Nah… Kittylitter… preferably already used… Alot.

        *grins evilly*

  86. #219 by LeeLee on 2011.08.19 - 3:40 am


  87. #220 by xMelodyChasex on 2011.08.19 - 3:35 am

    Great pic!!!

    I for one am not worried about my lookset. I know what cor my avi was. I have no problem going to the spa to create a new one should I have to. More progress is exciting!!

  88. #221 by Cassi on 2011.08.19 - 3:09 am

    Ok… had a bit of issue on Win 7 downloading the new IM client, it kept coming up that it was gonna harm my PC, once i finally found the override so I could get rid of that message and install it anyway, I got an error message stating that it had not installed correctly. (so I ignore that as well). All in all it is up and running with no known issues.

    Secondly, I would like to say that your blog on Ipad2 is quite impressive. Its very much nicer than the windows IE version. HOWEVER the only annoying thing is I can’t comment unless I log into WP or facebook or twitter. Came back on the desktop to post cause I couldn’t be bothered lol.

  89. #222 by Adam Macy on 2011.08.19 - 2:10 am

    nice update and i got the new IM , but still not all my stuff is there guees ill have to wait tell the world opens and see what happens

  90. #223 by krystal_rox on 2011.08.19 - 1:39 am

    so…tried to log into…couldnt remember my PW for the life of me. Had them send a new one…tried new one…kept getting error messages. then i got an email from aral? to verify my email with a hyperlink that didnt work. anyone have/had similar issues?

  91. #224 by Aaron on 2011.08.19 - 1:21 am

    Good news, I hope to see an update on the “Give” Option :D.

  92. #225 by Tiger100 on 2011.08.19 - 12:34 am

    “Weโ€™ve found that the member(s) had given or traded away all of their stuff shortly before There closed.”

    I never understood why people started selling all their stuff when there was about to close… totally pointless

  93. #226 by Jerry66 on 2011.08.19 - 12:23 am

    I meant notch around the neck area. Sorry I am a stickler for fixing my typos

  94. #227 by Jerry66 on 2011.08.19 - 12:22 am

    Not a bad shot on Alpine Glow. But I would expect the colors of at sundown with some glow of those colors. I liked the name AlpineGlow but someone snapped it up as a dotcom with their Alpine Glow shot. I guess you are camping again. I think I might do that someday myself.

    Anyway about the face textures. I hope that means the look of my avatar will be realistic. And I won’d want my new Clooney-like textured face to make a funky funny face that our current avatars make when dancing. That I could do without. I don’t like that. Also I hope that we can put skins on our avatar’s body. Texture it as you said we will our faces. I don’t know why you didn’t mention that. And you did say we will have all of our fingers too later. Plus please work on that noch around the neck if possible. I am sure you will smooth that out. We would all like to take our shirts off someday on the beach.

  95. #229 by andy3003 on 2011.08.18 - 11:06 pm

    There 3Dis not available to download yet …it will need to be tested by a select few first before being opened to the public …..shouldnt be too much longer now ๐Ÿ™‚

  96. #230 by Pilot_51 on 2011.08.18 - 9:28 pm

    Would there by chance be a way to change the renderer in ThereIM kind of like with the There client? I’m trying to use it in VirtualBox and the avatar view is messed up with polygons stretching everywhere, maybe a problem with the conversion from DirectX to OGL. The resources\ren\glhardwareconfig.txt indicates that there is support for both and may in fact default to OGL for most cards/drivers according to the comment towards the bottom about SiS. I’m comfortable editing files or registry, which I’m sure would be necessary if it’s even possible.

    Everything below here is about my ThereIM tests in Wine 1.3.26. I don’t expect anything to be done about it especially since focus needs to be on the main client, but I’m giving the details anyway just in case it’s useful in the future.
    Wine (or other compatibility layers) would be the easiest way to get ThereIM/There working under Linux without the bulk of running a full virtualized Windows OS or building separate clients. It’s more or less just a matter of making it compatible with a condensed version of Windows (or vice versa). Most of these issues may be better fixed on the Wine side, so collaboration with the Wine devs is encouraged if you ever give any attention to non-native Linux support, but until then I’ll do my part by reporting bugs to their issue tracker.

    Here’s the end of There.log that appears to be related to ThereIM crashing under Wine after quickly flashing the login window (I compared with the log in VirtualBox which runs fine):
    Aug19/00:29:05.62983 9 UiWin32:4 doSleep: Platform does not support reliable sleep.
    Aug19/00:29:05.63286 9 UiWin32:4 DdeCallback: type 32930, format 0
    Aug19/00:29:05.63292 9 UiWin32:4 XTYP_REGISTER, no action taken

    Here’s the terminal command and messages/errors:
    $ wine “C:\Makena\ThereIM\ThereIM.exe” -l
    Command Line: ‘-l
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to ImBuddyWindow “”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to ImBuddyWindow “”, which already has a layout
    fixme:alsa:AudioClient_GetMixFormat Don’t know what to do with 32 channels, pretending there’s only 2 channels
    fixme:alsa:AudioClient_GetMixFormat Don’t know what to do with 16 channels, pretending there’s only 2 channels
    fixme:alsa:AudioClient_GetMixFormat Don’t know what to do with 32 channels, pretending there’s only 2 channels
    fixme:alsa:AudioClient_GetMixFormat Don’t know what to do with 16 channels, pretending there’s only 2 channels
    err:alsa:ALSA_CheckSetVolume Could not find ‘{PCM,Line} Playback Volume’ element
    fixme:dsalsa:IDsDriverBufferImpl_SetVolumePan (0x3aee950,0x3add4c0): stub
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout “” to CustomDecorWindow “customDecorWindow”, which already has a layout
    Unknown property subcontrol-original
    Unknown property subcontrol-original
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    Object::connect: No such slot ImLoginWindow::menuManager(PiImMenuManager*)
    Object::connect: (sender name: ‘customDecorWindow’)
    Object::connect: (receiver name: ‘ImLoginWindow’)
    QObject::connect: Cannot connect CustomDecorWindow::menuManager( PiImMenuManager * ) to (null)::menuManager( PiImMenuManager * )
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    fixme:imm:ImmReleaseContext (0x20020, 0x392e7e0): stub
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name ‘balck’
    fixme:win:FlashWindowEx 0x32da64
    Unknown property subcontrol-original
    Unknown property subcontrol-original
    X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
    Major opcode of failed request: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)
    Value in failed request: 0x0
    Serial number of failed request: 3109
    Current serial number in output stream: 3149

    As for “balck”, it’s a simple typo fix in \resources\im\imstylesheet.txt line 95. For “subcontrol-original”, it should be “subcontrol-origin” on lines 357 and 365. Obviously, these are minor issues that affect all ThereIM installations and not just Wine.
    I’m not sure exactly what’s up with the rest, but I’ll be picking away at it.

    If/when I get There working in Wine, I’ll be posting instructions on the Wine AppDB and asking some of my Linux friends to give it a spin. There’s no denying, money coming from users of unsupported operating systems is a good thing, especially when Makena doesn’t need to spend extra to get it flowing and most of said users know that Wine is the most likely cause of problems. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #231 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 4:59 am

      I can make those two typo updates.

      As I recall, there is some limitation with multiple windows and OpenGL which kept us from using it. I’ll see if I can remember.

      • #232 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.19 - 8:32 am

        Mr. Wilson,

        I was never able to use the DX8 version of There without it trashing every attached video display, leaving my system completely unusable until I forced a reboot, usually via reset button. This problem occurred across multiple systems; it wasn’t isolated to one single computer. As I recall, a significant number of other members also experienced this problem.

        In any event, I’m only able to use ThereIM for a few minutes at a time because the same rendering bug is present in the IM client (and there is no option for OpenGL). Apparently the same code was used for both IM and for the 3D world.

        I hope this bug will be resolved with the upgrade to DX9. Regardless, please continue to offer OpenGL as an alternative for the 3D world. Open standards are a Good Thing(TM). (Now, what would really be GREAT is if all the video stuff that required DirectX were fixed to work with OpenGL!)

        I know there are many things to iron out before the 3D world is available. Nevertheless, I would very much appreciate the courtesy of an acknowledgement of this issue. Please understand: I’m not trying to be a drama queen but the removal of OpenGL without resolving this bug will be a “show-stopper” for me.

        I’m willing to do without the spiffy video features that were available only via DirectX. But as much as I love There, I am NOT willing to pay for the frustration of constantly rebooting my system, nor for the file damage which can result from such crashes.

      • #233 by Pilot_51 on 2011.08.22 - 4:12 am

        Jo, I think I know the bug you’re talking about. Is that the one where using There in DX8 for awhile caused weird problems like the Windows task bar to flicker to the top of the screen and be unclickable among other things? It even happened after the client has been closed. Sometimes you were lucky and it only lasted a few seconds, though without a reboot it would eventually come back for good. It’s been maybe 3 years since I experienced it, but that’s the gist of the problem as I remember it. I posted it in detail somewhere on the forums, though that’s probably gone forever.

      • #234 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.24 - 7:50 pm

        Pilot_51, that is the bug I’m talking about. I wish Michael Wilson would talk about it.

  97. #235 by Mickey Hawk on 2011.08.18 - 9:26 pm

    I have made new avatar and and completed all the tasks but only get to There Central page.

    anyone else have the same problem?

    cannot enter 3d world and all of the links are errors or say try again later etc.


    • #236 by Eatings on 2011.08.18 - 9:51 pm

      There 3D world is not open at the moment. There’s no predicted date as to when it will open either(before you ask). There IM, however, is open and operating just fine. (:

    • #237 by DavyRocket on 2011.08.18 - 10:13 pm

      eh, This question and problem has been answered so many times now it is really getting rediculous. There 3d world IS NOT OPEN YET. ThereIM is the only thing open right now as staff continue working on the 3d world. Please don’t take offense to that, but if you would look back at previous post your question has been answered many many times already ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #238 by Tre_Ghost on 2011.08.18 - 10:33 pm

      you can only use thereIM for now, they are working on bringing the world back still. It should be in a few weeks hopefully.

    • #239 by CpnBob on 2011.08.18 - 10:47 pm

      There is no 3d world, only the IM.

    • #240 by Tiger100 on 2011.08.19 - 12:32 am

      The world is still closed… You can only enter ThereIM at the moment

    • #241 by thereuser on 2011.08.19 - 12:48 am

      3d world isn’t up yet… only thereIM (a chat only client, no 3d world)…. re-read the first email for setup help for thereIM.

    • #242 by Sue_G on 2011.08.19 - 4:34 am

      Only ThereIM is currently available. The 3D world is NOT open yet. They are working very hard on getting it up and running ๐Ÿ™‚

  98. #243 by SB on 2011.08.18 - 9:19 pm

    Great update! Would certainly do business again! A++++

    ………..Ummm…wait, this isn’t Ebay is it!….~lol~

    Seriously though, looking good and great job everyone!

  99. #244 by GaryBob on 2011.08.18 - 9:04 pm

    I just had a thought and feel free to ignore this if you’ve answered it before or plan on answering it somewhere down the road to opening the world.

    Since it’s looking like we may have to re-select skill rewards with new golden tickets, what happens to skill rewards that were in PaZ layouts? Or skill rewards that *were* PaZs themselves? Will they simply not be there when we do get back in world? It’s not a big deal for me – my PaZs should be simple to reconstruct – but I can see why it might cause problems for others.

    Random side question: Will our drinks/paintball guns/dog treats remember how much they had in stock? Or will they start off empty/full?

    Thank you again for all the hard work Team Phoenix!

    • #245 by Greenie on 2011.08.19 - 12:48 pm

      Most of my skill rewards consisted of duplicated avacado eye brows and lips, groucho glasses, etc, so I wasn’t concerned about not getting old skill rewards.

      Interesting question GaryBob. It wouldn’t be fun to lose my casual zones.

      So be it, if it means THERE is live again…

  100. #246 by Andrew Harris on 2011.08.18 - 8:39 pm

    Ok since the opening of invitations it has been like this video (hint hint SaltySilver!):

    People are partying in ThereIM – just imagine the 3D World when it opens! Hope you guys have enough 10 dollar bills! ๐Ÿ˜€

    Thanks for all your hard work MW and staff!

  101. #247 by CpnBob on 2011.08.18 - 8:24 pm

    Hmph … well, I couldn’t quit ThereIM, so I went in and uninstalled it. Now the new ThereIM won’t load, so I’m without IM. Should I just go back to and load the original IM? Please advise? Thanks!

    • #248 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.18 - 8:28 pm

      So did the new installer not work?

      You can always use the link from the resurrection email:

      • #249 by DavyRocket on 2011.08.18 - 8:57 pm

        Working fine for me, although I am noticing some have green thumbs up others are still green dots. Oh perhaps they are still using the older installer?

      • #250 by CpnBob on 2011.08.18 - 9:03 pm

        Thanks, MrWilson ~ OK, I used this link and it seems to have downloaded and installed. However, when I get the “Welcome” box and click “Sign In” on it I keep getting a “System Error” notice, details say
        HTTP connection to port 52311 failed: connection timed out (for /login/avatarlogin?avdoid=0&avname=CpnBob&password=********&loginoverride=0&noinstantiate=1&clientname=ThereIM&clientversion=im-2.0.9240r00) for authDoid 1, host, service “login”, command “avatarlogin”, query “avdoid=0&avname=CpnBob&password=*****

      • #251 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.18 - 9:22 pm

        Hmm. The problem is sounds very much like our OLD address . Here is what I would try:

        1. Reboot.
        2. Re-install ThereIM
        3. Use the DESKTOP icon

        Let us know how it goes.

        P.S. Aren’t you the Vonira CpnBob?

      • #252 by CpnBob on 2011.08.18 - 9:15 pm

        I tried rebooting with the same result

      • #253 by CpnBob on 2011.08.18 - 10:45 pm

        OK Mr.Wilson, I uninstalled the entire ThereIM, then used the link in your reply to download and install. I then clicked on Desktop ThereIM Icon and got the same result, including the same details.

        PS I’m the CpnBob, have been for 3 years, spent thousands of $$, owned 2 hoods. I’m not a staff member of Vonira, I am just a member of the YowNow Forum, as are hundreds of other Thereians. Is there a problem with belonging to 2 virtual worlds? Actually, neither world even exists yet. lol
        My main concern right now is getting back into the IM, because I tried to load the new one at your suggestion.. Thanks!

      • #254 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 5:06 am

        Ok. We’ll look into it. Very strange. Just go back to the old one.

        We don’t mind what virtual worlds people are a member of, I’m just always surprised to see people from Vonira here because we’d heard they got in Big Trouble for coming here. Welcome!

      • #255 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 5:33 am

        So I double checked and the old cluster’s address was, which tells me you’re someone using the old version of ThereIM, without a modified shortcut.

        Maybe the old shortcut is hanging around? Can you right click on what you’re launching ThereIM with, and look at it’s properties to see if it says -a or -l


      • #256 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.18 - 10:46 pm

        Iam having the same problem CpnBob, And i did everything you just told him to do. : (….. Iam getting the same address starting with 64 and same port 52311 Failed.

      • #257 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.19 - 6:57 am

        I`ve tryed two time and and yes i`ve been through my files and deleted everything i can see that has anything to do with and iam still getting that Address C:\Makena\ThereIM\ThereIM.exe -a………..Soooooooo what next boss??? and iam useing the link you gave use in this blog #92 Thx again.

      • #258 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.19 - 8:47 am

        Ok i just tryed it again with no luck same address keeps comming up!!! I think i have windows 7, i don`t know if this helps lol i`ve looked through my Progam Files and my Progam Files (x 86) and my uninstall or change a program and i don`t know where else to look. Michael are you sure that link is right??? I had ta Well balls in your court.

      • #259 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.19 - 10:40 am

        Strange, I got my build of ThereIM, late last night and got this target in Properties without changing anything and it works just fine

        C:\Makena\ThereIM\ThereIM.exe -l

        The install file was identified as this:


        Before I did anything, I uninstalled the old ThereIM, then deleted the Makena folder in the “C” root and then rebooted before installing.

        GP, xSnoopy

      • #260 by CpnBob on 2011.08.19 - 11:13 am

        OK! YAY! I got it. lol For others who are having probs, uninstall Makena and ThereIM. Install from the “Here” link at the top of this blog. Go to tools, to safety, and turn off Smart Screen Filter. Then force the install on the Install Box. Try ThereIM. If you get segmentation violation, reboot. Now it should be working. Go back to tools and turn Smart Screen Filter back on. Voila!
        Thanks for the help Mr. Wilson!

  102. #261 by Seckoa92 on 2011.08.18 - 7:53 pm

    When can we download the new update for ThereIM?

  103. #262 by Makhennzi on 2011.08.18 - 7:45 pm

    New version works like a charm so far! Thanks! I need to buy you all lunch some time!

  104. #263 by Demmetri on 2011.08.18 - 7:37 pm

    Hey Michael Wilson, I was strolling along on the new There IM and it glitched badly heres a picture if you analyze it it shouldnt be that hard to see though. also before that it was doing that and it had like a front face cam that was flickering very odlly beneath the chat, and it looked like a cheap facetime video call. (which idek why it would do that in the first place) but i know you asked for any problems and errors and here you go. in the bold print.

    • #264 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.20 - 9:11 pm

      Demmetri, this is the DirectX rendering bug that I’ve made several references to. It was present in the 3D client up until the time that There closed.

  105. #265 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.18 - 7:29 pm

    The new build of ThereIM behaves the same as the previous build; it fails to find a valid server and returns the following:

    Unable to look up server address. Please check the connection and try again.
    HTTP connection to port 0 for timeout reached, canceling connection

    • #266 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.19 - 2:39 am

      Are you sure you had ThereIM completely closed before installing? If not, the uninstall would fail (possibly without a warning) and the core of the program wouldn’t get replaced. Try manually uninstalling ThereIM from the control panel, then reinstalling, to see if that solves the problem for you.

      • #267 by Jo_Bleaux on 2011.08.19 - 7:39 am

        Yes, ThereIM was completely closed; no icon in the system tray. Uninstallation/reinstallation was unremarkable, except that I had to re-enter the correct drive letter to override the default of C:

        I suspect that ThereIM is trying to make an internal call to Internet Explorer and that it’s failing because my system is configured to not use IE as a default. But I could be mistaken. Feedback from someone at Makena would be much appreciated ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #268 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.20 - 7:12 am

        I don’t have IE as default either (I use a less-common Mozilla variant called SeaMonkey — like Firefox with built-in e-mail and an interface almost identical to the old Netscape Navigator suite), and both the old “patch your target” and new ThereIM installed correctly and are working fine for me. Next step is probably to try uninstalling ThereIM (with its own uninstaller or from Control Panel), restarting (to insure all DLLs are unloaded), then deleting the entire Makena folder before reinstalling from a fresh download.

  106. #269 by CpnBob on 2011.08.18 - 7:24 pm

    Nope, no “QUIT”. just “Change Status”, “Exit”, and “Sign Out”
    Please advise?

    • #270 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.18 - 7:40 pm

      Sorry, “Exit”.

    • #271 by David H on 2011.08.20 - 4:27 am

      Lol, really, did you seriously just ask that question?!

  107. #272 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.08.18 - 7:10 pm

    Awsome update, awsome picture. Where is that taken? Thanks Michael.

  108. #273 by DavyRocket on 2011.08.18 - 7:08 pm

    WOOHOO Welcome back Mackie ๐Ÿ™‚

  109. #274 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.08.18 - 7:03 pm

    Hi guys i cant even find the Quit to click on so i can reinstall IM…… : (

    • #275 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.18 - 7:09 pm

      It should be at the far right side of the screen on the bottom. Right click on the ThereIM icon.

      • #276 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.19 - 2:38 am

        Well, in a form more tolerant of customized screen layouts (my task bar, for instance, is on the left edge of the screen, not the bottom, and set to hide itself when not in use, and as a result my system tray is at the bottom left instead of the bottom right): it should be in the system try, alongside the system clock display, Windows volume control, your video driver’s control panel icon, etc. It does NOT, however, show in Task Manager (like most other programs running in the System Tray).

  110. #277 by Mademoiselle Fifi on 2011.08.18 - 6:57 pm

    LeeLee….great picture….

    Tigera….i can’t get past step 1 also…if i try to create a group.

  111. #278 by XNecroscopeX on 2011.08.18 - 6:42 pm

    We’re almost in world. I can taste the salt from the ocean.

  112. #279 by Chagall on 2011.08.18 - 5:58 pm

    Alpine glow, indeed. Thank you for this update!


    ”’cutepoints for Mackie coming back!!! Huzzah!

  113. #280 by Seth on 2011.08.18 - 5:38 pm

    MW once again as always word cant describe the amount of gratitude we should all have for all the work you, and the rest of the staff are doing to restoring the game we love.

    • #281 by xSnoopy on 2011.08.19 - 10:27 am

      Be very careful of your praise of MW, there are some on this blog that ignorantly confuse thankful admiration for ass kissing!
      With that said, I couldn’t agree with you more!
      He seems to have surrounded himself with a great crew and the latest member is just one more indication of how much MW wants this to work.
      GP, xSnoopy

      • #282 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.08.19 - 4:30 pm

        Same here! ‘tu both of you!!

  114. #283 by Sue_G on 2011.08.18 - 5:30 pm

    MACKIEEEE!!! MW must be a mind reader. I was just thinking the other day about whether or not they would hire you again, and was hoping the answer was a big “YES” ๐Ÿ™‚ What brought that on was, I was cleaning out my email used for There and found correspondence between us about emotes. Let me know if I can help with anything.

    Also, BigMike & Alliez *say “HI!”

  115. #284 by AlwaysAngie on 2011.08.18 - 5:27 pm

    Thank you for the update MW….. keep em’ coming ๐Ÿ˜‰

  116. #285 by thunderstoorm on 2011.08.18 - 5:09 pm

    Ummm the picture really inspires me to be a photographers! Thanks!

  117. #286 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.18 - 4:59 pm

    Wow, good thing I don’t have a “forgotten” avatar; I don’t recall ever submitting a tissue sample you could match, even if I mailed the sample via USPS. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I’d been thinking you could trace back by matching credit card information, but I just remembered your reply on the last update that all the billing information was destroyed after There closed (sensible, and comforting, but inconvenient for those who’ve lost their old e-mail address). This sounds like quite a three-pipe problem (and I’ll leave it to Mackie to decide what to put *in* the pipe).

    Meanwhile, I guess I missed the chance to get the updated ThereIM — but I did finally have a chance to use the old version we’ve been getting last night. I’d never used ThereIM when the world was open, so it was a new experience for me. I don’t think it’ll be a viable substitute for the 3D world for very long, but then it doesn’t have to be… ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #287 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.18 - 7:17 pm

      you can get the updated ThereIM from the top line in the update above, click on the blue word that says (here)

      • #288 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.19 - 2:34 am

        Yep, can now, and just did, but couldn’t when I posted (Michael has edited his top post at least twice in the past 24 hours). Nice to see the old “thumb up” icon for online avies again; one step closer to getting back into the world… ๐Ÿ™‚

  118. #289 by fulkenstien on 2011.08.18 - 4:42 pm

    how well does There work with chrome?

  119. #290 by superjuice on 2011.08.18 - 4:31 pm

    Glad to see everything is chuggin along just fine. Keep it up with working out the bugs. Big thanks to you and your team MW. Keep at it! Cant wait for There2!

  120. #291 by JasonMK on 2011.08.18 - 4:30 pm

    Love them updates! Thanks MW, and ‘yeah Mackie!

  121. #292 by JonmiChel on 2011.08.18 - 4:20 pm

    Cool Update! Welcome Back Mackie! And looking pretty the same this client ๐Ÿ˜› Just changed the status images and couldn’t see more but TY!! ^^

  122. #293 by mimi06 on 2011.08.18 - 4:10 pm

    Welcome Back to Mackie! Wonderful update thank you, and the photo is breathtaking.. ๐Ÿ™‚

  123. #294 by kelayna on 2011.08.18 - 4:08 pm

    Mackie!!! Missed me some Mackie!! thank you Team Phoenix!!

  124. #295 by Alease on 2011.08.18 - 4:05 pm

    Beautiful, moody pic and thanks for the update!! Waiting with bated breath for the policy for changed/lost data… ๐Ÿ™‚

  125. #296 by Craig Hartley on 2011.08.18 - 4:04 pm

    Mr Wilson, could you be so kind as to give us some clarification on the use of 3rd party ‘patches’ in world.

    I read your peace on hair patches and legal ramifications therein, but what about the compasses? I think we all agree they were a brilliant addition to the World and ultimately were incredibly beneficial to everyone…. Will we be ‘allowed’ to use them?

    Anything you can add to this and indeed the subject of 3rd party ‘stuff’ would and will be very beneficial.

    On another note, will the There Forums be opening any time soon? I used to love the forums ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thanks for the hard work,
    Craig (the_juggernaut)

    • #297 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.18 - 4:17 pm

      The There Forums will never be opening again. There are lots of good alternatives, and you don’t have to worry about what you say about us :-).

      • #298 by Craig Hartley on 2011.08.18 - 4:26 pm

        That’s a shame, is this because you don’t have the man power to monitor the forums?

        & I hope your neglect of the other part of my post means you’ll be sharing some information in an update (one can hope)…

      • #299 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.18 - 7:10 pm

        If the forums don’t open, at least will you keep the blog going?
        I’m sure we all like it!

      • #300 by Eatings on 2011.08.18 - 7:19 pm

        Jugger! How’s it been!?

      • #301 by Jordy26 on 2011.08.19 - 2:38 am is an alternative.

        I setup the forum recently but its going well with the old members looking for a new place to discuss.

      • #302 by HoverboatPilot on 2011.08.19 - 5:58 am

        How about the club forums? Since they weren’t attached directly to the There forums and were monitored by the group owners/officers will we be getting those back? They were a very useful tool for sharing information directly related to the group. Thanks : )

      • #303 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.19 - 6:00 am

        Not sure about them yet. We may focus instead on an API which will let people wire their forums/Joomlas/Drupals to us, and let them handle it ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #304 by xMelodyChasex on 2011.08.19 - 9:58 am

        There’s always Thumdar’s site…he’s been around forever….

      • #305 by Jinxed_Karma on 2011.08.19 - 5:20 pm

        Would it be possible to see the old There forum archived for viewing (at least the developer sections)? It really was an incredible wealth of information, particularly for prospective developers. I know, just for myself, that some of that information would come in extremely handy.

      • #306 by Skyefire on 2011.08.19 - 6:02 pm

        I, too, would love to see the forum archives, but I suspect they are a pile of bandwidth waiting to be eaten. There’s so much in there I want so badly to go back and reread though.

      • #307 by phasedenergy on 2011.08.20 - 5:58 am

        Since he already has a forum in place, maybe you guys should work with Thumdar and set up an “official” There forum….Thumdar does very well with his…

        One question…..when There servers were backed up, was the information in the old forums preserved?…there was a whole lot of very useful and helpful information contained within…………

      • #308 by rayzorsharp22 on 2011.08.22 - 6:57 pm

        My i ask why i have been suspended. O_O .PLEASE email me a good reason as to why this happend.

      • #309 by soositmp on 2011.08.22 - 10:53 pm

        “The There Forums will never be opening again. There are lots of good alternatives, and you donโ€™t have to worry about what you say about us”

        Are you sure I won’t get banned if I talk about you?

        Another stunning photo.

    • #310 by Sniperbait on 2011.08.18 - 4:54 pm

      I was curious on that too, for loved JS Compass

      • #311 by xbenj06x on 2011.08.21 - 6:17 pm

        I loved the Js compass too

    • #312 by Karmapup on 2011.08.18 - 6:24 pm

      as to the 3rd party add-ons – RE-READ the update. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #313 by Jordy26 on 2011.08.19 - 2:36 am

      One alternative which I’ve made for all to use is:

      Hope you all like it.

      • #314 by Thumdar on 2011.08.20 - 1:29 pm

        Michael ~ if you are interested, I would be more than happy to setup a spot for the old There forum archives for people to reference.

        Many of you know about it but I thought I would mention it, as it is on topic:

        By the way ~ Google now ranks the Thumdar Forums as the #1 virtual world forum (blatant plug). Just search: virtual world forum.

      • #315 by Skyefire on 2011.08.21 - 8:06 pm

        Thumdar that would be amazing.

        The archives are really insanely huge, I hope you guys can work something out.

  126. #316 by kendrick on 2011.08.18 - 4:02 pm

    Thats good hope to see the world open soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  127. #317 by Aaron on 2011.08.18 - 4:01 pm

    Good update,
    I was hoping an update on the Give bug.

  128. #318 by kendrick on 2011.08.18 - 4:00 pm

    Thats good hope to see the world onep soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  129. #319 by RichinFlorida on 2011.08.18 - 3:55 pm

    I just wanted to report a possible bug with the new client. I am getting constant seg vios when i have more than one copy of ThereIM running and I initiate a chat between the two avatars. I sent an email to with more info.

    • #320 by RichinFlorida on 2011.08.18 - 4:11 pm

      Bug Solved! If anyone else runs into this problem, the fix is to:

      uninstall ThereIM
      Delete the folder “c:\makena\thereim”,
      then do a fresh install of the program.

      I did this, and then tried a chat again and it worked flawlessly.

      MW: I have the old folder with the crash files if needed. I renamed the folder instead of deleting it.

      • #321 by Michael Wilson on 2011.08.18 - 4:16 pm

        Oh! I’ll bet ThereIM was running when you installed it – it doesn’t quit unless you quit the little icon on the taskbar, and ThereKernel.dll didn’t get replaced..

      • #322 by RichinFlorida on 2011.08.18 - 4:18 pm

        Ah.. ok ๐Ÿ™‚

      • #323 by Deleight on 2011.08.18 - 7:44 pm

        I am going to try that rich… I uninstalled it and re-installed it, so I definitely wasn’t logged in at all… will try the delete folder bit again and see if that helps

      • #324 by Deleight on 2011.08.18 - 7:56 pm

        Deleting the folder before re-installing does seem to have fixed the issue… appears to be working fine now

      • #325 by thereuser on 2011.08.18 - 9:15 pm

        I am segvio constantly for the last 3 days with phoenix client ( ThereIMInstaller.20090218.signed ) and the current one ( ThereIMInstaller.20110817.signed ). I have a ton of crash reports ( crashdump_2011MMDD_random ) but I haven’t sent them in because I don’t care if thereIM works… I’m holding out for the 3d client ๐Ÿ˜€

        If you do want these crash reports I’ll gladly send them… but don’t bother fixing thereIM on my account… I’ll just sit here and wait patiently to drive in my buggy.

        Heads up… the *new* client sure is being promiscuous with our local file system isn’t it? ( direct disc access… tsk tsk )

  130. #326 by Tigera on 2011.08.18 - 3:54 pm

    Hi Mackie, I hope you remember me, I loved doing fashion events with you! Anyways, can someone please tell me how to make a group? Im getting invites to groups but when I try to make mine nothing happens. Im stuck on step 1. I’d like to make sure I recreate my group. Thanks guys ๐Ÿ™‚

  131. #327 by Okalnix on 2011.08.18 - 3:52 pm

    Looks like its already cold on that photo.
    Great photo btw.

    Thanks you for the update and great work.

  132. #328 by Brandyn_1 on 2011.08.18 - 3:51 pm

    Thank you very much for the update! I’ve seen a lot of people not being able to get in ThereIM because of the Target change, so thats awesome that you guys are making it easier for people ๐Ÿ™‚ ‘tu
    Very excited to see the world again! And I am hoping Facebook groups will help with User Support! As I’m sure they will!

  133. #329 by Rick on 2011.08.18 - 3:44 pm

    will we open in time for the winter games?

    • #330 by HoverboatPilot on 2011.08.18 - 7:05 pm

      I’m pretty sure the winter games were held in February so I hope they’ll be open by then.. heck, I hope they’re open for Pirates Week! : )

    • #331 by Deleight on 2011.08.18 - 7:14 pm

      I’m pretty sure they will.. those were usually held in February

    • #332 by alexandria3178 on 2011.08.19 - 10:41 am


      • #333 by Charlene Durbin on 2011.08.19 - 1:13 pm

        It sure does!!! YAY ORANGE TEAM!!! —Yupimagrl

  134. #334 by migman on 2011.08.18 - 3:43 pm

    Thanks for the update.Any idea how long before we can get in the there world again?

    • #335 by ? on 2011.08.18 - 6:21 pm

      STOP……….. STOP……….. STOP………………….. STOP………….. STOP……………

      It will………….. OPEN……….. WHEN…….. it……… OPENS………………………

      THIS….. ?????? ……. Is dirving me …… NUTS…………………

      (aah now, I feel better) Thanks.

      • #336 by hugsalot on 2011.08.18 - 6:39 pm

        stop reading the blog maybe? I’ll be gone next week for a week so THAT will be a good time for the 3D world to open to the public.

  135. #337 by MrScrooge on 2011.08.18 - 3:42 pm

    I โค Mackie!

  136. #338 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.08.18 - 3:40 pm

    That pic is very similar to Bear Lake inside Rocky Mountain National Park

    Very beautiful

  137. #339 by martin71 on 2011.08.18 - 3:39 pm

    just keep the good news rolling in MW we are all ready to login lol

  138. #340 by kevman95 on 2011.08.18 - 3:38 pm

    Thanks for that, that will help ALOT of members who could not read instructions! (sorry to them, but they didnt read it fully!)

    Always looking forward to reading your updates!


  139. #341 by justagreatguy on 2011.08.18 - 3:31 pm

    Thank you for the update and nice to see a new pic. I think were getting closer, open the door please were going home!

  140. #342 by Sniperbait on 2011.08.18 - 3:28 pm

    Beautiful pic, very peaceful. ๐Ÿ™‚

  141. #343 by Sassybeme There on 2011.08.18 - 3:24 pm

    Nice! Makes for very cool background.

  142. #344 by rakja on 2011.08.18 - 3:24 pm

    YAY!!! MACKIE!!!!!!! **HUGZ** I can’t wait to tell the gang!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚ Will Mackie be hosting our homecoming party when we get back in too????? =^.^= *gives Mackie a rose*

    • #345 by Skyefire on 2011.08.18 - 4:09 pm

      ”’YAY Mackie, and roses indeed. Very exciting news!

    • #346 by hugsalot on 2011.08.18 - 6:38 pm

      yay for mackie!!

    • #347 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.08.19 - 4:27 pm

      Yep, Mackie’s return is EXCELLENT news!!! WOOOT!!

  143. #348 by Jordan on 2011.08.18 - 3:24 pm

    Thanks for the update, keep up the good work can’t wait to see 3D again!

  144. #349 by LeeLee on 2011.08.18 - 3:20 pm

    Wonderful news! And beautiful picture, Michael! I’m photographer as well! ๐Ÿ™‚

  145. #350 by Tre_Ghost on 2011.08.18 - 3:20 pm

  146. #353 by William Grass on 2011.08.18 - 3:19 pm

    Yeahaw! Matbe in time for a There Halloweem party.

    • #354 by xMelodyChasex on 2011.08.19 - 3:47 am

      Oh a Halloween party would be awesome!!

  147. #355 by Craig Hartley on 2011.08.18 - 3:18 pm

    Good to see everything is coming along nicely (ish).

    Great work guys! ๐Ÿ™‚

  148. #356 by RichinFlorida on 2011.08.18 - 3:17 pm

    Rock on Mr Wilson! Thanks for the progress update and the updated client!

    • #357 by RichinFlorida on 2011.08.18 - 3:20 pm

      btw.. I like the new status indicators in ThereIM!

  149. #358 by MsFrizzle on 2011.08.18 - 3:15 pm

    so what are the changes of the new thereim?

    • #359 by ImageMaker on 2011.08.18 - 4:50 pm

      What Michael *said* they were changing was (mostly) building the install with the new server addressing, so you don’t have to alter the command line in the shortcut in order to log in successfully. They were also reportedly trying to find/fix the “give” bug in ThereIM, but I’d gotten the impression that was still in progress.

  150. #360 by Buddy Schreiber on 2011.08.18 - 3:10 pm

    ALL GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ‘yay!!!!!!

  151. #361 by Kimmerz on 2011.08.18 - 3:10 pm

    Michael Wilson, on the day that the 3d There comes back online, may I ‘hug you? โค

    • #362 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.08.18 - 3:38 pm

      Being his There Mom, I should be at the front of the line for hugging him… You can be second.. ROFL

      *hugs Kimmerz*

      • #363 by Kimmerz on 2011.08.18 - 4:14 pm

        Well, being his ever-so-devoted Therian Lover, I believe I am obligated to ‘hug him first. ‘hehe.

      • #364 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.08.18 - 4:19 pm

        umm… ok.. just this once….. ROFL

    • #365 by Hoverbiker on 2011.08.18 - 5:10 pm

      ” . . . his ever-so-devoted Therian Lover”

      I never knew . . . MW’s a playa, too.

  152. #366 by Ant1977 on 2011.08.18 - 3:10 pm

    Beautiful pic MW, thanks for yet another great update!

  153. #367 by Mister_Sinister on 2011.08.18 - 3:09 pm

    I got registered today I used Google chrome so I think IE8 was my problem don’t no but got this name ready thanks MV:)


    • #368 by martin71 on 2011.08.20 - 2:59 am

      sinister is that you ?? remember me and kazza

  154. #369 by Amxscott on 2011.08.18 - 3:08 pm

    Wow I get the first post ??

    • #370 by SaltySilver on 2011.08.19 - 2:59 pm

      • #371 by kelayna on 2011.08.20 - 11:20 am

        Okay who is the guy in the spiffy sweater? (Gee Salty ya could have put in a girlie so it could be Mackie j/k )

      • #372 by SaltySilver on 2011.08.20 - 4:32 pm

        Thats Samsyn of course! ๐Ÿ˜€
        I only type for the most part what MW says or anyone of the staff. I will need other male voice if Bruce talks. or use some 3rd party add in….. but that could or would be stealing…… See someone is listening.;)

      • #373 by Seg_Vio on 2011.08.22 - 3:37 pm

        You should just do your own voice overs Salty!
        I think that would be more entertaining than the standard text reader that comes with MS….

        Orrrrr, you could send the text scripted to Stephen Hawking for Bruces voice and tell him it’s a try out for a movie!

    • #374 by Vanessa on 2011.08.21 - 12:35 pm

      Hi MW,

      I am having hard time claiming my Avie. If you can please email me at: I claim my other two but not my third one.


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