Not quite seaworthy yet…

So thanks to the millions f***ton thousands of you who’ve tried to log into world, some of you a million f***ton thousand times.

Let’s review:

  • We’re limiting the population of the world to ~50 avatars, or, more precisely, 50 divided by the number of AvMan servers we have per Avman server. So, if your AvMan happens to be full, and the others aren’t, you’ll see the “full” message. Since Avatars are distributed pretty randomly across Avmans, this should statistically be “50”.
  • We’re doing this not because the world is too small, and not because we don’t have enough servers, but so we can control the chaos. More chaos == harder problem solving. Less chaos == easier problem solving.
  • There have been rumors that there is a special group which is always allowed in. They are true. The “Special Group” is called … “Staff”, and consists of SamSyn, Bruce, Mackie, and myself.
  • The only thing less useful at this point than mashing on the login button 12,000 times a minute is complaining about it. Seriously folks, we’re trying to take this slowly — you’ll thank us in the end.
  • We’ve had some reports of underage people in the world. If you think someone underage is in world, let us know. We’ll take care of them, or ask them to prove their age. Seriously.

Ok, now that that’s over with, here are the things we’re working on:

  • Unlike the Old There, the New There has new members entering it with full inventories – in some cases thousands of items full. Combined with this, our new servers are able to “process” this inventory much faster (probably because they’re faster, and the system’s not full of 9 years of accumulated inventories). This has caused some bugs to emerge which we’re trying to understand, and can unfortunately bog down a whole server when it happens.
  • We know about the “Big Memory Leak every time I press the login button” bug (as in, we’ve got lots of reports). One might suspect we did that on purpose, even so you stop pushing the button (kidding).
  • We have lots of reports of SegVios in DX8 and DX9. We’ll be working on them.
  • We’re aware of various “XXX window does not appear”, and are trying to parse those out. These seem to affect a few people lots, which often makes us suspect network/connectivity/firewall/router settings issues.
  • We had to increase the capacity of the Webapps to handle you all mashing that button. Seriously, it was causing “Service Not Available” and all kinds of other little problems.

Those are the biggies. If I’ve left something off, it’s just that I didn’t put it in this list. SamSyn and Bruce and I are keeping track of all the reports and parsing them out the best we can.

We’re not going to increase that number until we have some of these issues under control. We know you’re all impatient, but we know you wouldn’t want some of these problems to be there when you all get in.

If you’re under age, seriously, give it up. I’m always struck by the stories of Steve Jobs as a teenager when he made Hewlett Packard “give” him computer chips for his hobby/whatever, and what came of that. How are you going to feel when people repeat that story, and say “so, what did you do as a teenager?”, and you reply “Well, mostly I spent trying to sneak into because I wasn’t 18 yet..”.

A note on the picture: Unfortunately, that’s someone’s home in Cambodia. The particular place we went was a “Floating Village” and the poverty is so bad it literally hurt me to see it. We should all keep these people in mind when we consider how fortunate we are, in comparison.

  1. #1 by Crystal on 2011.12.04 - 7:23 pm

    So…. Given.. On the off chance you might actually get this. Given you have a million different sub categories to click on.. Why are you saying by invitation only on your web page? You do realize your going to lose a lot of people who randomly visit the site. And if your still testing then just say so, why say by invite only? That will lose a lot of people who don’t know, not to mention people who know but are scratching their heads! I hope you know what your doing. Which worries me if you do know…

  2. #2 by Soosi on 2011.10.24 - 11:41 am

    I still haven’t been able to get in to see if any of the issues I’ve had are still there. Must be patient. I’ve not got a whole lot of time at the moment as I’m moving – I HATE PACKING. I just don’t understand why I can’t put everything back in my inventory and go to the new place and take it all out. What’s wrong with the real world?

  3. #3 by suziequeen on 2011.10.23 - 3:49 am

    I have got to go home in world and loved every minute of it. I explored all I could and had no problems with anything. But I do have a question about hood owner ship, are you letting the original hood owners claim their hoods first? Thanks for all the hard work everyone has done.

  4. #4 by tubz707 on 2011.10.22 - 1:58 pm

    Thank you for all the hard work you guys have put in to re-opening There 🙂

    I logged in earlier for about an hour and got some serious nostalgia, everything was working just fine (from what i experienced)… you guys have been working hard ‘tu

    Looking forward to your next update guys.

    …next time i log in i have a huge inventory to organize… fun times XD

  5. #5 by Barbie_Doll on 2011.10.21 - 3:55 pm

    There has to be a way to let everyone on, maybe cap it so you can only get on for a hour or only log in once a day.

  6. #6 by S_S_B_P_D on 2011.10.21 - 3:38 pm

    Do I have to retrieve my avatar before logging into the 3D world? I have another account i’d like to use, but do not have the PW to it, but i redownloaded it and they are all saved there.

  7. #7 by cardsharkray on 2011.10.20 - 9:15 pm

    time for a update and to let more people in 50 is not good maybe put it at 100 that be better

  8. #8 by PcDoc on 2011.10.20 - 3:28 pm

    Ok, so the annoying black bar at the bottom of the screen, and the black border around the change-me window, appear to be a product of the newest Adobe Flash Player Active X update for Internet Explorer. Anyone else figure that out?

    I upgraded to it on Sunday morning and then noticed the problem. I just rolled back to version 10 and the black bar is gone..

    Just FYI if anyone else wants to try that.

    If you want to install an earlier ver of Flash for Internet Explorer, you will need to uninstall the existing version first.
    Read this:

    For older version of Flash:
    (scroll down to “Older Archives”. Try 10.1. The first one listed.)

    If you have any questions, feel free to send me a message through There. PCDOC

    • #9 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.10.22 - 4:05 pm

      PCDoc Thx Nomore black Bar. : )

      • #10 by PcDoc on 2011.10.23 - 8:26 am


  9. #11 by LeeCarmen08 on 2011.10.20 - 2:21 pm

    Oh, and some feedback on DX9. It’s perfect. I haven’t lagged out/crashed or seg vio’d or ANYTHING. It’s great.
    Good job guys.

  10. #12 by 1969Craven on 2011.10.20 - 2:12 pm

    yay, got in last night… got to drive a few of my buggies.. besides a little rubber-banding (only after resetting a lap) and an annoying black box that appeared at the bottom of my screen.. seemed to be great.. cant wait till we can all log on..

  11. #13 by phasedenergy on 2011.10.20 - 2:07 pm

    A week and still not able to login, how long do i have to be able to log in (to transfer mule inventories) before I can only log in with a paid account?

  12. #14 by phasedenergy on 2011.10.20 - 1:48 pm

    how long will the moratorium on payment last?, those who cannot get in (currently) will not have had time to migrate the inventory from mule accounts>

  13. #15 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 1:12 pm

    hey guys just wanted to say that i never knew what michal willson lokked like tell now go to part 0:55

    • #16 by softNdark on 2011.10.20 - 2:38 pm

      Great…… Thanks for posting

  14. #17 by mimi06 on 2011.10.20 - 12:47 pm

    I think some maybe skipped the “why isn’t it FREE” blog.. remembers march 2010 when so many said “I will do anything to keep THERE”………. I would of registered even if we weren’t “given” back our inventorys. Ready to Play and ready to pay! anyone with me?

  15. #18 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.20 - 12:37 pm

    Ok, I decided to try and log in OMG! I got in!!! yay, So I stopped to talk to a couple of People and worked on a build in a paznone for about 45 minutes and logged out to give someone else a chance.
    please those of you with 3 or 4 alts give others a chance.. Come on.

    GP3D IMAKOS (Leilani)

    • #19 by debs4u on 2011.10.20 - 2:12 pm

      I am READY to Play and to PAy!

  16. #20 by migman on 2011.10.20 - 11:40 am

    How about a good laugh?

    • #21 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.20 - 12:58 pm

      Thanks, this was entertaining, had me in a giggle state…lol

  17. #22 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 8:13 am

    MW i have a question i need answered: will you still be useing the Ultimate Game Card and can i still use that as my payment?

    • #23 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.20 - 12:54 pm

      Please refer To MW’s earlier posts, he makes reference to this Question,

      for now paypal is the payment option being offered. Maybe in the future they Might change that like all programs online they’re consistantly upgrading and expanding options..

      • #24 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 2:08 pm

        can i also pay direct or just pay pal?

    • #25 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.20 - 12:59 pm

      It seems to me this has been answered in the past, in the negative, by implication. What I’ve understood to be the case is that There will be accepting only PayPal (funded by credit card, checking account, or PayPal balance) for payment, at least right away.

  18. #26 by David on 2011.10.20 - 8:07 am

    Dear Michael Wilson, I just think that you should read this
    It’s about your 18+ policy. Just thought you should read it.

    • #27 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 9:18 am

      i dont know if you have noticed but MW if not a flexible person

      • #28 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.10.20 - 1:33 pm

        He is flexible about many, many things. Not changing his mind about 18+ is not a question of inflexibility; as he has said, it is too expensive to police the world to keep kids safe.

    • #29 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 9:19 am

      you 17- people are just going to have to wait

    • #30 by stormy on 2011.10.20 - 9:48 am

      I was finally able to get in! YAY! However the problem is I dropped a paz and was going to decorate it when the program crashed. This is the error I received——Problem signature:
      Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
      Application Name: There.exe
      Application Version: 2.0.18110.0
      Application Timestamp: 4e974cc6
      Fault Module Name: ThereKernel.dll
      Fault Module Version:
      Fault Module Timestamp: 4e974505
      Exception Code: c0000005
      Exception Offset: 0001165d
      OS Version: 6.1.7600.
      Locale ID: 1033
      Additional Information 1: 0a9e
      Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
      Additional Information 3: 0a9e
      Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

      So heres my question. Will I be reimbursed for the time my paz is out and I am unable to log in due to the servers being full?

      • #31 by mimi06 on 2011.10.20 - 12:42 pm

        Did you know altho the world is open, its still in test mode? I have 6 paz’s out MY choice.. I dont expect a “refund”. Everyone knows its chancy to log in, so that being said, I don’t think refunds are given. Hope you get back in to retrieve it. 🙂 By the way did you happen to have 30 days left on that paz when THERE closed?

    • #32 by William on 2011.10.20 - 9:50 am

      hmmmm – i think it’s maybe you, David, who needs to do some reading in these blog posts – MW has stated time and time again here that There’s new 18+ policy is only about the high cost of keeping all the things in place to protect young people – and they are legally bound to do so – anyone correct me if I’ve got that wrong. He’s not judging you based on your age, he’s just trying to keep costs down so can get going again and keep going. The next thing you’ll say is that young people spend a lot of money in There, true, but MW has also stated repeatedly that they didn’t spend as much as those of legal age, and what they did spend wasn’t enough to cover the cost of protecting them. I hope I’ve got all that right, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it posted here …

      • #33 by stormy on 2011.10.20 - 2:02 pm

        Hi Mimi, You are right about it being in test mode, didn’t quite look at it that way buts true that I took a chance. I could have swore I read somewhere in here about crashing not being an issue anymore but it is what it is and to be honest I have no idea if it was full or not I just assumed it would be the same as I left it. Either way its probably only going to be a few dollars loss (hopefully I’ll be able to get back in soon) 🙂 So its not a huge deal or anything. Im just happy that we’ll all be THERE again! 😀

      • #34 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.10.20 - 2:22 pm

        You got most of that right. I’ve done the moderating chats thing(volunteer) for over a decade off and on so one part was wrong. They did lose money by the protection MW felt was right to allow them in and what minors spent did not cover it. But for ages 13-17 there is no legality on moderation. No laws requiring a specific amount of moderators etc. Not saying they could not be sued by some angry parent if something went wrong, but any company can be sued for stuff. If anything, the fact he knows he can legally throw them in with little to no moderators or other protection and he’s not willing to do it without affording what he feels will protect them should speak for his morals and character. Not sucking up, it is what it is.

    • #35 by jimmy_jaymz on 2011.10.20 - 11:16 am


      How exactly is that about the 18+ policy? It is not about ageism, but the responsibility and legality handling of handling mature content with underage users. It is simple – it is more expensive to have to deal with monitoring and policing content when underage users are involved. It has nothing to do with the maturity of the underage user, but the fact that there are potential legal ramifications if a parent or guardian does not approve of what their child experiences in There.

    • #36 by jimony on 2011.10.20 - 11:36 am

      From your link, David;
      “I was playing a MMORPG and I got invited to an 18+ raid group. They we’re all talking about how they should not invite 12 and 13 year olds. All the time they didn’t even notice I was 13.”

      The decision to only allow 18+ was a financial business decision (it is expensive to provide the protection the law demands) and not discrimination. The quote from your link shows just how hard it could be to provide that protection when it can be impossible to tell who the minors are. When a minor trys to buy liquor or ciggerettes or to try to get into an adults only business in the real world it is easier to tell them apart, but even then, mistakes can be made. If you want to call it age discrimination, your welcome to, that won’t change the facts. It isn’t about maturity, it’s about legality.

    • #37 by Justin on 2011.10.20 - 12:32 pm

      Children will still find their way into There, lying and hiding it. Legality, honestly I do not know to much about that whole side. Maybe have a parent sign an electronic signature on a contract stating that it might not be the best place for kids and have them scan an ID or something for proof. Seems like a lot of work, but if the kids would want to play then they will do it. Also it would be more income coming in, and for those of you who do not want little kids in There. Well.. It might be the make or break of keeping There up and running. Hopefully not so, but it is a possibility. A lot of people between 18-30 are on Second life, it is graphically advanced and you can do a lot more “Mature” things that you will never be able to do here if MW intends on still keeping there pg13. Also those long time players of second life, who switched from There when it shut down might not want to take a chance at coming back and potentially wasting money again. Second Life has been a long time running game, I personally do not like it. So maybe there is a way to bypass the legality of letting kids play, maybe there is not. Just my opinion and just trying to think. In general, I hope that it will not come to needing more money, and if it does. If Michael goes along with getting a ton of sponsors or letting kids in again by somehow bypassing the legality that I stated above do not be mad or upset, if you want to play your game and not have it shut down again you will just have to tough it out. Don’t go raging against me, it is just an idea. Don’t state what has already been stated, I have read a lot on these forums. And I know that the legal protection out weighs the income from minors, but maybe there is a way to bypass it? If a parent signs and send in a copy of the ID matching up or something like that and the contract is strong and states everything then maybe you could work with them? Any ideas? Please post.

  19. #38 by cindy83 on 2011.10.19 - 8:03 pm

    ^_^ doing a gr8 job mw & team my faith n hope are all going for you

  20. #39 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.10.19 - 7:21 pm

    Hey I made walnut shrimp instead of trying to get into there. Now i know why they charge so much for it.. Im drained.

  21. #40 by Tollermike on 2011.10.19 - 5:26 pm

    Thanks for the updates MW and the pictures. IMHO a lot of folks in the Western World need to thank their lucky stars. I’ve was in SE Asia at a young age …like 20 … and it had a profound affect on my life. I appreciate what I have. You can’t imagine the poverty level until you been there.Take a look close at that picture. People swim in there begging for your coins. Think of that next time you are complaining about anything in There.

  22. #41 by William Grass on 2011.10.19 - 4:51 pm

    I have been inworld a number and so far no major problems. i wonder how soon an update will come ot and let some more people in and reduce the frustration that is floating around? anyway I am done for the day. Goodnite everyone and take car. Peace!

  23. #42 by daniel on 2011.10.19 - 3:40 pm

    hey MW i dont know if you talked about this already. and im not trying to beg hear but do you think i. as a silver funpass member will ever have the chance to be part of the beta experiance?

  24. #43 by Make Some Halloween Treats on 2011.10.19 - 2:52 pm

    Long Live There And Plush Berry

  25. #44 by migman on 2011.10.19 - 2:40 pm

    Hey,i would pay 10 bucks a month just to read this blog.Some or most of it is entertaining,it gives me something to do while waiting for the Team to get things ready.Just sit back and switch back and forth from here and thumdar.If you havent checked out the forum at Thumdar you should.Go Team Phoenix!

    • #45 by softNdark on 2011.10.19 - 5:00 pm

      Yep…. a thrill a minute, just get out the popcorn… pop a cold one (or whatever)… and enjoy the banter!!!

      (haven’t even been trying to get into world, yet)

  26. #46 by William Grass on 2011.10.19 - 12:53 pm

    Is that what going to be known for? the bickering and name calling? people need to step back take a breath. There is supposed to be fun and friendly. Leave the egos macho attitudes at the door or the log in. I personally don’t find it heartwarming. I think most people don’t. Please.

    • #47 by timcraven on 2011.10.19 - 2:00 pm

      I completly agree with you its just childish and pointless to argue. At the end of the day we will all be going on there for fun not to be insulted and upset.

  27. #48 by jake_jackson on 2011.10.19 - 11:41 am

    Ok boys and girls does the age range need to go higher or do you all need to be placed in detention? “You are more popular than me and so you get everything.” Ok youngsters dry up that gum bumping and sit down.
    You are rocking the bus off the road. I am nobody and have been in a few times; not bad for someone who has never been popular, ever. Now take your meds, sit back, breathe, relax and leave the driving too THERE!
    Is anyone listening listening listening or are you till pointing fingers and you know who you are…must be talking to myself cause I hear an echo ROFL!

    • #49 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.19 - 12:05 pm

      I’m pretty sure I found someone underage ingame today actually…

      • #50 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.19 - 12:05 pm

        My bad; inworld 😉

      • #51 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.19 - 12:32 pm

        Good. Send us the info and we’ll look into it.

      • #52 by superdale on 2011.10.19 - 2:34 pm

        yay i got in today. 1 time had someone ask me how old im i . ill just wait to it opens so i can get my hood back so i can just ban them from my hood. i dont need ppls askin my age. u right (mw )take your time get it right dont rush it good job tu. i had np in world.

    • #53 by LeeCarmen08 on 2011.10.20 - 2:19 pm

      I agree. I don’t know where the ‘popularity’ part came in but I’ve gotten in-world at least once everyday. It has NOTHING to do with being well-known.

  28. #54 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.19 - 11:09 am

    My 2nd Update;

    Today was a major improvement for me. Nothing at all went wrong, every square pixel was where it should be and everything ran perfectly.

    Good job Team Phoenix!

  29. #55 by sognarxo on 2011.10.19 - 8:58 am

    FULL FULL FULL. lol i cant ever get on. makes me sad 😦

    • #56 by richard on 2011.10.19 - 10:21 am

      been trying for the last week and cant ever get on , when are you increasing the log’in levels , just wana get a go in THERE……..

      • #57 by timcraven on 2011.10.19 - 2:04 pm

        Just remember that u need to have a gold fun pass or higher to beable to get in so if ur below it then there is no point trying to get in yet as u wont get in.
        Unless they lower the fun pass level entry requirements that is.

    • #58 by Laci on 2011.10.20 - 11:08 am

      I’ve been trying for a week straight as well with no luck. I know there needs to be patience exhibited as getting this all set up, tested and released with as few bugs as possible is a daunting task for a fully staffed team, let alone one working with only a few hands as I understand it. I find though that even with that understanding I am impatient as well, only trying now once a day instead of the 15 or so to avoid becoming too frustrated. I hope the avatar cap can be expanded soon. And for those of you mentioning the fun pass levels, I had it all. I beta tested the original client way back when, and when fun passes were introduced bought the highest pass you could get and I *still* can’t get in. Patience is a virtue even in a virtual world 😉

  30. #59 by Fallax on 2011.10.19 - 8:48 am

    ……….and out of the ashes it rises…a symbol of rebirth, immortality, and renewal. Thank you team Pheonix..and Michael. 🙂

  31. #60 by bignoize on 2011.10.19 - 8:05 am

    made it on again last night and had the black bar this time…but messages from buddies still came through fine.the world seemed flawless. my special painted vehicles all were put together back together. no fuss no mess…

    • #61 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.20 - 1:06 pm

      Funny thing; I haven’t had the black bar, but I’ve been seeing the memory usage go up and up and up; the highest I’ve seen so far was above 900 MB without a crash, though it might have gone higher yet on my latest Seg Vio (the only one so far that didn’t result in a client freeze, so I didn’t have to get into Task Manager to kill the client, and thus didn’t see the memory usage at crash time). I wonder if the black bar etc. isn’t related to the way Flash interacts with DX9, which would make it graphics adapter dependent (since every graphics adapter seems to have a slightly different implementation of DX9) — and whether it might be DX9 which is causing the memory leak. Since I was fine in DX8 the first time I got in, I’m going to run There Tweaker right now and switch back to DX8 to see if that reduces the memory leakage next time I get in (though I’ll miss seeing the sun reflected in the sea and demon-colored contacts that aren’t dead black).

  32. #62 by JasonMK on 2011.10.19 - 4:56 am

    9:54am est, i just tried logging in and received “Problem connecting to world to check your name, please try again later”. I don’t know if this is better or worse than the “world is full” message I’ve been getting. I have still not managed to be among the luck 50 to make it through the door, but a different “you can’t get in message” was at least something new today…will try again later…

  33. #63 by timcraven on 2011.10.19 - 4:07 am

    Hi i don’t know if this has been answered already but i will ask anyways. What’s happening about the submissions that i put into world before it closed. I keep checking the submission page but it keeps saying i don’t have any. Will they be put back on at a later date or will i have to re submit them.
    If they have to be re submitted how do i go about getting my old textures and models back .

    • #64 by DavyRocket on 2011.10.19 - 6:12 am

      Good luck getting an answer on when we can relist our items. I’ve asked that same question before, as others are wondering also, and like so many other important questions, they are left unanswered, but he did state we will not have to resubmit our old items. We would just like to know when we can list our old items, not submit new items.

      • #65 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.19 - 6:40 am

        We don’t know yet. We have to get the world and the billing systems all working perfectly, then we can move on to other things.

      • #66 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.19 - 11:25 am

        FWIW, I spot checked a user-created items (didn’t think to look at one of the ones I created; I’d have to rent a house to bring those out in any case) when I managed to get in this morning (immediately after maintenance). It shows “Unknown” and a number that I suspect was an avatar DOID or similar identifier. Most likely, this identifier changed when a developer’s avatar was recovered, so it’ll likely be a matter of (after the world is working correctly and open to the 18+ public and bringing in money) running a translation job to convert the developer IDs of all the developer items in world to those of the recovered avatars — one big run for everyone already in at that point, then it can become part of the avatar recovery process for latecomers.

        I’d honestly expect it to be a pretty trivial item to accomplish, but it’s definitely a lower priority that getting the income stream flowing — which requires getting the new client and servers working correctly.

  34. #67 by AgapeLove on 2011.10.19 - 3:48 am

    when I mentioned before that I knew that some griefers got in before others that may have been more deserving, I realized that it was just a random thing. I only mentioned it because I thought it was ironic. However for all those that haven’t gotton in yet ; please take hope ,if I can get in so can you !

  35. #68 by Azza on 2011.10.19 - 3:10 am

    Update, crashed last night 😦 Screen had a few seconds of lag then just closed down. very odd.

  36. #69 by That Guy on 2011.10.19 - 2:27 am

    I hope the result of what happens to Zephyr makes the most people angry. Then I can just sit in Zephyr with a bowl of popcorn and watch as the greatest comedy in unfolds. Hahahahahaha, the only person I feel for is Wildbilly, because he’s not being a baby about it. He posted his opinion, and then LEFT IT ALONE.

    As for “YOU PEOPLE DON’T COME TO ZEPHYR YOU DON’T KNOW.” I’m pretty sure everyone has probably been to Zephyr, and you don’t have to stay in Zephyr 24/7 to have a stay in what happens to it, because that’s only about 2 or 3 people anyway. Jesus people, it’s a VIRTUAL WORLD!

    • #70 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.19 - 5:27 am

      Hey Guy,
      Please save me some popcorn cuz, I plan on standing there the first night and enjoying the first ever, Zephyr land grab 🙂
      Its going to be like, the Larry, Moe and Curly show.
      Hey, we are all over 18 now? Is it ok to bring beer?
      This show is coming to a theater near you, soon!! LOL

      • #71 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.19 - 8:03 am

        Can it you, two doodooheads! You’ve never been to Zephyr what do you know!
        Preserve my PAZes!! Um….I mean preserve Zephyr! It’s the right thing to do 😉

      • #72 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.19 - 8:16 am

        There goes xSnoopy, staggering away, wondering what the hell just happened! Poor little Beagle, he is so confused 🙂
        Could you say that twice, REALLY fast Nathan?
        Now, what was my name????

    • #73 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.19 - 8:23 am

      Aloha Guy,

      I don’t hang out a Zephyr but occasionally I go there to Shoot the Xsnoopy and some of the others…. I gave my Opinion also on this issue and left it alone.

      After reading more of the comments made on the other forums I feel really bad for XSnoopy who had the right to express a concern and opinion on the Zephyr matter. Xsnoopy was attacked by some and its a clear indication of the type of person / persons that Xsnoopy and others are dealing with.

      I read wildbillys comments and WOW talk about a nice guy.
      Some owe Xsnoopy and apology for attacking him, they made this way too personal BUT thats just my perspective.

  37. #74 by Jon Brohaugh (puter_head) on 2011.10.19 - 2:14 am

    Incredible is all I can say!!

    Managed to get in a couple times now since getting the download link from MWs’ post. Amazing to say the least! To those who are still trying… hang in there! Once you click that button and the world starts loading the feeling is incredible!

    No real issues at all. I experienced a bit of rubber banding last night… but that was only after getting a system message that things would be a little rocky for an hour or so. After only a few minutes it cleared up nicely. All inventory loaded nicely and rather quickly too. About 5 minutes in world and all my items were there as far as I know.

    DX9 works well for me… DX8 seemed to have some issues and slowed me down and caused some issues with rendering it seems.

    When I first got in world I had an issue upon entering fun zones. Once inside I was not able to bring up the menu by hitting the control key. I was in action mode obviously… lol. Hitting control did nothing to bring any menus up and I could do nothing but leave the zone to get control again. However, this cleared up for me after being in for 20 minutes or so.

    Another issue I noticed was when you went into the store and did a “try it” on a buggie or board for 5 minutes… once you got into the buggie everything went great until you wanted to get out? When trying to get out the action tag came up when hitting control, but you could not get out of the buggy until the 5 minutes timed out. The only way out of it was by going into your “my things” menu on the bar and finding the buggy and clicking “put away”. Only at that point could I leave the buggy. That happened all three times I “tried” one from the store. Last time was a board… same issues.

    One note I would like to mention… many of the people you think are AFK while off doing the dishes or something, I gotta say, I think they are sitting there trying to organize all of there stuff…lol! Lets not rush to judge those folks who appear to be AFK. We all know they could very well be there doing something important to them as you will be doing as soon as all your inventory comes back without being in any type of folders. With some folks… organizing takes a bit as they have a LOT of stuff! That includes buddy lists and places also. Lots to organize… which is all a part of making sure things are working.

    The world looks incredible! Seemed to be much better than before!

    Thank you so much, everyone, for all the hard work and dedication!!

    • #75 by Jon Brohaugh (puter_head) on 2011.10.19 - 2:23 am

      By the way… I really do know how to spell BUGGY! Not at all sure where that came from…lol??

      Must be early…

      • #76 by Jdin707 on 2011.10.19 - 7:14 am

        The word Buggy is shortened from the two words Dune Buggy which is a form of off road vehicle, popular in the US, and other countries…

  38. #77 by Dawn Reynolds on 2011.10.19 - 1:51 am

    It is very heartwearming that you take the time to notice the less unfortunate among us. While There is important, I think it is very inspiring for you to remind us that sometimes in all the craziness of life, we tend not to be appreciative of what we have. Most people in your position sometimes would not notice that little shack. Thank you for reminding us of the less fortunate among us! God Bless those folks..

  39. #78 by freecreed on 2011.10.19 - 1:32 am

    I got into game today for some time … unfortunately I had a FLASH update before entering , I missed what version / build , anyway , when I got into game I had the infamous black bar caused by the system message bar … I didn’t have that last time … I did find a way to remove it .. click There / Customize / Toolbar and Tips then click Message bar .. when you click the X to close it , the black bar disappears till the next system message .. also I was wondering if your going to change the Help / Ask a Member link to point to the Thumdar forum , it’s a small thing for the to-do list if you are.

  40. #79 by ScorpioMann on 2011.10.18 - 8:18 pm

    Finally got in, everything looks great except for one thing. My avie looks like he exploded. Got a SegVio soon as I stepped into Duda Beach Lot A1, and poof, I was logged out 😦

    • #80 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.19 - 8:06 am

      Sorry about that! A1 is my lot. I left all my PAZes empty but if it got you booted, a thousand sorries!

  41. #81 by William Grass on 2011.10.18 - 6:05 pm

    yay i got in second time today no or little rubber banding. found the place to shut off the ip flooding control on the motorola surfboard. any one fits this postion rubberbanding and having motorola surfboard look in the firewall section and uncheck the appropriate box and no more the click apply and thats it. no need to reset the modem. Good luck. no anyone have any ideas about the black bar near the menu bar?

  42. #82 by SassyD on 2011.10.18 - 4:15 pm

    Anyone who has joined for a period of time knows the ‘most popular’ members. Reading the ‘oh I got in’ posts most of those member names are among the popular users. ‘oh mi gosh, they are ‘Beta Testers’. So, one of the criteria of becoming a ‘beta tester’ is to be among these top popularity of

    It will be interesting to see when the ‘server full’ message will remove. Maybe after the favouritism finished exhausted the ‘free to play’ and it’s time for ‘pay to play’! I read where someone posted that an even is scheduled, imagine people have time to do events while the commoners line-up at the login button, stampeding on each other to get in. is just being it doesn’t matter what anyone says, ‘The groupie’ will always be the first to dip in.

    • #83 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.18 - 5:09 pm

      As I said before, there is no “Popularity”, or “Special Groups”, or anything like that. But since you’re obviously wallowing in snark to believe that, keep believing it. It’s important to have something to believe in.

      • #84 by daniel on 2011.10.18 - 7:01 pm

        LOL MW i find this SOOOO funny how you say “As I said before, there is no “Popularity”, or “Special Groups”, or anything like that” but in THIS EXACT POST you say “There have been rumors that there is a special group which is always allowed in. They are true”.

      • #85 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.18 - 7:09 pm

        Yes, and then I said “That special group is Staff”. Who are you, Rush Limbaugh?

      • #86 by Justin on 2011.10.18 - 9:26 pm

        From the things that I have read and seen you are not very Professional. I am not agreeing to anything in this post, but you do truely stoop to the other persons level.

      • #87 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.19 - 4:28 am

        “Justin”, I would have more respect for your comments if you posted using a real email address. Until then you’re just another troll.

      • #88 by daniel on 2011.10.19 - 4:49 am

        really it is. if you email me i will reply. i promise you that its real

      • #89 by daniel on 2011.10.19 - 5:02 am

        and mw i have trust and faith and respect for you for doing what your doing. and then you go an say that you don’t respect my comments. that’s like a kid going to like com-icon and hearing his favorite super hero calling him stupid. you know what i mean with this. im trying the best to be thank full and i cant be anyone who im not. but the real reason i made this post was to say that this is definitely not a popularity thing.

      • #90 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.19 - 5:19 am

        That response wasn’t directed at you.

      • #91 by migman on 2011.10.19 - 6:14 am

        Aww man i’m in that popular group,everyone loves to hate me.rofl

      • #92 by Justin on 2011.10.19 - 9:52 am

        Sorry* Here is my actual email, hope that made you happy. Maybe you can even act your age a little bit, maybe you will send me an email full of bashing and name calling. I hope so, would just prove my point even more. This game will never make it, nice to see you try. In the end you will only be known as a cocky, unprofessional, childish, “kind” of a game developer. I have never met anyone in my life who owns or runs a business that posts like you do. But hey, we are all just behind a computer screen.

      • #93 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.19 - 11:56 am

        “In the end you will only be known as a cocky, unprofessional, childish, “kind” of a game developer.”

        You’re exactly right. That will be the sum of my accomplishments. My life is now complete.

      • #94 by Justin on 2011.10.19 - 10:16 am

        So lets see what you have to see now maybe I can see that respect, but honestly I don’t think it would ever come. High ego is what you seem to have. Just a shame to see the GD stoop down to other peoples level in-front of his whole There community.

      • #95 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.19 - 12:00 pm

        Interesting. Your views are certainly consistent since you posted this as

        10$? Is that a positive number? I mean, I grew up on this game and I used to play almost everyday. I can not wait for it to re open. But 10$? I am not sure that everyone will be able to pay that for a game just starting off.. it might not even be that great from release so i feel to ask 10$ from everyone would be a little much. I’d pay 5$ for sure, then if the game does well keep it “there” ha, 10$ just isnt very attractive to throw away. 10$ follows the 20$ on Tbucks and then the game might not even thrive. I hope it does I would be willing to pay 10$ if I knew it would, but not knowing if I am going to waste my money again or not.. not sure, I have spent hundreds to a thousand dollars on this game in the past. I’d like to not throw away anymore, even if it is a measly 10$

        But if you hate There so much, then why would you post this?

        WILDBILLY! Can not wait to see you in there. It has been too long.

        But this one is my favorite:

        I wish I didn’t have a life so I could just keep clicking Log In hoping that it would work.

        You need to work on that consistency thing a bit.

      • #96 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.10.19 - 3:34 pm

        Well most of us here very much hope to see There thrive actually. The fact they will be posting profits/losses will be a tool to let the users know if they are spending enough to make it work. If they cover all expenses just with membership fees, then all tbux can be pure profit. As for what he’ll be known as, you never read that page I seen the other month that listed MW’s accomplishments eh? Ever heard of Ebay?

      • #97 by daniel on 2011.10.19 - 3:35 pm

        good job MW with not letting him take you down. we all believe in you. and just for the record i would give up my world of warcraft account and 46 inch LCD TV if someone told me to do it or never play there again.

      • #98 by Justin on 2011.10.19 - 10:37 pm

        Well, lets see here. There are these computers lets call them Family computers or Computers that sit in the living room for general use. So everyone will be able to use one, lets say if someone can not afford a computer for everyone. So I am not surprised that my brother plays too he was a long time player with multiple accounts and put down a lot more money than I did, he will probably be a subscriber but I can not speak for him. Also, If you could find where I stated that I “Hate” there, then I will shut up completely. I just stated an obvious fact. You remove all of the little kids that put in a big chunk of change with their parents buying Tbux, then you charge 10$ per person a month, that some will not be willing to pay or able to pay. There went downhill ones, people lose interest, join new games, stop wasting money on a video game etc.. If you think about it, do you really think that it will change? Maybe so, Hopefully but this was not the reason for the post. Obviously it was the snide and snark remarks that you send to other people that “Troll” you. You reply back by stooping to their level in turn trolling the troll. Instead of ignoring it and moving on, everyone sees your comments. But hey it’s your life, you are behind a computer screen. You probably don’t care anyways, but I am here to state my opinion and you have pretty much proven it to me. So you sir should be more consistent and get your facts straight. As we say in the Army, attitude reflects leadership, maybe if you cracked down on the name calling and arguing you have throughout your forums and didn’t do it back there would be less and in turn it would be a better community. My opinions clearly do not matter to you though, you know everything. Have a good day/night. Good talk, shape up!

      • #99 by dx on 2011.10.20 - 3:07 am

        A well handled exponential ball of ignorance and potentially spiralling confusion. Obviously there are children among us, but if that is this person’s general opinion of one MW, it’s a good thing he/she did not have to deal with the CEO of Vonrizon/YowNever. Not that this post will help him/her to become less confused. Frankly, I don’t give a… hoot.

      • #100 by Justin on 2011.10.20 - 6:34 am

        Daniel- Take who down? I was clearly stating a fact, read some posts in these forums/blogs read what was said back to the people even though they posted stuff completely stupid and off the wall. It still should of been handled in a professional matter. World of Warcraft is a dying game, it is projected that it will have 8 months more of payed game time then it is going F2P so you will not have to give up your TV and sub.
        Andrew- I did not say that people hated There, I know most of you here are here for the reason to give to There and help the community again… for round two.. Failed once, other virtual world games that have been around since There are still going.
        but this is all beside the point. I clearly stated my opinion, as to which many of you all see and then accused of being a liar and hiding. Obviously Michael did not have his facts straight.
        dx- If you do not care then obviously you would not have posted. I am sorry that I will be the one to say something about it and hopefully make a change. As I said in the post above attitude reflects leadership Michael is the voice of There, everyone knows him. He is the only one that will ultimately make the biggest impact in There. It does not matter who is the CEO they should be held to the highest standards they are the voice.
        I do not apologize for what I have said throughout this great discussion other than saying the game will never make it, I very much so hope it does. This game means a great deal to my brother, I have played a little but my brother grew up playing it. The rest of the things that I have said towards Michael still stand, and have not been corrected by any means.

      • #101 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.20 - 7:30 am

        What’s your problem?
        If you don’t like what Michael is doing, go to Yow-Never and play your childish games there.
        Ya, YA, I know, your rant was not directed at me, however, it was directed at someone I DO respect!
        A word to the, not so wise, is in order:
        Try to stay away from Paintball friendly zones, with your forcefield off.
        I speak for only myself but I don’t believe you made very many friends with your juvenile outburst.
        Forcefield off = sliding a lot.
        Sliding a lot = Picking sand out of places you never knew existed.
        Sliding a lot = Who the hell just shot me? Oh yeah, it was one of the guys that warned me about doing this.
        Sliding a lot = Why the hell am I in this game anyway? No one seems to like me.
        There is a message in there somewhere, think about it.
        Don’t be a coward and send your brother into game with your avie. It would be a shame to discourage someone who is hopefully a better person than his brother.

      • #102 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 9:44 am

        well im sure you have herd of xjazzeyx. he is a dear friend and im sure he could shoot you accross the world if he tryed. i love there with all my heart and by the looks of it you dont seam to be a verry nice person. but i won’t state that because i dont know you. all i can say to you is that i love there. and any feeling you have other then me about that isnt true so please be nice to the people you share your world with. in game and out of game.

      • #103 by acemastter on 2011.10.20 - 2:18 pm

        i get in to world every day its all in the timing lol keep trying

    • #104 by mimi06 on 2011.10.18 - 5:56 pm

      yikes.. I never considered myself as “one of the group”. In fact I was really surprised to be a GP3D. Not sure how you figure this to be fact but after being in world tonight I saw at least a dozen people I had never even met, in my almost 5 years in THERE. I can assure there is NO special groups. If you happen to have a face book acct, check us out there. Pretty surre you’ll find most if not all of us are equal. Popular to me are the ones that build great fun zones. Or KNOW every in an out of THERE. So just saying please don’t think there was any favoritism here, because I for one am not special.. Hope to meet you in THERE someday 😉 P.S. I was never a Beta Tester 🙂 Until now… and even now their are many many who know and can do far more then myself.. I am ready to PAY to PLAY! 🙂

      • #105 by William Grass on 2011.10.18 - 6:11 pm

        i never regarded myself as popular. those that you seem to think as popular have to put thier time up to volunteer as island guides and greeters and hosts and other things to help There and the people. even put them selves up for redicule and abuse. most of all those that got in were persistant at it. so keep on trying. you will get in. good luck.

      • #106 by YankeeintheSouth on 2011.10.19 - 12:23 am

        I was one of the first 5 picked and there is nothing popular about me. Actually I’v always leaned toward the “nerd, outsider” side and proud of it, lol. I wish people would realize rumors are for those that need to make sense to a situation. This subject has been so over played and really pointless. The GP pick was weeks ago, this subject has carried on for so long now. Look forward people, not behind you! If your “popular” enough and have a fast finger, you’ll get in! lol This to shall pass…we will all be in world soon enough and you can gather your special groups and find something new to complain about or make up new rumors?

      • #107 by Superjuice on 2011.10.19 - 3:11 pm

        Way to shut him down MW! WOOT!

      • #108 by CardSharkRay on 2011.10.20 - 11:16 am


      • #109 by jimony on 2011.10.20 - 11:56 am

        Now Mimi, don’t spoil my fantasy that I was in the popular group!

    • #110 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.18 - 5:57 pm

      “So, one of the criteria of becoming a ‘beta tester’ is to be among these top popularity of”
      What the hell is that all about?
      I am one of those GP3D’s and I sure as hell ain’t one of those “top popularity” people. Just ask any of the Snipers!
      If your going to sit back, smug and disillusioned, and comment on the condition of There, get your facts right!
      Michael and I have had our differences and I was in disbelief when I got the first invite and dumbfounded when I received the second.
      My attitude about Michael has changed since I started reading this blog and I let him know it but I never expected to be asked to contribute. I hope that the few things I found will make There a better place for ALL of us to call home!
      As far as getting in world… I have been in world a total of about 20 to 30 mins since the first night. I’m not keeping score but I believe that was 4 or 5 days ago.
      If you don’t like There, go play Yow-never!
      The Zephyr Beagle,
      GP3D, xSnoopy and DAMN proud of it!!

      • #111 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.18 - 6:47 pm

        Hey Sassy.

        Some nights I got in on the first try, and other nights I didn’t get in at all.
        That’s the way it goes, live with it.

      • #112 by daniel on 2011.10.18 - 6:55 pm

        whats up fellow sniper

      • #113 by SassyD on 2011.10.19 - 5:53 am

        Hey Scooby- Doo–aka Snoopy! BACK OFF? Do you think I am some loony you will scrumbe to your ranting! I have an opinion and I wrote it and the right person did in fact replied, I didn’t see the need to continue with the topic so I didn’t reply. Now you on the other hand, choose to take it upon yourself to not only typed gibberish, but acting as if you are ‘bull-buck and duppy conqueror. Judging from the writing of the C.E.O. posts I can tell that he is capable of answering any opinions thrown at him, so he does not need a battalion of ‘SUCKS-UP’ to answer for him. I did not ask you anything about your problem/s with the C.E.O. I wasn’t even talking to you! in fact most of what you are saying is really news to me. What the hell is Yow-never? If you have a bunch of hogs in a sty and you throw a stone at them the ones that got hit will squeal. If you consider yourself not among the popularity why do you even comment, either you are seeking attention from the C.E.O or you all chat too much! If my opinion does not apply to you ‘Discard it’. Just avoid me, zeen! cause I don’t in the long chatting. yu zeem meh!

      • #114 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.19 - 8:11 am

        Sassy, you’re not a loony. Just plain crazy 😉

      • #115 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.19 - 8:33 am

        WOW SassyD,
        I ain’t-a-gonna throw no mo rocks in the direction of yall’s sty no mo. That was quite a squeal!!
        Would you like some cheese and crackers with your whine?
        And it’s Mr. xSnoopy to you.

      • #116 by SassyD on 2011.10.19 - 1:20 pm

        Hey sponge bob! Snoopy, Your lock of understanding is at ground level. That is why you should not respond to every posts you sees here, especially when they aren’t directing at you or you cannot help the situation. Allow the C.E.O to answer after all it is his blog. As the world can see he (C.E.O) did replied to my post long before you and the rest ‘dip in’ especially you! I saw the C.E.O replied but decided to leave it as it is, since my comment was based on “my opinion” which MIGHT BE inaccurate.
        However, you seems to be the head cook and bottle washer so you had to wallah in what don’t concern you! What I said about hogs etc, that is a proverbs, (If you have a bunch of hogs in a sty and you throw a stone at them the ones that got hit will squeal.) TRANSLATION!!! I posted my first comment I DID NOT REDIRECTED it at any names, yet you and few people decided that my posts was directed at them, and decided to start off by saying , ‘they do not consider their selves popular ” so why answer, because my post clearly stated ‘popular’! that what the proverbs meant, it has nothing to do with me or me squalling, I could have easily said, ‘who the cap fit let them wear it” Like I said, Scobert, A void me!

      • #117 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.19 - 3:39 pm

        “Hey sponge bob! Snoopy, Your lock of understanding is at ground level. That is why you should not respond to every posts you sees here,”
        It is LACK of understanding, not LOCK of understanding.
        every POST you SEE here, not POSTS you SEES here.
        Well, your obviously another, well educated individual, masquerading under the banner of intelligent.
        Imagine that, me sitting here critiquing your grammar and English. Whoda thunk it. LOL
        When I log onto this blog, no where did I see a note asking/telling me to limit my responses to no one but those addressing me directly.
        You stated your opinion and I stated mine. Your opinion was indeed inaccurate.

      • #118 by jimmy_jaymz on 2011.10.20 - 7:20 am


        I admit that I have not been in world for a while, but I do not remember this much animosity in There. I certainly hope this is not what it is going to be like once the world opens for everyone.

      • #119 by soledadnegativa on 2011.10.20 - 1:37 pm

        Not True XSnoopy,
        You know we love and respect you dearly. In particularly I respect the fact that you feel so passionate about certain topics and in doing so you feel no remorse whatsoever ultimately displaying signs of a very good trait (strong character), No @$$ kissing , just a few of the facts.

        As I have discussed with you countless times, everything else is just another THERE.COM day for me and I loved every single one since day 1.

        See you soon.

    • #120 by Billy Gene Mckee III on 2011.10.18 - 6:16 pm

      I’ve been in a few times and I am by no means in the “popular” group.Up until the last few months the world was open I maybe logged in once every 2 weeks.And I did nothing but explore.Never really hung out with many people.I get the world is full message just like everybody else.I just try for awhile if I dont get in I try again later.And if I am in I try not to stay in to long unless I’m testing things to see if I can find any bugs somebody else might not have found.And if I think I might have to be AFK for more than a few minutes I go ahead and log out to give others a chance.Yes I have seen some in world who have been AFK for long periods of time thinking they can hog the spot.And I think it’s wrong and glad to see the messages about booting everybody offline to give others a chance to come in.As far as beta testers or GPs in world since the opening to 50 at a time.I’ve seen maybe 3 or 4 of them actually make it in the times I’ve been in.

      • #121 by Sassy D on 2011.10.20 - 8:45 am

        Seriously Bugs bunny! snoopy, Thanks for the correction! I will ignore the rest of your statement. Assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups! mi nuh waa yu fi chat tu mi. That is your homework. Translate it to English, then see if there is any 1) pronoun 2) noun 3) adjective 4) compound words 5) verbs 6) make sure the subject agrees with the verb/s if any etc. Paste the result on your fridge.

    • #122 by OdileS on 2011.10.19 - 3:18 am

      Wow! Double Wow! Speechless here!
      This reminds me of Jr High School, and I am 59 this year!
      >>>>>>>>>>> goes to google the word ‘Issues’…..

      • #123 by softNdark on 2011.10.19 - 8:11 am

        Laughinggggg Just another wonderful reason to be glad I am 55yrs old!!! I think I get calmer with each gray hair on my head.


      • #124 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.10.19 - 12:22 pm

        no kidding!! I’m surprised MW doesn’t just close down this blog; he must find it as amusing as we do!

    • #125 by thereuser on 2011.10.19 - 7:29 am

      I got in 3 times over 4 days… I’m popular!

      • #126 by daniel on 2011.10.20 - 11:28 am

        this is my new favorit song

    • #127 by dalejr388 on 2011.10.19 - 9:22 am

      I have been on a few times I must be popular or maybe just special yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Wow an event maybe they did it to see if it all works right hummmmmmmm that could be it. No wait that can’t be it then there would be no conspiracy to talk about… Next someone will say that some people are fighting over where Pazes should or shouldn’t be in Zephyr.

    • #128 by Hott_Chickk_513 (Jessica) on 2011.10.19 - 11:28 am

      Actually, Your assumptions are very untrue. I am one who has been able to get in for I guess about a week now. I have been in several times. Not once did I hint to MW that I wanted to get in, Not once did I ask. I am no one popular. I hung out in Paiz with Friends, Played cards, Etc.. Never caused a ruckus or anything. I truly believe the People chosen are random and/or beta testers, like Myself.

  43. #129 by freecreed on 2011.10.18 - 3:41 pm

    I’ve always like music by The Cutters , .. and the video is cool too …

  44. #130 by Linwood on 2011.10.18 - 3:32 pm

    I had an interesting thought after I set up the funzone I am renting. I don’t have enough to cover a second month currently on my avatar. If there doesn’t open in a month will I still retain the rights to the zone once the ability to purchase Therebucks comes online?

    • #131 by Jon Brohaugh (puter_head) on 2011.10.19 - 1:39 am

      Just my thoughts… but I would assume that it might be a mistake at this point to rent out zones for the month? I wouldn’t want to count on the fact that it will remain yours after they open and begin charging. But then what do I know??

      I went to rent one last night and got to thinking about it and changed my mind. I would think with a 50 person max it isnt really fair to allow those who did get in to rent everything up before giving a chance to all the others. I may be way off here… but I would think twice about long term rentals until we found out for sure.

      As far as being a “favorite” in order to log in… wow, get real is about all I can say! If you could, explain to me what advantage that would give the team? I think before we go slamming folks and saying silly things we should all start this venture with the belief that they are being honest in the words they write. In order for this to work… we need to believe in MW and the rest of the team!! I truely believe that if that is what they were doing they would simply tell us that. Why hide it… they have been open about everything else up to now!!

      I would bet this wouldn’t even be thought twice about, by those feeling “slighted”, if they had been one of the ones invited in first??

      And IF that were happening, which I do NOT believe… SO WHAT? The end result is going to be us all back in world as soon as possible. I would assume they would like to be MAKING a bit of money as soon as possible. I promise you this is costing them plenty already!

      I started as a beta tester back in February of 2003. I never got asked this time around. I have never been able to log in until yesterday. I have been in world now a couple of times and have not seen ANYONE I know. I have not even seen the folks who were let in first, BECAUSE most of them can’t get in either since we all got the download link.

      Instead of slinging rocks lets support the efforts being made to give us our world back!!

      Just my 2 cents.

      • #132 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.19 - 8:40 am

        AMEN to that puter_head!!
        Mosy on over to Dune Valley Raceway or Zephyr.
        Strange, I have this barn yard mentality going on for some reason 🙂
        Some of us hang out there.
        Besides, any 2003 beta tester is always welcome!!

    • #133 by Justen on 2011.10.19 - 4:08 am

      Yeah I kind screwed up too and rented my house. I was kinda excited whenever I first got in. Sure is nice to see the place though 🙂

  45. #134 by debs4u on 2011.10.18 - 1:48 pm

    I sure wish they would let in like 75 or 100…..I got in a couple times and now its my addiction talking…LOL

    • #135 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.10.18 - 3:05 pm

      Hello… My name is Tig.. I’m a There Addict…

      • #136 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.19 - 5:38 am

        Hello, My name is xSnoopy… I am a There addict!

        I have been a member of TA for 6 1/2 years. They threw me out last night. Told me I was beyond hope 🙂

    • #137 by maverickfred on 2011.10.18 - 3:50 pm

      hi every one i have been in world now 9 times in the last 3 days i had problems the 1st day where i had to unistall every thing and reistall there after i done that i got into world no problems you need to make new follders for your stuff but every thing els looks great buggy raceing is great i put a paz out worked fine dx9 is very good i hope to get in today organise my stuff in folders lol thanks MW AND THE CREW . HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS .

    • #138 by OdileS on 2011.10.19 - 3:20 am

      Hello, my name is OdileS and I AM a THERE addict!

      • #139 by Henrik0303 on 2011.10.19 - 6:35 am

        Me too 😀 Except of the name.. :L

  46. #140 by Superjuice on 2011.10.18 - 1:28 pm

    Can’t wait for the next update! This one should be pretty epic! 🙂

  47. #141 by Azza on 2011.10.18 - 1:00 pm

    Been in the world about 5 times now, Its Excellent, Client hasnt crashed once! Thanks for the update. Also do you know when and for what price will you be selling TBUX.


    • #142 by Escape on 2011.10.18 - 2:13 pm

      Tbux exchange rate is 1800 to 1 (subject to change) and ThereBanker hopefully will be available soon. ‘wave

    • #143 by daniel on 2011.10.18 - 2:23 pm

      yeah i was wondering that to. i have already based a chart on when to by tbux. like $25 a week or something like that. and does anyone know how much i would get for $25. assuming the price was going to be the same?

      • #144 by thereuser on 2011.10.18 - 4:24 pm

        USD25 = 45,000T @1800:1

  48. #145 by WhiteWabbit on 2011.10.18 - 12:12 pm


    well iam trying for the past 3 days and it always said when i log in the server is full can anyone help me or can anyone provide us with the download link

    thank you so much 🙂

    • #146 by ARTIE on 2011.10.18 - 3:03 pm

      I have been locked out too, so I tried something different today. I tried to log in once every 10 minutes. YAY, I finally got in. I havn’t laughed so much in years. (or since THERE closed) The virtual worl od THERE truely is a gift

  49. #147 by freecreed on 2011.10.18 - 11:29 am

    I know it might be awhile before opening but I was just wondering if there will be a free trial for new members , I’ve been telling many about the re-opening but I’n not sure all will try if they have to pay to try , I’m sure once they do they will be hooked … just curious

    • #148 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.18 - 12:28 pm


    • #149 by JasonMK on 2011.10.18 - 2:04 pm

      And in case you haven’t read this either: all of your friends will have to be 18+…There will be charging a monthly fee…There will no longer operate an official forum…You will have to pay by credit card…and if you were banned before you are still banned. It would be nice if we had all of this info under one tab (maybe call it There “2” Q and A) so people don’t have to wonder what the policies will be going forward.

      • #151 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.19 - 11:33 am

        Actually, one minor correction — you’ll be able to pay only via PayPal, whether funded from credit card, checking account, or PayPal balance won’t matter. I transferred some money to PayPal this past payday; I’m ready. 🙂

    • #152 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.10.19 - 3:43 pm

      Do like I plan when it opens as I got dozens of new ppl coming, some willing to pay on day 1, some wanting to try first. Create and pay for a second account, keep a few rides on it, but only rides owned by your main account so no stealing occurs. Change the password to it daily and allow these 18+ friends to try it for 24 hours, that’s all a person needs to see the benefit of There.

  50. #153 by GreenAngel on 2011.10.18 - 9:35 am

    I want to say thank you to MW and Samsyn, I am back home on There and working on my community up in Space, Again thank you sooooooo much, I am soooo happy to be back on There 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  51. #154 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.18 - 8:26 am

    My 1st report! (Finally)
    Wow, it worked SOSOSO smoothly for me! Everything worked perfectly-everything loaded fast! Almost ready for distribution I think. However, my friend I summoned, said that the client was acting all “weird” and she couldn’t really see anything. She was also rendering with DX9 and I thought this was quite strange considering that DX8 seems to be the source of problems for most people.
    From my perspective, the client was the best yet! Thank you so much Team Phoenix!

    • #155 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.18 - 8:30 am

      I have no clue why I finished my report there, I’m not done! ‘rofl’
      Anyway, despite it running the best it ever had (for myself), the client crashed after just 12 minutes and I was unable to log back in 😦
      Ah well, fun whilst it lasted.

  52. #156 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.18 - 7:58 am

    I have got into There like 4 times, yes it is hard to get in. I read people complaining about getting kicked out while in AFK. Realy?
    I see AFK’s while playing and it kinda make mad because if you not going to play for a while why not log out for others to play?
    I mean it’s only 50 people that can log in. I’m sure you all know what I mean, or do you?

  53. #157 by Elaur on 2011.10.18 - 7:10 am

    Did I miss something about the dev program? My submissions are all gone! I also noticed that it doesn’t tell who the Devs are on items so I assume the Dev stuff transferred over or something? I’m scared!!

    • #158 by Henrik0303 on 2011.10.18 - 7:47 am

      I had some submissions too, and they are also gone, and i havent really (as i can remember) seen a post about that lol, but, the thing is, that i THINK, im not too sure about this, but some of my other stuff also dissapeires, since.. i cannot remember that i sold my dog.. it was a brown and white (rare?) dog.. and i had these buggys, that i dont have now.. and i dont think i sold them, and i cant check it since the transmission log is gone..


    • #159 by thereuser on 2011.10.18 - 9:51 am

      According to the original plan Dev system will come back later… don’t panic 😀

      • #160 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.18 - 12:28 pm

        Well, yes, after we apply GOF (‘Giddyup Offset Factor).

      • #161 by Elaur on 2011.10.19 - 3:16 am

        Sorry, I thought about not doing ‘giddyup the second time around but Samsyn was just so AFK and it was all too easy.

        Speaking of which, people keep saying my video on youtube of me griefing you, mw, is fake ’cause you don’t have the staff nametag thingy! It’s a ludicrous! Why would I grief a fake michaelwilson :O

    • #162 by Basya on 2011.10.18 - 11:38 am

      Hi Elaur!! LTNS! As I understand it, once we’re back in world full time and everything is working, they’ll restart the developer program and we should be able to eventually submit new designs and relist our old ones. Also our items in catologue should also show the developers’ names. Samsyn also said he has rewritten Stylemaker and has added somethings — didn’t say anything in particular. MW hinted that we’ll evenually get “textured” faces (already better in DX9) and new hands with all our fingers intact!

      Cya in There!

      • #163 by soede on 2011.10.18 - 7:15 pm

        ‘Hmmm not sure how I feel about that separation of the fingers considering all of my outfits have fingers drawn on them and many designers added fingernails and rings and whatnot. That could end up mapping horribly to a new finger arrangement and looking really weird =/ Not that fingers are bad in and of themselves.
        And if the faces are an addition to what is currently available, YEAH! More variety = Good. However, If it’s a sweeping and unavoidable upgrade, I’m dragging my feet. I like my face. I dont want it upgraded.
        Just stuff I hope they take into consideration. Lots an lots of consideration.

  54. #164 by daniel on 2011.10.18 - 5:51 am

    wow there people in the picture get dirt bikes. i wish i had a dirt bike.

    • #165 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.19 - 11:36 am

      Once developers are able to submit again, ask around; I bet someone can make a hoverbike that looks like a classic dirt bike (assuming there isn’t one already) — I’ve got one that looks like a chopper made of diesel smoke, one that looks like I’m inside a red fish, one that looks like a very short-winged glider, and one that looks like a bathtub…

      • #166 by CpnBob on 2011.10.19 - 4:20 pm

        LOL ~ Daniel was talking about the pic in Cambodia, Dirt Bikes. Ive seen ’em with whole families of 4 or 5 ppl on those bikes. lol

  55. #167 by Andrew Harris on 2011.10.18 - 4:27 am

    I have tried for several days to log in to the world with it being full. I give up so I don’t over load the login servers – with Michael’s mentioning that the servers are “not sea worthy” and don’t have to have another Titanic on our hands..

    Hope to see you guys in the world soon. Thanks for all the hard work everyone has done!

    • #168 by IndyLou on 2011.10.18 - 7:37 am

      Same here. I have the Platinum Fun Pass and have not yet been able to log in. Looks like for now I will just have to keep spending my time and money in Second Life. 😦

      • #169 by IndyLou on 2011.10.18 - 2:07 pm

        Wow! Shortly after posting that, I tried couple more times to log in, and sat in disbelief as I got in! Went to where my hood use to be and dropped a PAZ and went to work putting my items into folders. LOL, that didn’t seem to take me very long. I really thought I had more items than that. Went looking for a There home to rent when the messsage came of logging everyone out. Good thing there is plenty of time on my PAZ. lol. It’s still out and now I can’t get back in to retrieve it. 🙂 It’s good that they are forcing the logouts, seems some are just staying logged in while they watch tv and do other RL things. (Shakes my index finger at them crying “Shame, Shame on you!”)

        Thanks for all the hard work going into bring our favorite home back!

    • #170 by thereuser on 2011.10.18 - 9:58 am

      But the titanic was indestructible!

  56. #171 by cindy83 on 2011.10.18 - 3:45 am

    well iv been having issues with dx8 where my avi is all messed up but when i try dx9 it comes up with a error sayiing the shader something dose not complie and this is a new laptop with windows 7 but when i try ogl i get segvios so i have to use dx8 just so i can get in too find other stuff lol iv sent in pictures so i hope that will help 🙂 other then that everything else seems fine in world atm 🙂 -hugs- if anyone knows how maybe i can fix it?

    • #172 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.18 - 11:44 am

      First thing is to find out what video hardware you have (I’m not a Windows 7 guru — XP is the latest version I have a lot of time on — but you should be able to get that from the Hardware Manager, under System in the Control Panel), then visit that manufacturer’s web site and get the absolute latest “stable release” version of the drivers for your video hardware.

  57. #173 by Make Some Halloween Treats on 2011.10.18 - 3:42 am

    Thanks Every thing is wicked good in there i set up my track in SleepyKs i did better then last time my pants are a little tighter then last time those buggys hall azz now thanks Good Job

  58. #174 by Barbie_Doll on 2011.10.18 - 3:26 am

    Sorry if this has been asked but, if the server is full should we try again later or is that pretty much it for now?

    • #175 by thereuser on 2011.10.18 - 9:55 am

      Yup just try again later… it’s limited to around 50 users so they can track issues with more ease.

    • #176 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.18 - 11:46 am

      By all means, try again — just don’t sit and click the “log in” button a hundred times in two minutes. I’ve been giving it three or four clicks, then closing the client and doing something else.

  59. #177 by That Guy on 2011.10.18 - 2:31 am

    Has anyone got in that has a Silver fun pass? I’ve been trying but I really do think you HAVE to have Gold or Platinum because the people that I know that are trying that have a Gold or Platinum do the same things I do at the exact same time and they get in most of the time and I have yet to be in game :/. Just wondering!

  60. #178 by Aion on 2011.10.17 - 10:29 pm

    I managed to log in for an hour or so last night. Other than the black bar thru the client, it ran pretty well in fullscreen mode at max resolution, with only a little jitter a couple times. I transported around, flew around, drove around, and ran around, changed clothes, took stuff out of inventory, and of course set my avie back to the way I had it. I talked to someone on my friends list (thanks, you know who you are !) and played around with the settings. The audio, as always, was excellent.

    Just now the shockwave plug-in in chrome crashed. So the client is about equal to chrome. Haaaa.

  61. #179 by David Eich on 2011.10.17 - 10:16 pm is down again 😦

  62. #180 by Makhennzi on 2011.10.17 - 8:06 pm

    Now if you can just imagine for a moment folks. If you replace Target with There2. And those doors as the 50 avie limit. You get exactly what is happening. So watch out with the spamming, you might just get trampled on ;).

    Happy Clicking,

    • #181 by Makhennzi on 2011.10.17 - 8:09 pm

      Oh there we go. I learned how to embed 🙂

  63. #182 by Qweasdzxc979 on 2011.10.17 - 7:10 pm

    About my inventory problem, i was a “police” in MDV and some other places. I always had a police coupe. I would never sell it, i have the police coupe lights but no police coupe at all! I only sold my scion fuses, nothing else? Yet i dont have my tagas, jets, or any of the 30 cars i used to have. Is anyone else experiencing this prolem,and does anyone think this will be fixed? Thanks!

    • #183 by Sue_G on 2011.10.18 - 9:52 am

      Do any of the items show up as a greyed out icon and have a description?

      None of my boards, cars, or bikes were in my inventory. For the heck of it, I tried “Retrieving” them. The ones I’ve tried that on so far have all returned to my inventory 🙂

    • #184 by Sue_G on 2011.10.18 - 9:54 am

      Oh! And all of my drinks were gone too. My Beta 2003 mug returned with all 250 sips! Made me happy, as during the last few days of There1 many of us were drinking them down.

    • #185 by thereuser on 2011.10.18 - 10:01 am

      Did you have multiple avatars? Perhaps it’s on another avie?

      One thing I did notice is that with inventory all stacked into the root folder somethings are waaaaaaay down the list.

      Next time you get in start sorting your inventory and see if you run across it 😀

    • #186 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.18 - 11:47 am

      You’re certain you didn’t give all that stuff away the last day or two before closing? There was a lot of that going on…

  64. #187 by Debra Strey on 2011.10.17 - 7:03 pm

    WOWWW! I finally got in tonight. Every thing was fine except the There Groovy buggy in DX9 looks all flashy and seethru…weird! Maybe only for dx8 or its my comp Anyway thanks MW for bringing this wonderful There experience back to us!

    • #188 by Escape on 2011.10.18 - 12:06 pm

      Groovy Buggy, yes there is an issue with the way it looks, allready been reported. ‘tu

  65. #189 by soede on 2011.10.17 - 5:30 pm

    Hey Umm Big question here, and forgive me if it’s been asked and answered elsewhere and I somehow missed it….but is there an auto log out attached to AFKness now?
    I managed to make it back in world (which totally shocked me and made me jump and dance like a chicken) and as things sometimes happen, I was biologically required to step away from the computer. When I came back I was in There no more. =(

    So ummm yeah….Is that a thing?

    • #190 by thereuser on 2011.10.17 - 6:46 pm

      Not sure… but… I made it in 2 times in the last day or so… and both times my avie did something on its own* withing 2 mins of being logged in, and then I was logged out, and returned to a ‘full’ message.

      If it is a bug, we won’t really know until there is an actual chance to log in at will… it could just be very bad timing on our part (when they are doing a global logout)… only time will tell 😀

      the first time my avie was sitting, he then stood up on his own and he logged out on his own.
      the second time my avie was standing, but his drink vanished on it’s own, the drink then reappeared, vanished and then he logged out on his own.

      • #191 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.18 - 11:50 am

        Standing up before logging out is normal — that’s the initial action for leaving a conversation, which all seating groups are; your avie “breaks out” of the conversation, it standing by backing out of the arc of avies, if sitting by standing up. This should always occur before an intentional logout. The drinks, I don’t know about; I seem to recall (before closing) logging my avie out, then coming back later and finding the same drink still in his fist when he reappeared.

    • #192 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.10.17 - 8:37 pm

      Heya, yep it’s a thing but not the kinda thing you’re thinking of. Lately from what I’ve been hearing (not experienced it myself) is that occasionally every hour or so staff will boot users that are online to allow others the chance to get on and play. 😀

    • #193 by cassitiny on 2011.10.17 - 9:48 pm

      I don’t know about afkness, but they do randomly kick EVERYONE out of world with a message just before saying that they are doing so to give others a chance to get in. I would imagine this might have been what happened to you Soede.

    • #194 by David Eich on 2011.10.17 - 10:06 pm

      It could have crashed, it has a habit of doing that at the moment, especially if you have already tried to log in a couple of times in the same session.

    • #195 by spot751 on 2011.10.17 - 11:26 pm

      everyone is booted after about 1 hour to let others have a go

    • #196 by SNIPERBAIT CLICK click CLICK on 2011.10.18 - 2:45 am

      If it was there may be a few who pull a “DUmb and DUmber”……

      • #197 by soede on 2011.10.18 - 7:01 pm

        I got in again today (WOOTS), made great use of my time and was logged out with all the rest, but after more than 5 minutes this time!!!!
        Might have just been especially bad login timing the other day, especially if no one else has experienced AFK auto logouts.
        Thanks for the replies folks =D

  66. #198 by Mollie Duvall Hemric on 2011.10.17 - 5:15 pm

    Really a big bummer when you finally get in but it won’t let you login because your email isn’t verified.

    sad face,

  67. #200 by seany35 on 2011.10.17 - 3:59 pm

    zepher has turned into lag city now all the paz’s are in there it should be a paz free area

    • #201 by spot751 on 2011.10.17 - 11:29 pm

      still in Beta mode… will probably all get cleared when there hits prime time…

  68. #202 by Cellophane Thereian on 2011.10.17 - 3:06 pm

    I always feel perspective shove itself deep into my heart and head when I stand in front of homes such as this or see photographs or videos with homes such as this as the focal point. In other words, knowing of how little some have hurts me as well. I am amazed at the stuff we humans are made of… how we can hold our own against what we’re presented with… I teach my children to see (really see) these things and to comprehend them which I believe is the reason they are sensitive, strong, knowing and kind.

    • #203 by spot751 on 2011.10.18 - 12:00 am

      I know where your coming from, but its there way of life and there expectations of living standards.
      Someone that lives in a 3 story 10 to 20 bedroom mansion, with maids and cleaners and cooks, landscapers and gardeners and so on may think someone in a 3 bed room single story house doing everything for them self must have it hard and would hate to live in them conditions, when really its just a way of life, you adapt to what your brought up with.

  69. #204 by teri on 2011.10.17 - 3:05 pm

    i know you mentioned a mac client a while ago (in the Q&A post i believe) and i was just wondering what’s preventing that from coming out? i miss there a lot and would love to use it without having to go through the hassles of parallels desktop, as i know there must be some other users with this issue as well.

    • #205 by thereuser on 2011.10.17 - 6:50 pm

      My guess is… with limited staff like they are running, it’s easier to get the windows client and the world running properly, and then work on the mac client. Just a guess however 😀

      • #206 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.18 - 11:54 am

        That matches what I’d expect — the vast majority of users can use the Windows client, so it’s sensible to get the world open and those users in (and paying!) before spending time on the Mac client. I’m hoping the Mac client will spawn a Linux client; There is, I think, now the only program still keeping me in Windows (I’ve got hard drive space now, I’ll probably know for certain soon).

      • #207 by teri on 2011.10.19 - 6:38 pm

        until then, i finally fixed my issues with parallels desktop. so all is good.

    • #208 by DavyRocket on 2011.10.17 - 7:05 pm

      ‘shrug trying to get all the bugs worked out, and get the world open might be a reason why the Mac client was put on hold.

  70. #209 by William Grass on 2011.10.17 - 2:34 pm

    I got into There today, the 17th. I noticed a serious problem. incapacitating one: rubber banding. it stops i move a few feet or get on a bored or buggy. the rubbrbanding starts again. I manage to tp out. And it strts at the new location. any suggestions?

  71. #212 by djmart on 2011.10.17 - 12:25 pm

    hello MW my avi djmart i can not login at all it logs in to thereIM fine but not in the world even when you restarted the servers i have tryed dx8-9 and OGL and still no joy i even reinstalled can you please help thank you

    • #213 by Sue_G on 2011.10.17 - 1:34 pm

      I looked, and I believe you have a silver funpass. From the previous blog post by MW quoting Samsyn:


      Any (non-banned, 18+) legacy avatar (i.e. your old Avatar) that has been recreated on the new, can take part in the download/installer testing.

      And, of those, any avatar with the “Beta Test” privilege can then log into the new 3D world!

      So, do YOU have the beta test privilege? Meh, we dunno, just try it. If you had a PLATINUM funpass then you likely have the beta test privilege. If you had a GOLD funpass then you *might* have the privilege. If you didn’t have at least a GOLD funpass, then probably you don’t have the Beta Test Privilege.

      But please try the download/install of the 3D client in any case! If you turn out to not have the Beta privilege, well, we still appreciate your testing the avatar creation and client installation. You’ll get in soonish, honest!

    • #214 by CardSharkRay on 2011.10.17 - 1:51 pm

      Are You Dumb he said only 50 avies in world be allowed read or are you to dumb

      • #215 by djmart on 2011.10.17 - 2:46 pm

        thanks sue_G

      • #216 by migman on 2011.10.17 - 2:47 pm

        Thats right bash on some one for asking a question,or are you just a smart@ss.

      • #217 by DirectX (dx) on 2011.10.18 - 2:55 am

        To dum or not to dum. That is a question. It’s obvious kids are keeping us from entering. No worries, Jinxed! BTW, I’m already your neighbor again. Won’t you be my neighbor?

      • #218 by OdileS on 2011.10.18 - 3:00 am

        Shame on you for asking someone if they are dumb? I have learning disabilities, and because of that, I recent the fact you would say that someone is dumb because they did this or that…shame on you!

      • #219 by jake_jackson on 2011.10.18 - 11:48 am

        Now now boys and girls isn’t this the reason 18 and under are not allowed and please behave. Don’t you all realize its waiting for the world to open thats causing this minor distraction and the team is working their butts off to help stop these incidents brought on by stress and a momentary lapse in judgement. Don’t be mad at me for stating the obvious. I didn’t start this dust up ROFL.

      • #220 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.10.18 - 11:53 am

        For one his issue may have zero relation to the number of avatars allowed in at once. For two, don’t call people dumb when you’re too ignorant to know the difference between to and too. Just saying.

  72. #221 by The_wifey on 2011.10.17 - 11:45 am

    I have been in world 4 times now…YAY!! One time I just got in and then a msg came up saying they were logging everyone out so more ppl had a chance to get in….I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOO…..but I was able to log right back in. So far I have used all my cars, hoover packs, etc…everything worked just fine…inventory was fine….the only thing is when I would do the change me it showed a black box around the change me thing..and at the bottom of my screen there is a constant black bar where msg’s show up normally. Everything else seems to be working great. I even skilled up and got my ticket!! Can’t wait for more ppl to get in. 🙂

    • #222 by Jinxed_Karma on 2011.10.17 - 2:33 pm

      MW. I think you’d be safe to assume (as I am sure you know) an enforcement of the 18+ rule applies here. God help us all if I’m wrong!

      • #223 by Jinxed_Karma on 2011.10.17 - 2:37 pm

        Oh no! I may have clicked “reply” to the wrong post 😦 Hopefully, MW, you can just delete these two posts and I’ll bite my tongue. I not, I’m sorry The_wifey; that post was not directed towards you.

      • #224 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.17 - 7:27 pm

        An under 18 wifey :-S lolz
        It’s ok Jinx easy mistake to make!

      • #225 by the_wifey on 2011.10.18 - 10:25 am

        Yes I am not under 18 lol…..

  73. #226 by jonathan5k2006 on 2011.10.17 - 11:29 am

    Segviolation in zepher

  74. #227 by LeeCarmen08 on 2011.10.17 - 11:29 am

    I got so lucky this morning. I logged into the world for like 4 seconds then I Seg Viod and tried to log back in but it was full. What a moment..

  75. #228 by Achenar on 2011.10.17 - 11:00 am

    Just wanted to say how nice it is to have adjjustable-size chat-boxes. :)) A great improvement – Tx MW and the team . Wooooooooooooooooot!!

  76. #229 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.17 - 10:45 am

    I swear I am the only one that hasn’t got in yet! 😦
    Oh well, I guess I gotta be patient, thats life. 🙂

  77. #230 by soybean on 2011.10.17 - 10:44 am

    seeing pitchures like this always reminds me that some people think they have hard times living in the United States.there are people all over this world that would concider the shittiest place in America heaven.

  78. #231 by Hott_Chickk_513 (Jessica) on 2011.10.17 - 9:46 am

    Met Some Old & New Friends Last Night. Everyone Was Very Friendly & Helpful! Everything Ran Great For The Hour Or So I Was Online. I’m Liking The Idea Of No Underage, It’s Much More Peaceful! :} Enjoy The Pics Taken Last Night! Can’t Wait To See You All Again :]









    • #232 by Hott_Chickk_513 (Jessica) on 2011.10.17 - 9:50 am

      Well Those Links Didn’t Work! Let’s Try This!..

  79. #233 by spot751 on 2011.10.17 - 9:45 am

    All is going really well, everything seams to be working, I have not had the client shut down (unknown error) for a wile now… have been able to get back out in space, everything out there works as it should, the graphics are better than ever… everything seams to load ok, there has been some things that have taken longer than others, but all seams normal. All the good stuff still works, drop tricks, stacking all going will… I have been getting stuck in spars, and have had to warp out of them, will add video…

    • #234 by spot751 on 2011.10.17 - 9:51 am

      The other thing I forgot to add was that black box, where notifications pop up…. don’t know what the go is with that…

    • #235 by jimony on 2011.10.17 - 2:21 pm

      Hey spot, glad you got in! Does this make you feel better about “soon”, lol?

    • #236 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.10.17 - 5:09 pm

      If I remember correctly, the spa will prompt you when you try to leave if you want to save your changes to your lookset or not. Since the changme window is not shown, (which I suspect is a Flash based problem that many others have too) then you probably can’t see the prompt either to click save changes or not. That’s my guess since I can’t get into world at the moment and try to duplicate this problem.

      The black bar issue has been mentioned multiple times by others and is also listed in the known bugs in MW’s last blog post I believe. Fear not! Staff is working on it so keep reporting those bugs to and good luck! 😀

  80. #237 by zandarkei on 2011.10.17 - 8:45 am

    MW Hi, My wife told me she read a post and the person said to go in ThereIM …then to your profile….then get there and download from there…I did and it dloaded there dx8 is this the correct way to dload what we need to get in at the later date when you let most of us back in? If not should I uninstall or delete that and sart over? I want things to run smooth for myself and the wife when we are allowed back in….TY

    • #238 by Jdin707 on 2011.10.17 - 12:00 pm

      You download in DX8, and once your in you can use There tweeker to change to DX9, no need to uninstall…………

  81. #239 by MrScrooge on 2011.10.17 - 8:43 am

    I hope you all are having lots of fun! I’ll be getting my new computer sometime around November 17th, and will soon be infecting you all with my presence once more!

    • #240 by mimi06 on 2011.10.17 - 10:17 am

      awsome scroogy, miss you 🙂

    • #241 by SaltySilver on 2011.10.17 - 12:47 pm

      We miss you Scrooge! Great news on your new PC.

    • #242 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.17 - 1:09 pm

      There is an Asus laptop that is perfect for gaming.. Asus – Laptop / Intel® Core™ i7 Processor / 17.3″ Display / 8GB Memory – Black
      •NVIDIA GTX 560M graphics
      For lush images. HDMI output for connection to an HDTV.
      I just bought this one.. when my PC wouldn’t connect to

      Happy you’re Happy 🙂

    • #243 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.10.17 - 2:01 pm

      Happy to hear you are getting a new one Scrooge.

    • #244 by OdileS on 2011.10.18 - 3:05 am

      Way to go Scrooge…so glad for you!!!!!!

  82. #245 by Jdin707 on 2011.10.17 - 8:27 am

    Hey All, I was able to get in twice this weekend, I only stayed for an hour or so. I didn’t want to be a time hog…lol Everything seemed to work well for me, I only had a problem or two tele porting sometimes took a bit longer than usual. I was able to use DX8, and 9. I’m not sure if more inventory will be pushed out on a later date, but mine was lacking a ton of stuff. I am so pleased with the work everyone has done from staff, and testers before us, and look forward to a better There when all the bugs are worked out…..

  83. #246 by alexandria3178 on 2011.10.17 - 7:27 am

    Finally got to log-in. Was so happy… submitted my troubles noted… Definately had to use DX9….. DX8 was bad news

    • #247 by Sue_G on 2011.10.17 - 9:47 am

      I was finally able to log in this morning, 7:30 eastern. My inventory loaded right away. After reading some of the comments here, I started with DX9 rather than 8. Unfortunately, I had less than 10 minutes in world as I had to head off to RL work. Hope to get back in soon.

      Man! It was great to be “home” again! I can’t thank Team Phoenix enough for all of their very hard work.

  84. #248 by migman on 2011.10.17 - 7:09 am

    The majority of diehard afkers must be on avman 7,havent been able to get in since thursday night.

    • #249 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.17 - 7:58 am

      Try AvMan 6; I haven’t been on yet!

    • #250 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.17 - 8:26 am

      Try avman7, since I logged off on 4 days ago, I have not gotten on since, but its ok. We will allow others a chance to get on.

  85. #251 by JasonMK on 2011.10.17 - 7:04 am

    You know, it is that moment when it says “connecting to world” followed by “logging on” that gives such false hope, lol. The kicker is when I go and close out of the login screen it asks me “Do you really want to exit There?”…the answer is NO, but I have to chose YES 😦

    This too shall pass, keep up the great work.

  86. #252 by cindy83 on 2011.10.17 - 3:20 am


  87. #253 by GreenAngel on 2011.10.17 - 3:04 am

    Hi everyone, I finally got to be in There for a few hours yesterday, inventory loaded up quickly, and I was working on organizing inventory when i was booted off for maintenance. but it was great to be home again

  88. #254 by Abacus on 2011.10.17 - 2:39 am

    Just a note on the PortaFuns/Pazes. When There1 closed my PortaFuns had many several days on them and upon the re-opening of There2 they have defaulted to the time limit they came with when first bought from auctions. (which is only an hour)

    From a quick skim over the email I received from a staff member,

    Any time remaining on a Paz when There1 closed would be compensated by a ThereBux refund if that Paz that had MORE THAN THE DEFAULT STARTING MINUTES on it. The compensation would be in terms of a Golden Ticket or a brand new There2 Paz/Pazes with its default minutes to make up the difference. So There would not specifically refund the minutes on the OLD There1 Paz, since you would have been compensated for those minutes on the brand NEW There2 Paz/Pazes.

    I’m in no rush to get my paz time back as I wish MW and his staff to address the bugs to get There OPEN for everyone.

    Just thought I’d share that so other Paz and PortaFun owners know the policy.

    • #255 by Greenie on 2011.10.17 - 6:18 am

      Thanks for sharing the info. Will we have to report to receive the compensation or is it automatic for re-claimed avatars?

      I like your thoughts on no rushing at this stage. ‘tu

      • #256 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.17 - 7:37 am

        I continue to be amazed at people who “expect” refunds and compensation considering that we CLOSED. I’m very happy we could get everything back, but, again, money you spent in There was not an investment. We’re going to do our best to restore everything as it was, but please remember it’s a gimme, not a “right”.

      • #257 by Greenie on 2011.10.17 - 4:29 pm

        I don’t think that I would qualify for compensation on paz time as referred to in the post from Abacus so I’m not asking for me, much less, expecting anything.

        Pardon me if it came off that way.

        I was responding to a post which indicated that compensation was being explained by staff.

        I have heard and read it being mentioned that people had alot of time on paz at closing and log in to find that time expired.

        I can understand this being questioned if for no other reason than curiosity.

        If on closing day, a 200m paz had 3months paid on it, and now it has no time left, where did the time go? That’s what they want to know.

    • #258 by softNdark on 2011.10.17 - 8:27 am


    • #259 by jimony on 2011.10.17 - 2:29 pm

      I think the Pazes all defaulted to their original times. Going through to reset hundreds of thousands of PAZ times is too much to ask. Some people will gain time, some will lose time. I think the main thing is to be happy for the There time we are getting that we never thought we would again.

  89. #260 by David H on 2011.10.17 - 1:24 am

    Your forums are down 😦

    • #261 by Greenie on 2011.10.17 - 6:20 am

      • #262 by David Eich on 2011.10.17 - 12:38 pm

        Yes, I know, was down, as in the There forums. which part of that did you not understand?

      • #263 by Greenie on 2011.10.17 - 4:57 pm has been going through a growing spurt and needed a little time offline to update to better accomodate members and visitors.

        The forum is up and running now and it should all stabilize soon.

    • #264 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.17 - 6:26 am

      No more official forums, Dave. Though Makena are now supporting Thumdar’s unofficial forum if you want to rant somewhere! Highly recommended you visit 🙂

      • #265 by David H on 2011.10.17 - 5:40 pm

        As I said was down… for several hours in fact…

    • #266 by Abacus on 2011.10.17 - 8:16 am

      Speaking for myself I only reported the paz time issue as one of the beta bugs and it was not my intent to gain anything monetary by it.

      I was actually quite surprised anything was even offered at all and do appreciate the gesture by MW and staff at making the attempt to appease the mob and restore everything as it was.

      Now where did I put that pitch fork…

  90. #267 by Black on 2011.10.16 - 11:27 pm

    Omg im in!!! Whoo… i know i might get kicked out soon, but anyone seeing themselves flicker or your body deformed, make sure to do the there tweeker, it fixed me right up 🙂 Thank you MW!

  91. #268 by qweasdzxc979 on 2011.10.16 - 8:43 pm

    Uh oh; When I logged in, my Tbux were there, and about 6 cars were there. Please note that when I left, I had around 35 cars/vehicals. Is it a glitch that will be solved later? Or am I out 30 cars worth alot of money, does anybody know? thank you!

    • #269 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.17 - 1:50 am

      There have been a number of reports like this on forums — most of which are due to people giving away a lot of “stuff” shortly before closing, and then forgetting they’d done it. Could that be you?

    • #270 by mimi06 on 2011.10.17 - 2:40 am

      If I recall correctly, it takes a while for all your gear to load. There are others who didn’t have there “stuff” right away as well..

    • #271 by David H on 2011.10.17 - 6:35 pm

      I found my stuff in “Organize Me”, I had HEAP of stuff and was REALLY worried that I lost it but it all appeared in Organize Me so I put it in folders etc.. It’s not a fantastic interface but it works I guess.
      So check there.

  92. #272 by Kaleb on 2011.10.16 - 7:39 pm

    I wish I didn’t have a life so I could just keep clicking Log In hoping that it would work.

  93. #273 by NathanAvis on 2011.10.16 - 6:54 pm

    Sending my testing results and findings to the feedback email. Wishing Team Phoenix well. Also, MW, what happened to the There_Test family? They gonna have a reunion? 🙂

  94. #274 by mimi06 on 2011.10.16 - 6:14 pm

    Wonders if Michael will miss all this when THERE is up and running.. ? I just wanted to toss another huge Thank You to you all that have given us OUR world back. And for tolerating what seems like an eternity of complaints, bashing and plain old selfishness.. sure not everyone.. but reading thru pages and pages I often wonder if you do realize the majority is above and beyond happy. all kidding aside THANK you for putting up with

    • #275 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.16 - 9:44 pm

      Re: Wonders if Michael will miss all this?
      Most of are like a bunch of little kids driving him nuts, I bet he can’t get it done fast enough!

  95. #276 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.16 - 5:35 pm

    Can someone sale me tbux or is that against the rules now? If its ok does some have some tbux they want to sale?

    • #277 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.16 - 5:37 pm

      I would buy them but the There Tbux is closed 😦

    • #278 by qweasdzxc979 on 2011.10.16 - 7:43 pm

      I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be against the rules; It never has been in the past…

      • #279 by Escape on 2011.10.17 - 10:42 am

        Don’t forget about the banker policy change, ThereBanker controlled by There is the only way to purchase tbux!

    • #280 by Basya on 2011.10.17 - 11:39 am

      I believe that MW stated early on that there would be NO 3rd party tbucks sold! They’ll only be availble thru Therebanker. Sorry– guess you will have to wait.

      • #281 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.17 - 5:42 pm

        Yes I will wait and I read that, just thought that 3rd party meant like a 3rd website could not sale tbux. I wasn’t sure about from just from other people. That’s why I asked here because I knew I could get the correct answer before doing something wrong, Got to support the rules so we can keep There here this time. Thanks!

  96. #282 by kazza123 on 2011.10.16 - 4:45 pm

    yay been in a couple of times now running great everything working great but i had to change to DX9 coz DX8 wouldnt work for me the DX9 is great things look sharper and brighter the colours are alot better too and water has reflection on it aswell its awsome but one prob im having is on the viewer i have a thick black line along the bottom off the viewer and when i bring up buddies list and change me and volume boxes on screen i get a black box around them all to thats the only prob i have found so far… so going great.. awsome job team and thank you

  97. #283 by Osee on 2011.10.16 - 3:19 pm

    I have tried several times to get in since friday, is any better time?
    Guess I will check back in couple months maybe then it will be available then.
    Any guess when it might possible open for real this is getting very old.
    I guess i go to back of line for asking. But customers should be able to ask something without getting punished but. that is your biz Mr Wilson
    I want to thank you for your smart A** comments to everyone for asking a simple question, read back over 90% of YOUR replies!
    Ignore it if you don’t like what someone ask, why act childish?
    Just my opinion

    • #284 by zandarkei on 2011.10.17 - 8:39 am

      The Opinions expressed here are by no means the opinions of us all. Some of us..myself included enjoy a good sacastic remark or smart s** reply. So this person does not speak for us all. not even all Bobbys…or is it Bobbies..or Bobbi…lol

  98. #285 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.10.16 - 2:52 pm

    SO EXCITED!!! I got IN!! I didn’t stay long, but long enough to see that Zephyr has already been ruined :-((. Really, guys??
    Everything worked, except for I couldn’t save changes made at a spa in Zephyr.

    HOME HOME HOME!! And Percy already reclaimed Spinning Spades and has an event scheduled ”’yay!

  99. #286 by William Grass on 2011.10.16 - 1:35 pm

    okay I have been in twice. nice work PHOENIX TEAM. I have noticed a differece, no seqvio error either time. Just rubber banding and I put that off to first time to that spot and it clears up in time. Is there anyway I can get back to the walkway. I had seqvio probs the only time i was there. on the first day There was opened to us all.

  100. #287 by William Grass on 2011.10.16 - 1:19 pm

    I got in again and i have notice the Phoenix team handiwork. The fact i got in twice today, and no seqvio errors. still get rubber banding whenever i go to new sight, but in time it stops. so i am happy and let someone else have fun.

    • #288 by JS on 2011.10.17 - 8:36 pm

      Thanks you’re a good man for thinking of others. I appreciate that. I hope I make it in at least once. Take care

  101. #289 by freecreed on 2011.10.16 - 12:40 pm

    Here’s the Avman Status page if you want to check .. .. and you can see what server you avatar is on … but with only 50 allowed per Avman server , don’t expect to get in , and as suggested , don’t keep trying it doesn’t help anything ..

    • #290 by ForTehLulz on 2011.10.17 - 5:29 am

      #31 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.16 – 5:38 pm
      No, it’s 50 avatars total.

      • #291 by freecreed on 2011.10.17 - 7:48 am

        I stand corrected , but happy anyway because I got in ! … everything worked great , my gear continued to load the entire time I was there , about 30 minutes or so … slow computer I guess and I have tons … why was it Monday though , 😦 , I had to log off to go to work .. I almost took the day off , lol … I’m satisfied and will only toss the dice once in awhile to get in again , good luck everyone

  102. #292 by Vanessa on 2011.10.16 - 12:33 pm

    Paypal is popular but there reputation is far from perfect. If i wasn’t a long time Therian I would never sign up unless there was a alternate method of paying. Perhaps something to consider.

    • #293 by dakotaman on 2011.10.17 - 2:10 pm

      PayPal has a sterling reputation, evidenced by the fact that it is the #1 online payment system. I have used the system since its inception with zero problems. I can’t think of a better pay system in existence.


    • #294 by knighthawk101 on 2011.10.20 - 6:06 am

      I’m afraid I must agree with Vanessa. I got ripped for over $400.00 a few years ago. Thankfully my bank took care of it, but, it should never have happened.

  103. #295 by mimi06 on 2011.10.16 - 12:03 pm

    Thanks for reminding us how greedy we can be.. The message in world is a great idea, as well as having us leave so others can have some time in game 🙂 I for one am guilty of spending to much time in game when I can. I can assure you none of it is AFK.. Thanks again for this great idea 🙂 ( need to catch up on my wifey duties anyways) lol

  104. #296 by shezbanjo on 2011.10.16 - 11:54 am

    ive had a great time in There seems so fresh and new inventory loaded fine..dogs are all well..thanks for all the hard very grateful for all the hard work

  105. #297 by Lela on 2011.10.16 - 11:52 am

    The updates make it feel so close I can almost taste the flaming banana but the details of issues really helps me understand the timeline. Thank you very much for the progress report and thank you for allowing 50 in. I haven’t been a lucky winner – I want to pull out my board SO bad – but I know there is hope for There.

  106. #298 by William Grass on 2011.10.16 - 11:35 am

    I got in about 1pm pacific. Saw shezbanjo and chatted for a couple of minutes. All was good for a couple of minutes. Started to rubberbanding and couldn’t get out my buggy even. or tp out. lost my avie so logged out. Total time in world 10 minutes.

  107. #299 by _Taz on 2011.10.16 - 11:17 am

    I switched to DX9 and avie’s are no longer deformed. Everything’s working great so far.

  108. #300 by Kaleb on 2011.10.16 - 10:40 am

    Let more people in and see if there are any big issues instead of fixing the little ones and then releasing it and the world taking a S*** on everyone, just an Idea. More people more problems I would think.

    • #301 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.16 - 2:34 pm

      How about we just sit back, chill out and leave the technical stuff up to the experts?
      I for one, would rather see the problems worked out rather than 200 of us crash the server(s) as soon as we get in game.

      • #302 by migman on 2011.10.16 - 4:12 pm

        If you read the update you will see it states 50 avies per avman thats 400 people.IMO it would have been better to just invite more gp3d to make the load he wanted.That way no griping that i have tried 2 or 3 days to get on and cant.It would also solve the relentless clicking by some.

      • #303 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.16 - 5:38 pm

        No, it’s 50 avatars total.

      • #304 by migman on 2011.10.16 - 5:49 pm

        My bad i guess i need to proof read more.

        We’re limiting the population of the world to ~50 avatars, or, more precisely, 50 divided by the number of AvMan servers we have per Avman server.

      • #305 by Hugsie on 2011.10.16 - 7:43 pm

        you did state it as it was 50 per avman server. However since i can’t get on AT ALL it must be 50 avis total across the board. Ah well I’m getting a new video card Monday.. yay!

      • #306 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.16 - 8:07 pm

        It’s ~50 total. Period. The End.

      • #307 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.17 - 9:08 am

        Xsnoopy and MW,

        There is an e-mail going around stating

        ” The actual 3D World is now available to the public, however it’s currently limited to 50 avatars per avman server. So although it may be hard to get a chance to login, don’t give up. (However remember not to spam the login button too much).”

        Helpful and innocent as it maybe , its inacurrate. hense some thought it was 50 Pre avman vs. 50 TOTAL.

        A Hui Hou,

        IMAKOS (Leilani)

      • #308 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.17 - 10:08 am


        Let’s hope the people that believe that one don’t get any of those mails from Nigeria about the millions of $ waiting to be claimed. I don’t want them to get it before I do!!!!!

      • #309 by DirectX (dx) on 2011.10.18 - 3:11 am

        7 avies, ya say, MW? KK.

        This has been a joke. Not a very good one, but nevertheless, the number illustrated above, expressed or implied, is not the actual number of avatars currently permitted into world, simultaneously. That number would be 50. I accept no responsibility, whatsoever, for any damages incurred if MW sees this. Amen.

    • #310 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.17 - 10:48 am

      MW, well, Now if they do or did.. I happen to know this Private little Island called Ni’ihau I’d like to sell them, really cheap. Muahahahahahah

    • #311 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.17 - 1:57 pm

      OMG Michael!!
      That email was a scam??
      I gave them my CC number.
      I am expecting my 10 million dollar check, this Friday.
      Had plans on making you an offer for There.
      Guess I don’t have anything to say about Zephyr after all. 🙂

  109. #312 by spot751 on 2011.10.16 - 9:37 am

    Still working well here.
    Computer: Intel quod core 3ghz 4gb ram 1gb HD 4870 video and running win 7 32bit.
    Core 4 runs at 100%, ram runs at about 60% and I run DSL +2 (30mbps download) with it using about 2% at times of 100mbps on the network, there has been some unexpended shut down of the client, (stops responding) but not as much as the p4

    the P4 3ghz hyper thread, 3gb ram, on board video running win XP, real clean computer, but get a unexpended shut down of the client, (stops responding) from time to time and wants to send a bug report…
    As a basic setup with just client running, I use 50 to 55% cpu and 929m of 3409m of ram 1to 2% of 100mbps on the network

    other than that I have not had a lot of problems wile its been running… some small lock ups now and then, everything seams to work as it did before, it all loads quick, everything has worked that I have put out and has rendered quick…

    dont know if this helps any

  110. #313 by Hott_Chickk_513 (Jessica) on 2011.10.16 - 9:25 am

    After Trying Here & There For The Past Few Days, I Finally Got Into The World Last Night! & To Top It Off, My Side Kick Got In Right After Me, So We Done Lots Of Exploring & Had A Heck Of A Time. I Did Notice A Few Things Like A Black Bar Going Across My Screen, That Was Eventually FIxed Before Me Logging Out, There’s A Few Other Things. Everyone Just Be Patient! 🙂 I Was Overly Excited To Get In But There’s Really No One To Be Found Once You Leave The Welcome Walkway, So Don’t Expect To Hang In Large Groups Right Now As You Did Before THERE Closed. (Just FYI) We Are Only “Testing” Right Now.

    Thank You To MW, Samsyn & All Others Who Have Helped To Bring THERE Back. We’ve All Missed The Fun! :]

  111. #314 by RockinWolfman on 2011.10.16 - 8:16 am

    Deos anybody know how to switch to the DX9 renderer? Please!

  112. #316 by SB on 2011.10.16 - 7:42 am

    Logged in today! I’m happy to report that all went well. Inventory loaded nicely and graphics seemed sharper, brighter in appearance. I teleported around a few times, boarded over a few hills, buggied about and played with my pup. Voice worked but I didn’t try private messaging. Things looked great. Nice work!

    My machine:
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
    AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 215 Processor (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
    ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series

    • #317 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 10:20 am

      I’m on Windows XP Home SP3, Pentium E5200 dual-core 2.5 GHz, 2 GB RAM (minus the 256 MB that my on-board video uses), and nVidia GeForce 7050 on-board. The last few months before closing, I was on this same machine (I’ve had it almost three years now), and still had the loading problems. However: recent upgrades, I got a new router a couple months ago, and I’ve installed a new, much larger hard disk which is formated in NTFS instead of FAT32; we’ll see after a while whether that affects my loading problem (I used to get loading failures once my local object cache got above about 2 GB).

  113. #318 by daniel on 2011.10.16 - 7:10 am

    hey MW call me foolish but i have a silver funpass and i have been trying to get in for 2 days including nights and it always says full. i feal as if i should have gotten in at least once. if i have been trying for 2 days strate. and im wondering that if i had a platnum funpass one of those fulls would have gotten me in. was it just my funpass level and i have been waisting my time?

    • #319 by PcDoc on 2011.10.16 - 7:59 am

      I have platinum, and I have yet to get in. It is just limited right now.

      • #320 by William Grass on 2011.10.16 - 8:18 am

        platinum funpass, maybe gold. but try anyway. reality is 50 max in world maybe 3000+ wanting in. lotsaa luck.

    • #321 by Greenie on 2011.10.16 - 8:06 am

      I doubt it.

      I’ve got a Platinum Fun Pass and I couldn’t get in for two days either.

      When I did get in, it was a random click and not bombarding the log in button.

      I cleared my browser cache.
      Signed on to THERE IM and let it load
      Opened THERE login, waited for it to load and closed the IE window leaving the login window and THERE IM open.
      Then, a few clicks, close the login screen.
      For me, each time that I did get to fully log in, it was on that random, oh well, might as well try one more time, click, turn away and be busy elsewise… look at the pc and find THERE ready and loading!

      Sorting my things into basic folders really made a difference in not freezing when trying to access My Things.

      I’ve sent in a crash dump file and posted some about my experiences at forums.

      I’m so glad to see some rotation in logging in. So many more testers with different game useage and methods will mean that more possible bugs can be sent packing!

      Keep Hope and Patience, the Adventure Continues!!!

    • #322 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 10:13 am

      From what Michael said above, if you really have Silver, not Platinum, you should be getting a different message than “world full” — because if you aren’t at least Gold, you most likely don’t have Beta privileges, which is required to get into world now (though you can successfully download and install the client with even Bronze). So, if you log into ThereIM, go from there to your own profile, and it’s really Silver, you simply can’t get in yet (though most of us can’t get in at any given time anyway, because 50 really isn’t very many avatars compared to the number who want to get in).

    • #323 by luckyjunior2005 on 2011.10.16 - 11:06 am

      Daniel, like PcDoc said, there are quite a few of us who have platinum fun pass who still haven’t been able to get in.

  114. #324 by GreenAngel on 2011.10.16 - 6:58 am

    I have been trying for 2 days to get onto There 😦 but I been getting that There server is full. But its a good sign that we are getting closer to home

  115. #325 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.10.16 - 6:35 am

    Don’t forget to turn in your bug reports folks!

    This is a great place to share info with each other, but the team really needs reports sent to so we can squash these bugs. 😀


  116. #328 by Guernseyman on 2011.10.16 - 6:21 am

    Just thought I’d put my penny worth in (ROFL) , I have been in twice now and have had no problems so far while on world. I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with DirectX 9 (it defaulted to 9 in the There Tweaker) and screen size went to the largest for my 22″ wide screen monitor so had a nice streched view, no problems with graphics that I could see or sound problems either. The one comment I would make is that every thing looks better much brighter sharper and crystal, was it my imagination or does the eyes have a little clint in them now?. I had no problems loging in just 3 presses (lucky me), feel sorry for all those that are still trying to get in. I’ve had my 2 inserts into world now and must say a big thank you to team Phoneix and Michael Wilson for making the virtual world even better than before the plug was pulled just over a year and half ago. Also may I thank all my old and new friends who I met on world while I was on the beta test and tested out those Spades tables and various other little things, I dont think we broke any thing while testing. One thing that did make me laugh was the system messeges which said something along the lines that repairs were being carried out and thanks for being patiant!!, wonder what repairs they were?. I seem to remember that happening when we were normaly in world before the plug was pulled!!!, to those who complain about that little black box that appears after system messege or buddies loging out go off screen do what I did and tick the messege box in settings, the messeges stay put and no black box walla simple fix till they work out a repair on it.

    • #329 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 10:10 am

      The “system under repair” messages were, as I recall, actually related to poor communication between your client and the servers. I used to get them all the time, they’d last half an hour or so before the system would be “restored” — that was at the same time I was getting failure to load items, even pretty basic, common stuff like some types of tree, then later anything in a PAZ or even funzone contents. About a year after There closed, my router completely died — best look into upgrading/replacing yours, or at least see if it can be tested (here, they’re about $30 for a pretty good wired router).

      • #330 by Guernseyman on 2011.10.16 - 2:22 pm

        The NETGEAR router I use is brand spanking new and only less then a month old and is latest spec, I was not the only one to get the “System under repair message” as the folks I was testing with all laughed as one in voice when it appeared. Apart from that nothing else happened so I dont think its my end or my fellow friends end either, perhaps Michael Wilson or some one from Team Phoneix would like to comment on it?. I hope my tip on the black bar issue has been taken in by some people as I would rather see a constant message bar then a black bar, not every one will like it I know but at least its a temporary fix.

  117. #331 by urbanb on 2011.10.16 - 4:50 am

    Ok, on the edge of my seat now lol. Looked as though I was about to get into There without the world full message, but was hit with the “ Email Verification” notice. Haven’t received the verification email yet, and on top of that, the “world is full” message has now returned 😥 . One small window opened, just to be “unverifiabled” back into the “Try again” mode *cries again*. So for anyone trying to get in (please do not try every 10 sec – 1 min), be sure to verify your email address again beforehand.

    Update…. received verification email, now verified 😀

  118. #332 by JasonMK on 2011.10.16 - 3:15 am

    It seems like the luck fifty with the golden tickets have already entered the Chocolate Factory…and it doesn’t appear any of them plan on leaving. I will have to be quicker next time 😉

    • #333 by thereuser on 2011.10.16 - 7:28 am

      Maybe one will eat some Blueberry Delight and float off the server like a giant blue felium ball, making a space for ya.

      • #334 by JasonMK on 2011.10.16 - 12:04 pm

        I’ve checked a few times a day, but the Umpa Lumpas that are in aren’t releasing the body.

  119. #335 by AgapeLove on 2011.10.16 - 3:04 am

    Oh sorry, I should have read the post below mine before posting. I see you have been doing that . I guess great minds think alike! 🙂

  120. #336 by AgapeLove on 2011.10.16 - 3:02 am

    I was wondering if maybe making everyone log off once a day like you used to do when you did the daily maintenance would give others a chance to get on 🙂

    • #337 by _Taz on 2011.10.16 - 11:26 am

      They actually are logging people off now lol, to give others a chance.

  121. #338 by Francis_7 on 2011.10.16 - 2:35 am

    Waking up at this awful hour so I can log Virtual_Vikki in to test out some Porta Funs (one of the few products we were unable to test earlier) – Woah 4:30 am and the server is already full! I would say you are all crazy, but then again I was up at the same time too : ) Must be a lot of fellow There addict out there.. or with alarm clocks or something! Well back to bed ‘zzzz

    • #339 by WizardK on 2011.10.16 - 6:33 am

      I Was in there today and i cant find my one seater buggy or eather one of my porta zones one was buggys and other was paint ball just wondering if you mean same thing

      • #340 by Sleestak on 2011.10.16 - 9:50 am

        i found my paintball portafun zone, it took a while because all the folders were gone, but it was there.

      • #341 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 10:06 am

        We knew the one-seater “bugged buggies” would be either altered or removed from a previous update. Your PortaFuns may be items that aren’t loaded on the server yet; I don’t recall seeing many of those in world, so they may have been way, way down the list of stuff — or may be subject to a specific bug. Best send e-mail to feedback, just in case.

      • #342 by Francis_7 on 2011.10.16 - 11:40 am

        Yes, Portafuns were portable funzones / PAZ’s. I think I have all three types (Paintball, Buggy, and Party) but have not been able to log in the avatar which has them yet. Perhaps in a few days. So yours are missing? The one seater issue was talked about at length a few cool posts by Mr. Wilson ago. My one seater, like many, was a bug, and has reverted back to the original developer version (as a stubby buggy). Here was my idea about the one seaters. I bet you could look back through the blog responses till you saw the below preview picture:

    • #343 by That Guy on 2011.10.16 - 7:35 am

      Haha, same here. I give up on trying to log in, I’ll just wait until the grand opening.

      • #344 by Geoschroy on 2011.10.17 - 9:47 am

        Actually there were 4 types of portafuns i had trialed them all quite a few times 🙂 they were : A a bike zone B a buggy zone C a paintball zone and D a party zone or a portable There Home

    • #345 by David H on 2011.10.16 - 7:22 pm

      You realise it isn’t 4:30am everywhere in the world?

  122. #346 by Candiie Koated on 2011.10.16 - 2:27 am

    Michael do you guys accept Visa?? please reply back.

    • #347 by thereuser on 2011.10.16 - 7:23 am

      Paypal does… and they will be using paypal if their original plans are still in place.

  123. #348 by Lela on 2011.10.16 - 12:46 am

    Thank you for the progress report. Would it be useful for us to post issues? Then maybe we could find the similarities ourselves and perhaps even find some of the solutions.

  124. #349 by BuzLtBeer on 2011.10.16 - 12:20 am

    Has anyone thought about deciding on the next MAB?

  125. #350 by Sniperbait has left the building on 2011.10.15 - 10:54 pm

    Rundown on issues i and others have come across: We each thought it was just us till it came up in a discussion and thanks to more people being aloud in were able to confirm this is a bigger issue. Cars that we bought with paints or had prepped for sale in the old THERE are no longer such. A fresh blank copy of cars is in file but the paint, wheels and such are gone. in searching to see if they had just been seperated that is a negative.. they are gone. Also I was able to log in under another of my accounts as were a few others and we each checked same things to see if it was a mixup, lasp of memory and nope. Engine upgrades for instance that some had gotten like I had a suv with blue paint with engine 3 and other added stuff for wheeles and bumper are gone. Blank suv cop no parts to be found. To some this will be no biggy but some of us had very old non replaceable items. Another issue found is ghost avies. Teleporting sometimes would render the ones being teleported invisible. I have not had the black box like many, I have had no use of it at all instead. Also, avie has now a stiff neck. Cannot look up or down and around. Was like being in a neckbrace. Shoutcast seems to be going bonkers and the scrolls/brochures. Not sure if it was due to everyone trying to get in lol. We created a mid sized portazone hood with us building everything we had in file that would fit to see if any issues. Still some problems with if you drop a item and realize it isn’t in the right place of being able to pick it up and replace it. I rented a THERE house for did not see the message on waiting, but if in getting it, testing it and it works or I found issues, is better than to not and have one later 🙂 To any are do not know what i am referring to on engine types. At one point you could buy different engine upgrades for your vehicles. 1 2 and 3. Was a nice feature. The suv i have which is lacking was always a good bit faster than most others unless they had one. We would clock the races and would always make those who didn’t know about it wonder how we won if starting a bit after everyone else. lol So hope to see this fixed for some of us invested quite a bit in them and are counted important. On the picture: We do all need to be thankful for even if you live in a trailer you still have it far better than that there. To many times I think we get in such a rush and have to have have have that we fail to recall about anything but ourselves. When was the last time you took time to help someone in need, or visit your family, or for some even leave your house to take your kids to an event. As much as I enjoy games I try to keep in mind that family comes before any game or any type of amusement. those that have been spending hrs upon hrs just clicking? Please use the time better than this.. your kids will remember later.. your spouse will too… and you will with regrets on things you wished you could do. So instead, try here and there and if no luck, come back later. But the best is waiting for then there is no major issues we hope, and an ability to log in as you please. I am posting the issue here this time for some have thought it has been all play, and it has not. My wife and i have worked as a team in testing stuff and yes we have had some fun, i like to get slung across screen lol, but alot is repeated redos and are you kidding mes lol My wife and I are guilty as any on the clicking but i cannot see how some have set for hrs and hrs doing it. i have a mouse that the button broke but it is the best mouse ever. I replaced the button and spring with a rubber solid valve stem and put a nail through it to make it where the suction shape at bottom would create effect of a shock and a nail through the top with head cut off. i can guarantee you will either have a tough finger or quit clicking then lol. and no I could easily replace it, but have not found a comparible mouse. Some things just aren’t made as good anymore. Welp theres my chatter and ratter for the day.

    Time is to short and not on our side, so live it well with a smile so others will remember you and your journeys mile.

    • #351 by Sniperbait drives the car up the wall on 2011.10.16 - 11:34 am

      The list is growing of folks with paint missing and engines off the prepped cars. please be making sure to post folks so that it can get fixed. if you don’t post or report it then the seriousness of how widespread it is cannot be addressed. i have seen quite a few that said they didn’t have the time to report or didn’t in quote feel like it and yet there inventory was jacked, they were moaning about avie problems yet would not do what they were able to get in world to do.. TEST, REPORT, POST, and see if others are having same issue. We can’t expect TEAM Phoenix to be able to fix something is we do not let them know what is going on. If you don’t want to post or report due to shyness, or privacy, all you got to do is put a phony name in the comment area or give the problem to a fellow tester so they can report it. i personally want a working THERE in all reguards, not a broken one even if it means a longer wait. Being in a rush or just accepting so you can have it back means only issues later on down the line. Thinking that oh there are plenty reporting a problem could lead to there actually being none. thanks.

      We can’t expect others to do what we are expected to do ourselves.

      • #352 by knighthawk101 on 2011.10.17 - 7:03 am

        Would be HAPPY to test and report but “I CAN”T GET ON” ugh… and it seems, unless I’ve misinterpreted, That I’ve been soundly “spoken to” about repeatedly trying to log on.

  126. #353 by Sam on 2011.10.15 - 9:45 pm

    MW can u give us like 2 days after u have officially opened to allow people to transfer stuff from other avis so that they dont have to pay for it ?

  127. #354 by That Guy on 2011.10.15 - 9:27 pm

    What is the “check your name” error that I get sometimes when I’m trying to log in?

    Do I need to check myself before I wreck myself? lol

    • #355 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.16 - 8:51 am

      It means your name or password is wrong, you might have to reset your password if you name is spelled right.

    • #356 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 10:03 am

      I’ve seen that once or twice; I think it’s a different message resulting from a more severe form of the “full AVman server” that’s giving the “full world” messages. Essentially, in this case you’re getting an error that results in (best guess) loss of one or more characters in you username or password when they’re transmitted to the AVman to log you in, instead of getting good login information but being over quota for that AVman.

  128. #357 by BaphNagi on 2011.10.15 - 7:59 pm

    Made it in world this afternoon after about 2 hours of trying, and was only in for about 15orso minutes before getting a message sayin “We will now log everyone off to give those still trying a chance to get in for a while!!” or somfin to that effect…

    GOOD PLAN!! It is my opinion this should be done every couple3 hours or so during the test period!!

    Although when I did get in with another avie, the first 10 minutes I could not walk away from the landin spot on the welcome walkway without rubberbanding back.. Annoyin as this was, it did give me a chance to get my webcam microphone to work in there, so my avies will now have voice! 🙂

    …..BaphNagi is thinkin it shant be long now…..

    • #358 by Sarah Monroe on 2011.10.16 - 4:26 am

      OMG that happends to me to !

    • #359 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.10.16 - 6:26 am

      You guys should probably check out your router settings as mentioned in MW’s previous blog post.

      B_A_B_S had the same problem the first couple days and found that nasty option on the router settings page that when turned off would clear up the lag. Good luck!

    • #360 by DirectX (dx) on 2011.10.16 - 11:43 am

      I’ve been spending a lot of time in world, and let me assure you peoples that everything is coming along very nicely. Only over the past few days has this bug taken it’s aim, but it’s not a free-thinking virus. It’s a bug, meaning in this case, a piece of code which was placed in existing code to do something new, and is not splicing harmoniously. The implementation is necessary according to staff, and my guesstimate is that we’ll all be forgetting this horrible new nightmare soon enough. Patience…. lol….. obviously staff was taking care not to get too many people in too fast, in such an event. Obviously they understand our excitement and impatience and may have actually dropped that latest ‘slew’ of GP3D’s into the world a bit too soon after all. Hence the reason, unfortunately, that with the latest slew being much larger than the previous, fresh GP3D’s are experiencing this (World is ‘full’) issue whereas the bug was not yet a factor previously for the few of us. (Good to see some of the ‘flat-trackers’ back in world now too, btw). ‘tu Hang in there peeps. lol.

      PS: I thought the recycling (knocking everyone out of world from time to time) was an excellent and innovative ‘idea, actually. It would be nice to do that once an hour, while world is limited, to clear away the people who finally get in and don’t want to leave for fear of not being able to get back in, so they go AFK! Okay… maybe boot us all once every 30 minutes? Nevertheless, good thinking in my opinion.

      • #361 by Sarah Monroe on 2011.10.16 - 11:51 pm

        ok i’m still really confused on how to check my router settings….

      • #362 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.10.17 - 5:25 pm

        When I was helping B_A_B_S sort out the issue here, I looked up the router brand and model number on our internet service providers website and found the online user manual for it. I browsed through it a bit and found the proper address to type into my internet explorer browser to access the router. Usually a router home page will then prompt you for a loggin and password which would have been set up on installation of the unit (ours was default fortunately). If you don’t know what the loggin name and password is, or if it’s not default, then you’ll have to call your isp to find out/have it reset. Once into the router settings menu I found that in addition to the router firewall being active (which is good lol) that there was another option that was turned on called “ip flood detection”. After checking what this option actually does, I disabled it temporarily for B_A_B_S to test it in world to see if it made a difference. She had no other lag problems after that so we saved the settings and lived happily ever after!

        Here is an example link for the isp router setup page (Charter)

  129. #363 by imsfan on 2011.10.15 - 7:35 pm

    A few problems I’ve ran into are: No enviromental controls in my portazones, black bar atop my shortcutbar, and some serious lag around certain areas of Northern Motu Motu and Cangrejo. Card tables work fine, some issues were found with six sided die and flipping coin, no ‘hug emote.
    Other than that so far so good DX9 looks great!

    • #364 by Greenie on 2011.10.16 - 12:02 am

      Hi imsfan, I found my environmental controls via the This Place tab and up to about This Place. It worked for me a couple/few hours ago. I hope it will for you as well.

      • #365 by imsfan on 2011.10.16 - 11:23 am

        The browser window that comes up was just blank, and after I cleared my caches all was good:) TY

    • #366 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 3:44 am

      Interesting. Environment control apparently is working for Orielle’s PAZ at the old Avie Sacrifices location (top of Snow Top, on Comet); it’s snowing like all hell up there. It’d be interesting (when you can next manage to log in) to check with another avatar to see if the environment in your PAZ is really not changing, or if you’re just not seeing it. FWIW, I did note, when I left the New Avie Sacrifice PAZ (which, BTW, has a couple tables of what looks like a new game — at least one I haven’t previously seen) that it took quite a long time for the snow to let up, suggesting that it was rather slow changing from one environment to another.

    • #367 by thereuser on 2011.10.16 - 7:24 am

      Weren’t there older PAZes that had no environment? Or am I remembering that wrong?

      • #368 by Greenie on 2011.10.16 - 8:20 am

        Paz environments will not override some zone environments. I cannot remember right now which. I’m not in world to check. If I get in again I will.

        My paz rained just as it should.

        Make sure that you have enabled environments in your THERE customize panel.

      • #369 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 10:01 am

        The older PAZ I own were all upgraded automatically when environment controls were added to PAZ, if I recall correctly (haven’t had a chance to put out any of my PAZ; spent all the time the two times I’ve gotten in either starting to organize my inventory and Favorites, or “testing” vehicle operation). It’s possible the really, really old “CazPaz” (10×10 with free refills) didn’t get that upgrade; I’ve never owned one of those (they were fantastically expensive in auctions last time I checked).

      • #370 by Greenie on 2011.10.16 - 5:24 pm

        My caz paz had environments like the others if I remember correctly.
        Someone that is in world will have to check on the current status of that.

  130. #371 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.15 - 7:27 pm

    Hi everyone,
    This question was posted last Thursday and somehow I missed it.
    SaltySilver asked me: “How can you suggest to give special benefits to one person and cut all others off?”
    A simple question that deserves an answer.
    Billy was in game, with his Paz’s about 18 to 24 months before you guys first logged into world. From the standpoint of tenure, motive and TBucks spent, it’s NO contest.
    No one wants you or Bumpin to be “cheated” out of your Paz’s, just to move them out of the “center” area of Zephyr, so more people can enjoy a “clutter” free zone.
    You guys can build to your hearts content, on the periphery, and make them as “unique” as they were before There closed.
    As someone else said, “this looks like a win, win situation”!
    The Zephyr Beagle,

    • #372 by SaltySilver on 2011.10.16 - 2:01 am

      Hi Snoopy, and everyone else
      So what you are saying is, that Billy has spent more money then some people and was in zephyr first. So he gets to get his place back? Maybe the thought of WildBilly coming back to game was not considered before starting this campaign platform.
      Can’t others have pazs around the tower with nothing on them? Why don’t we try to see that happens to Zephyr on its own.
      “The win win situation” would be to let Zephyr be itself and Billy to have his 50×50 in front like always.

      • #373 by migman on 2011.10.16 - 9:27 am

        I get so sick of seeing how some people think others should have more rights than the rest of us.This is a new version of there like it or not.Because you think you spent more money or been in game longer you should have special privileges or benefits.And on the 5th month MW created all avies equal.Deal with it and as the Man has said Let The Great Land Grab Begin.

      • #374 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.10.16 - 3:25 pm

        Zephyr is already a mess “on its own.” There are so many empty places in world to do creative things; why take over a spot that has already been created? I don’t care how long anyone has been anywhere. They don’t OWN the world.

      • #375 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.10.16 - 7:57 pm

        I`d like to know if MW has been to zephyr? i know my pazes are not in the way! all 4 are on the sides and whats wrong with having a nice place in zephyr to play every kinda card game There has? It`s very easy to drive around zephyr right now, And Wendy50 I watched you run around zephyr today and how the hell can you say, Zephyr is already a mess ” on it`s own ” So are you saying even without pazes Zephyr is a mess?and wendy your right we dont own the world and nobody ever said we did! It`s MW`s world and he was the first to let people put down pazes there. It`s driving me nutz all the people who DONT go or hangout in zephyr Trying to change it. It is a BIG world and this is where alot of us live and we like zephyr the way it is, Just so you All know the lag will always be there for all of you who dont hang there and who has bad internet or computers, nomatter where are pazes are in zephyr the lags NOT going away, So leave Zephyr, zephyr its not your home its ours from what i see there only two people that live in zephyr that want it changed is a dog and his redhead sidekick, we need all zephyr`s people in game so they have a say so also. Snoopy why do you only say you and Bumpin when your talking to salty theres more then just us in zephyr, We know you dont like us and the Snipers and we feel the same about you to, I think this is why your pushing so hard to change things in zephyr because your not that liked. People talk to you but some of the dont really like you and iam talking big players. Even tho is your home to. You have to like someone and then it ok for them to have a paz, whatever.

      • #376 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.16 - 8:10 pm

        “I`d like to know if MW has been to zephyr?”

        Doesn’t matter if I have or not. Someone tried to pull this on Thumdar. Don’t try it here. Seriously.

      • #377 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.17 - 2:42 am

        Hi everyone,
        It looks like the old adage is true, If you give a person enough rope ……..
        The Zephyr Beagle

      • #378 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.10.17 - 1:56 pm

        Bump, I WAS running around in Zephyr, being disappointed at all the big ugly signs (“if you want sacred, go to church” for example).
        And look at your words: ” zephyr its not your home its ours”
        I beg your pardon? It’s not my home??? It’s part of There, remember?

        Not trying to be ugly here, but look at your own words…

      • #379 by OdileS on 2011.10.17 - 4:27 pm

      • #380 by OdileS on 2011.10.17 - 4:28 pm

      • #381 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.10.18 - 10:24 am


        “redhead sidekick”

        um.. since when have I become someone’s sidekick? Last I knew I was entitled to an opinion. I haven’t even said “boo” to you, in blogs, forums, or in game. In fact, I’ve been kind and cordial even tho we have a difference of opinion.

        Disagreeing with you doesn’t quantify becoming someone’s “sidekick”. Dragging me into your rude mudslinging hissyfit is being flat out mean to someone who held no ill will toward you, and kinda makes you look like a bully.

    • #382 by xSnoopy on 2011.10.16 - 7:45 am

      Hi Salty,
      What I am doing is comparing what Bumpin42 has said, in the past, both here and on Thumdar, about why he deserves to be the very first one considered when it comes to putting his Paz’s, where he had them before There closed.
      We have been “friends” since the first day you logged into game. I know you much better than to think you have had a loss of memory about how many Paz’s Billy once had, the reason he placed them around the Tower and what he has paid for them over the years.
      True, we have had our differences, but PLEASE, don’t patronize me. I may be old but there are some things I remember like it was yesterday.
      If the verdict comes down to leave the center part of Zephyr sacred, lets ALL just move on and enjoy what we might never have had.
      “You guys can build to your hearts content, on the periphery, and make them as “unique” as they were before There closed.
      As someone else said, “this looks like a win, win situation”!
      The Zephyr Beagle,

      • #383 by SaltySilver on 2011.10.16 - 11:06 am

        I’m not sure why you are saying “don’t patronize me”? What have I posted that is “treating you with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority”?
        I have read WildBilly’s post on what happened. Sorry, but tenure, motive and TBucks spent is not a valid argument. In my opinion, it is still a moot point.
        If Zephyr becomes a “sacred spot”, MW will put a zone around it. So, more or less, it will be like the old CosmoGirl Village. No one will be able to pull out card tables, seating arrangements, poll or message signs, or decorate for holidays (or as others would think, trash the place).
        So, in my humble opinion, there are 2 options.
        1. Let Zephyr be Zephyr and let the people work it out (and I’m sure the people can come together and work things out).
        2. Have MW stick a zone over Zephyr and make it “sacred” like the New Phoenix Park (and Zona, Paiz, Fisher, Karona, Egypt, Sutters Camp and other GREAT places you can visit and not have a paz in).

        I vote for #1

      • #384 by Dean Caballero ( Bumpin42 ) on 2011.10.19 - 4:08 am

        Does somebody want to show me where i said i HAVE TO BE THE VERY FIRST ONE CONSIDERED WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING PAZES DOWN??? sounds like snoops talking for people again, I said i wanted my spots back. I never said very first one considered when it comes to putting pazes down.and Tig Sry but you always have and always will fallow snoop with his likes and dislikes. Thats just the way its been. Tig I really don`t have a problem with you.

      • #385 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.10.19 - 11:34 am


        As several others have stated, I said my piece, then left it alone. WildBilly kept the center open to keep bratty people from tossing pazes down and blocking up the main area we use for shooting. I’d even be happy with building inbetween the spas up to the ramps. It’s primarily WildBilly’s old spots that concern me.

        But that is neither here, nor there. My problem is when I’m dragged kicking and screaming into a lil kid fight you are openly having with someone else by claiming I follow said individual and lump me in with em. The only people you will find me *following* these days are my victims whilst they slide down to dune valley via the Paintball Express.

        (Or atleast try, with the lag these days kinda hard to say)

      • #386 by Grace Summers on 2011.10.21 - 10:27 am

        … I can’t stop laughing at how worked up you are all getting.

  131. #387 by JS on 2011.10.15 - 7:16 pm

    That is a shame they are living like that in Cambodia. I may go to Cambodia someday. It could be a life-changing experience.

    Also are we beating a dead horse when we try signing in? It says the serverse are busy. Is there a chance we can get in when someone logs out?
    Or basically you shut it down and we don’t have a chance? Please let us know so we aren’t being foolish trying to log in. Thank you.

    • #388 by jimony on 2011.10.15 - 8:00 pm

      I think they need the servers loaded to the extent that they allow so they can test them, so keep trying whenever you’re available.

    • #390 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.16 - 3:39 am

      From what Michael wrote earlier, I understand that they need the world “full” at their 50 avie limit, and people doing stuff (not just standing around organizing their inventory, though some of that is probably valuable testing as well), so they can continue swatting bugs, but they don’t benefit by a level of login attempts that becomes virtually a distributed denial of service attack. So, I’d interpret Jimony’s comment as “go ahead and attempt to login from time to time, but don’t sit there and mash the button a thousand times each time you try”. Or in other words, if you don’t get in with a few clicks, go do something else and try again later (and “later” probably should be at least fifteen minutes).

      • #391 by jimony on 2011.10.17 - 2:32 am

        Thank you, ImageMaker. I certainly didn’t intend to make it sound like everyone should be constantly punching the Login button, just trying to explain what I think is the reason for opening it to so many people instead of inviting in just a few more at a time.
        With only a few hundred invitees, it would be unlikely to have the world full enough to test it.

        I was suggesting that people understand why it is being done this way, and not get frustrated because there are hundreds/thousands of people allowed to login but only a few allowed on at a time. Please don’t keep trying second after second, but don’t give up totally; if you do login you are helping. If you attack your Enter key it isn’t helping. I hope I have that right and am not encouraging an action that is detrimental to There’s progress.

  132. #392 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.15 - 6:21 pm

    Well, unexpectedly, I got in again for a half hour or so earlier this evening (EDT). I was able to sacrifice myself from Snow Top a couple more times (we can use all the sacrifices we can get, right?), hoverboard a bit, fly my hoverboat around (haven’t lost my touch — at one point, I flew into the archway of the Saja “temple”, where the map teleport lands, turned the boat, and flew out again, without landing and with only the gentlest of bumps on the wall), and buggy up and down Snow Top a few times, before a Seg Vio kicked me out. I noted, after the client had locked (failed to exit cleanly after the Seg Vio), and I was stuck in full screen mode and had to use Task Manager, that the client’s memory usage in DX8 had climbed to 503,000 KB — that is, around half a gigabyte. I’m thinking the login isn’t the only, or even the biggest memory leak in the client. But then, that’s part of what’s being tested, right? 🙂

    • #393 by alexandria3178 on 2011.10.19 - 7:08 am

      I experienced the same thing in my hour this morning. I was organizing my fave places this time. So I was teleporting all over the place. Eache teleport appeared to add about 50Mb to the client usage, and each transfer of a save place to a sub folder added about 1-2Mb. When I finally closed my client, it was using 1.15Gb. of memory I was using the DX 9 client and windows 7 64bit with a dual core Intel processor. Things just got so slow when teleporting. and moving things.

  133. #394 by Lashanda on 2011.10.15 - 4:49 pm

    I’m so happy 2 know my home is coming back,I started in 2004 i miss it so much it became a big part of my life we r

  134. #395 by invu34 on 2011.10.15 - 4:31 pm

    another update from me. I have reinstalled Despite MW warning that nothing would change. Just so you all know he was right LOL. I still have no voice, no changeme, no toolbars, no notifications of any kind, and I can not bring up my buddies list. Another thing I have learned is I can not be summonsed any where. I also learned that it is still taking awhile for inventory to load. Lightningbolt9 can doing everything I can’t however he can not access his things or it boots him out. I am able to build without any trouble so far. Anyone have any suggestion of what either one of us might try? oh and let’s give some pluses here as well, I can walk, I can run, I can drive, I can fly. OMG I BELIEVE I AM HOME! LOL

    • #396 by Kev on 2011.10.15 - 5:22 pm

      Hey invu, I kinda had the same problem as you. As in, my ‘ChangeMe’ and toolbars wouldn’t open. Not even notifications and Buddy List. But what I realized from MW’s post later, was that all of the above problems were related to Flash (It is mentioned in “Known Blemishes”). Hence, I realized my Flash could be out-dated. I use Google Chrome as my default browser and it had the latest version of Flash installed. What I didn’t know was that my Internet Explorer didn’t have flash installed at all. So I downloaded Flash from my Internet Explorer Browser. And It did the trick! ChangeMe worked ( It had the black bars around..but hey at least I can change clothes!). Buddy list came up too.

      So try downloading/updating flash on your Internet Explorer browser and hopefully it should solve your problem.

    • #397 by Greenie on 2011.10.15 - 7:12 pm

      As I understand it, when you first return to THERE 3D, all of your items are in MY THINGS. When you click on your My Things tab, it calls for EVERYTHING in your My Things, all at once.

      It was suggested to me to go into your organizer and sort your things into a basic set of folders so that your MY Things doesn’t call up everything right off.

      After I did this, the freezes were all but eliminated.
      I hope this helps you too.

    • #398 by thereuser on 2011.10.16 - 7:30 am

      I saw this as well… like Kev said… download Flash standalone… I was using chrome and had never installed flash on my machine (since chrome has its own sandboxed flash player).

  135. #399 by dakotaman on 2011.10.15 - 4:18 pm

    All the hard work from Team Phoenix gives me pause to wonder if any of them ever sleep?? (Maybe the rumors of borg-like regeneration bays at Makena have some substance). Regardless, we all need to keep in mind the dedication of this team when we complain about hours of ‘button-mashing’.

    I have been able to login a couple of times to keep testing for ongoing bugs. Sadly, I noticed that some of the ‘lucky few’ who got into world have been spending their time laying out as many pazs in prime locations as they could. I sincerely hope that all pazs are cleared from the world before we open, in fairness to the majority of people who have yet to be able to log in. It’s a big world and we all need to play fairly. Without a level playing field, it appears that the ‘land grab’ in certain popular building areas will be over before the majority have even been able to see their avie in world. As a GP3D, I have not laid a single paz in world, except for testing and plan to leave the world in it’s clean state for opening. I sincerely hope that Team Phoenix feels the same way and follows through on clearing pazs prior to opening.

    That said, I hope that those of you who were able to log in have acquired the same sense of excitement that the GP3Ds have shared. And the belief that this time, There will become a prosperous and permanent world. Welcome home!!


    • #400 by jimony on 2011.10.15 - 5:37 pm

      MW has said;
      “…, we’ll probably open the world to everyone who could participate in There Betas before to see how we do with lots of people in world. Everyone will be allowed to drop stuff, etc, but chances are we’re going to pick it all up again before we open. Seriously, don’t think that if you’ve dropped a PAZ in this period it’s going to stay there.”


      “Please don’t intentionally drop stuff that you KNOW we’re just going to have to clean up. (Other than for temporary testing purposes, of course.) We assume that, at least in certain areas, we probably WILL pick up pretty much everything you’ve dropped before we open the world completely, and the Great Land Grab begins.”

      I do wish he would say they will definitely pick up all PAZes that were dropped by testers before GLG begins.

      • #401 by Kayleigh Lace on 2011.10.16 - 5:41 am

        I so very thankfully got on earlier this morning – shortly after the servers came up. I dropped a paz I did not pick up! However – it’s one of those rare little tiny pazzes that get the free 4 hour refills – so it should be gone by now… 😀

        I got a seg vio and couldn’t log back on anyway to pick it up – so thankfully I just dragged the little on out. 🙂

    • #402 by migman on 2011.10.15 - 6:02 pm

      This is part of what was posted in last update(Almost Heaven).
      (Please don’t intentionally drop stuff that you KNOW we’re just going to have to clean up. (Other than for temporary testing purposes, of course.) We assume that, at least in certain areas, we probably WILL pick up pretty much everything you’ve dropped before we open the world completely, and the Great Land Grab begins.)
      So you can pretty much bet that most all pazes will be picked up when the world opens to all.

  136. #403 by WizardK on 2011.10.15 - 3:21 pm

    Thanks I Will lay off log in button for a wile only thing i worrie about is loosin my fun zone till i get tbucks its for rent but i have the deed in my invintory keep up good work i was in there for a wile today its better then ever my buggy went like a sumbeach no problems at all only thing my finger is sore now P.S. i dident think any of us had chance to be a GP to test world but i seen a old friends name in thair Yankeeinthesouth then i knew there did a fair pick thanks for bringing there back

  137. #404 by daniel on 2011.10.15 - 2:41 pm

    i hope i can get the chance to log in at least once if for only 5 minits by the end of sunday. but if i dont i under stand since i only have a silver fun pass.

  138. #405 by SaltySilver There on 2011.10.15 - 1:30 pm

    MW how do you like my new log in high tech gadget. 😀

    • #406 by WizardK on 2011.10.15 - 3:22 pm

      This is to Funny im still laffen thanks

    • #407 by jimony on 2011.10.15 - 4:48 pm

      I think this is the original version of Giggles.

    • #408 by Sniperbait has left the building on 2011.10.15 - 10:57 pm

      I so want one of them birds!!!

    • #409 by PcDoc on 2011.10.16 - 2:15 am

      hahahaha lmao

    • #410 by Francis_7 on 2011.10.20 - 2:32 pm

      Oh no! You discovered the secret of my horribly devious, but somehow cleverly efficient “Social Skill” bot!

  139. #411 by William Grass on 2011.10.15 - 12:47 pm

    Trying show patience here each time I see “server full”. but I would like to get in. oh well. I just hope it gets better in time (short time.)

  140. #412 by Lacus on 2011.10.15 - 12:28 pm

    I think everyone has done a great job with world, iv been able to get in a few time’s mostly early morning. Done alot of exploring though my avatar is nothing but spikes. I have tried using the DX9 and as soon as I open the client, it get’s an error. OGL I just seg when I log in. I really think it has to do with my laptop and maybe its graphics card, but no biggy as long as I can see to explore it does not bother me. I plan to upgrade to a pc soon so we shall see, Or it could just be a bug none the less im just so happy to be able to log in and heck iv waited this long, whats waiting long to be able to see my av. Awesome job everyone you rock!!!!

  141. #413 by Lynn88588 on 2011.10.15 - 11:19 am

    Just want to say a big Thankyou to all staff for bringing our beloved THERE back. Have been very patient till this morning tried to get on and found I got on quite easily. Stayed on long enough for a good explore and tryout of all vehicles and even managed a round of games too. Had no issues at all, even with Aquafresh’s driving skills. Ie into trees and houses regular, lol. I was lucky and experienced no lag or even seg vios. I managed to choose to log out at a time that suited me, and for that I am grateful. I hope everyone gets the chance to log in and I for one will try to be patient again to let others in to enjoy our world again. I know its been hard for us all, but we are getting there and we are close I am sure. Thanks again and I will see everyone in there soon. 😀

  142. #414 by Frazer on 2011.10.15 - 10:31 am

    Are we allowed to log in to There central while being underaged? (I’m 17, 18 in two months) I want to login and change some of my information but I don’t want to change anything till I’m sure I’m allowed.

    Thanks for the help in advance.

    • #415 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.15 - 12:28 pm

      As I understand it, you can only retrieve your avatar if you’re 18 or older, and if you haven’t retrieved your avatar, you can’t log into There Central. So, I’d expect the answer to be “no”. On the bright side, for you, you’ll probably be able to do both within a few weeks of the system going fully live, if not about the same time (my own personal prediction, based on no knowledge but a general understanding of how programming projects tend to expand their time frames, has been that we’ll all be in by Christmas, and that’s looking good enough to hold to).

      • #416 by Frazer on 2011.10.15 - 1:17 pm

        Thanks 😀

  143. #417 by studly from there on 2011.10.15 - 10:27 am

    i would expect more than 50, what happens if you do fix any bugs with 50 and 100 more come in. Like others said before, not all of use are able to log into our computers and be online for 23 hours a day. 1 hour is to poop and eat.

    Also while we are taking, where is the mac client?????

    LOL, Love ya MW

    • #418 by jimony on 2011.10.15 - 7:30 pm

      When there were only GP3Ds logging in they couldn’t get more than a few to be logged in at the same time so they couldn’t really test avie server loads, they could only test the problems any one or two avatars may have at any time, without regard to load on the servers. By letting hundreds or thousands try to login at the same time, they are able to do what the GP’s couldn’t do because all the GP’s couldn’t be logged in at the same time. With everyone fighting for a login, they are pretty much guaranteed a constant stream of load on the servers they can test and increase as they need.

    • #419 by thereuser on 2011.10.16 - 7:32 am

      You can eliminate some of the the 1 hour with adult diapers!

  144. #420 by LeeLee on 2011.10.15 - 10:09 am

    2 days ago, I went There, and it worked just fine… extremely well! Thank you for the update and will do! 🙂

    • #421 by shanghei on 2011.10.16 - 10:53 am

      did you DRRRRIIIIIIIVEEEEEE !!!!!!!

      • #422 by LeeLee on 2011.10.18 - 12:33 pm

        YESSSSSSS!!! It was wonderful! lol

  145. #423 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.10.15 - 9:45 am

    I left so some one else could get in.
    sassydancerGP3D give some one else a chance to see world.

    • #424 by soede on 2011.10.15 - 7:35 pm

      Good job Sassy! As much as I’d like to be in world too, it really is the time to give other people a chance back in!
      …Plus the button is not working for me =p

    • #425 by OdileS on 2011.10.18 - 3:13 am

      Wow…why name names?????? WOW…Maybe try IMing the person instead??? On this blog you put names??? hmmmmm

    • #426 by OdileS on 2011.10.18 - 3:19 am

      rofl rofl now this is too much…I was getting on to Cyndi Yonkers for naming SassyDancerGP3D as not giving someone else a chance to get in THERE…when reading a bit below, I now see that Cyndi IS Sassy rofl rofl ….my bad!!!!! this is to funny! well…hugs and scratch what i just SAID!!!!!
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs out with a blushing face to find a corner to sit in ….now where is that Dunce Hat???

  146. #427 by Orielle Thereian on 2011.10.15 - 9:19 am

    Oh dear, I think she wanted you to delete this message, not approve it…..

    • #428 by Orielle Thereian on 2011.10.15 - 9:21 am

      Nevermind, I see it did get deleted after I saw it but before I could comment.

      I already warned her. Feel free to delete these two messages as well….

  147. #429 by silver on 2011.10.15 - 9:11 am

    I logged in for 1/2 an hour today, but I couldn’t see my Avatar. Everything said it was loading but didn’t !!! I could move around and see the landscapes. I teleported with no problems, still there was no Avatar or inventory. I know it will take more time to smash the bugs out of There. Thanks MW and team.

  148. #430 by GreenAngel on 2011.10.15 - 8:46 am

    Yeah,!!! I feel it in mine bones, we are home again, ty

  149. #431 by _Taz on 2011.10.15 - 8:21 am

    The picture really is sad but interesting! Good shot. Thanks for the update when there’s so much pressure.

  150. #432 by SaltySilver There on 2011.10.15 - 8:05 am

    • #433 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.10.15 - 9:34 am

      so cute salty!!!

  151. #434 by spot751 on 2011.10.15 - 7:58 am

    Just so you know it did take me 2 days to get in for 2 hours… so don’t feel bad if you cant get in… Being in Australia, I tried to time it just after maintenance at 3:30am and got lucky that’s all

  152. #435 by alexandria3178 on 2011.10.15 - 7:51 am

    CRAP-HAPPY………….. Server is always full

  153. #436 by Wendy Stoll (Wendy50s) on 2011.10.15 - 7:36 am

    another excellent photograph, and you are so right! We don’t appreciate how good we have it!
    Am no longer trying to log in, haha.

  154. #437 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.15 - 7:21 am

    I got in for a few minutes on Friday morning (EDT) — just long enough to finish the Welcome Walkway and dig through my huge, unorganized list of Favorites to find one near Snow Top/Avie Sacrifices, and throw myself off the highest mountain in the World for the first time in a year and a half. Then I had to log out and go to work, and haven’t been able to get back in since.

    Fifty? FIFTY?! No wonder I can’t get in! I’ll try again around 6:45 AM EDT on Monday… :p

  155. #438 by Giggles523 on 2011.10.15 - 7:04 am

    This is going on the second day I have been trying to get in. I was in There IM with someone who was saying that others were logging on and off all day. Not sure why I’m having so many issues. I have been at this non-stop.

    • #439 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.15 - 1:12 pm

      Hello Giggles,

      I know how bad you want to return home, but please trust that MW and the Team Phoenix are really doing everything possible to get us into game soon. I know you must be anxious to return home but with thousands of members and only 50 spots avaliable you and I along with the others ( thousands) would need to have that perfect timing and that one Opening to slip into game.. lol I have stopped trying to log in.. as its causing issues for the Program..

      please do not loss hope and know you are not alone…

      Smiles and have a great day..,

      GP3D IMAKOS ( Leilani)

  156. #440 by spot751 on 2011.10.15 - 6:59 am

    Had a good play today for about 2 hours before it died… then could not get back in as server was full…. was all running sweet till I went to fisher… after fisher I found it started lagging… my 4th core on the CPU was running max at 100% ram about 60% and still had a pile of bandwidth on the network… I would get lockups now and then, here and there, only 1 or 2 times it rubber banded, tools didn’t want to work to well at times and then I had windows shut the client down as it had stop responding all together…. but Dam it was good wile it lasted, 🙂 had a bit of fun setting up some stuff, hope to get back in there soon and finish what I have started on…

    • #441 by karenga anderson (@MoMoZaLeO) on 2011.10.15 - 11:13 am

      What did you start?

      • #442 by spot751 on 2011.10.15 - 10:17 pm

        Well I don’t have any of my layouts, and the infantry is a mess, (no sub folders, so its all in one dumped mess… so it was re setting up layouts, and sorting out the infantry…

    • #443 by Greenie on 2011.10.17 - 5:28 pm

      “sorting out the infantry”

      You completely lost me.

      Do you have some sort of military paz build? I haven’t seen anything even remotely like that in THERE.
      Is it part of a group that reenacts battles or some such like at a renaissance fair or Civil War reenactment?

      • #444 by spot751 on 2011.10.18 - 7:36 pm

        Yes my team of flying monkeys, we are planning an attack on Microsoft, coz there stupid spell check stuff my words up 😐

  157. #445 by migman on 2011.10.15 - 6:44 am

    It looks like they have it pretty bad.Whats with all the motorcycles?

  158. #446 by seany35 on 2011.10.15 - 6:41 am

    yay i got in for a while everything seemed to work ok was great to see the worls again thanks to all the staff for getting us back home

  159. #447 by miranda on 2011.10.15 - 6:28 am

    My question is: when is it gonna be open for Everybody?

    • #448 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.15 - 1:26 pm

      miranda hello !!

      MW said “Soon”
      Just some humor haha

      I know this waiting is driving me Banana’s but we have to understand they are working their Backsides off trying to fix known issues.

      As MW says and I quote
      ” We’re not going to increase that number until we have some of these issues under control. We know you’re all impatient, but we know you wouldn’t want some of these problems to be there when you all get in.”

      so I think he answered both of our questions on when they will open.

      keep smiling,

      GP3D IMAKOS (Leilani)

  160. #449 by softNdark on 2011.10.15 - 6:11 am

    I spent several minutes looking at the picture, before moving on to read the THERE comments….
    Humans pushing, complaining, disrespecting and the need to Control a piece of the World….. some have so much and others have so little, it’s almost inhumane….
    Clean water and dry place to sleep most would not deny their dog, yet we see this over and over…..

  161. #450 by edward on 2011.10.15 - 6:06 am

    i am running windows 7 and dx9 seems to be working fine i have it set to run at xp service pack 2 instead of 3 dx8 was not working so well

  162. #451 by Hugsie on 2011.10.15 - 6:03 am

    Yes, fortunately all the memory the client app was consuming does seem to clear up rather well once you close the app. At least with windows 7 64bit.

  163. #452 by Mercuria on 2011.10.15 - 5:58 am

    This image makes me thankful for what I have.
    I’m blessed to have a roof over my head, a car, food on the table, clothes, appliances . . . etc.
    I think we forget to appreciate the basic comforts in life when we’re lucky to have them.

    • #453 by CpnBob on 2011.10.15 - 9:03 am

      Mercuria ~ Um … er…. can I come over?
      Hey, that does look like my liveaboard boat!

      • #454 by Mercuria on 2011.10.15 - 9:50 am

        Sure, I’ll share my roof! 😀

  164. #455 by Rhonda aka EmmaJean on 2011.10.15 - 5:53 am

    thanks for the update! I think if i remember right mine was one of the more popular av-mans… so i guess i’ll try again on monday. that the least popular day for playing games. and btw, thanks for the pictures, i love seeing them all. you certainly have traveled around the world. and yes we do have easy by comparison to most of the rest of the population.

  165. #456 by Susan Van Brundt Redlin on 2011.10.15 - 5:52 am

    Hi, I can’t log into the 2D There Central (get the Sorry, servers are full message). I tried to get into the 3D world, too, but no luck. So jealous of those who did get in, even for a minute! I want to hop on my hoverboard and feel the virtual wind in my virtual hair.

    Keep up the good work.

    Jane Austen

    • #457 by jimmy_jaymz on 2011.10.15 - 9:00 am

      Susan, for some reason if you try to log in through the fields at the top of the page at, you get that “servers are full” message. Try logging in to ThereIM and then opening a page like your profile from there. You can then go to There Central. That is how I got in to download the client.

  166. #458 by Tumble_Weed on 2011.10.15 - 5:51 am

    Thanky-You for the update!!

  167. #459 by daniel on 2011.10.15 - 5:49 am

    i stayed up all night clicking log in now. well. until 5 am

  168. #460 by watchlight on 2011.10.15 - 5:49 am

    “The only thing less useful at this point than mashing on the login button 12,000 times a minute is complaining about it. Seriously folks, we’re trying to take this slowly”

    Okay Mr. Wilson, let me just point out, that if you’ve said from the beginning that you only had 50 spaces on the Avman Servers or what you call it, then people wouldn’t try login all the time. We only got noticed that there was a certain limit.
    So don’t bark about it please 😉

  169. #461 by NateTheStar on 2011.10.15 - 5:43 am

    Not sure where I’m supposed to put bugs at, but I did get one where if I minimized from 1920×1200 resolution by using the windows key in Windows 7, I got a seg vio.

  170. #462 by MademoiselleFifi on 2011.10.15 - 5:37 am

    Good update, thank you.

  171. #463 by Cowbellwalken (Mark Behncke) on 2011.10.15 - 5:25 am

    I’ll admit I was a bit impatient, I got in for a bit, my brother even made it in somehow, and we hit up some old haunts. That being said, I’ll take a backseat for now and wait until things are bit more stable. I will say that it was like Christmas (ironic because I went to Frosty), but you seriously made my day even with the brief moment of time I was in.

    I got to hoverboard again… that’s an experience you won’t find anywhere else. Keep up the great work!


    • #464 by knighthawk101 on 2011.10.17 - 7:27 am

      I sure wish there were others like you who would give someone else a chance. Thanks.

  172. #465 by SaltySilver There on 2011.10.15 - 5:09 am

    Amen to that .

  173. #466 by Craig Hartley on 2011.10.15 - 5:05 am

    For those who think that there is a special group. Head over to Thumdar’s forums. All those who would be suspect of getting into the ‘special group’ (not the staff one) have been complaining like spoilt brats that they too can’t get it. Moreover a friend of mine got in and he is as likely to make a short-list as I am to be president of America.

  174. #467 by sugarlipps on 2011.10.15 - 4:46 am

    Can u pick my avie upp and place her where no one is right now… so I can get in …. rofl would be nice and I sit still this time… thanx 4 the look inside..:)

  175. #468 by brainstew on 2011.10.15 - 4:46 am

    I’ve only tried like 15 times over the past day >.< ….but you people never sleep!!!!

  176. #469 by Yarndoll on 2011.10.15 - 4:46 am

    Thanks for the update. I downloaded the new client and only tried ONCE to get in. World is full so I will wait patiently until given the word that all is working well in the world. I have loads of patience so I will share is anyone else needs some. 😉

  177. #470 by invu34 on 2011.10.15 - 4:19 am

    Thanks for the update. I am in right now trying out the DX9, so far everything is the same to me as DX8, but I just began running DX9. I have successfully installed bedican to try to open the voice trainer as nothing else I have tried seems to work. I can hear people and all the sounds wonderfully. My changeme is not working. I have tried to go to the spa to get it to open that way and that did not work as well. There are clearly still some glitches, but nice to see home again!

    • #471 by invu34 on 2011.10.15 - 6:36 pm

      another update…all of my glitches was due to not having flash player! All this time I thought I had it and I didn’t. Google Chrome told me it was installed within their program…so I figured I didn’t need it. However if you use a different browser and install adobe flash player 11 all works. My changeme, voice everything! Hope this helps others!

  178. #472 by Mitchell on 2011.10.15 - 4:09 am

    Thanks for the update.

    Just curious, how will you be doing age verification? I myself am not worried, as I am over 18, I’m just wondering how you will handle it. It seems like a big headache and a big task.

  179. #473 by cindy83 on 2011.10.15 - 3:55 am

    well finally today i got in and i setup my paz thingy and i took out my toys everthing seems to work well there but my avatar is all deformed but i still dont mind lol i just look like a pink milkshake in a blenda lol but i still dont mind and i have a lot stuff in my invtory so i was trying to put them into folders i must have like 20000000 stuff in there at the same time studing for my MSA1 so when i finsh with that i will be able to enjoy our home sweet home i always had faith and hope just a bit blonde when comes to the techy stuff lol ^_^ n thanks for the update too ❤

  180. #474 by RunningHawk on 2011.10.15 - 3:53 am

    Thanks for the update MV 🙂

  181. #475 by JasonMK on 2011.10.15 - 3:39 am

    True words and a good perspective (seriously). So, I will consider myself very fortunate to have a home of a logon screen and stop complaining that i can’t hav eon eof those 50 shiny 3D homes (this i say in jest). Keep up the great work.

  182. #476 by IMAKOS on 2011.10.15 - 3:35 am

    Ok, I will not try to log in until your next update that reads you have opened World.

    you see I can be a nice Person…. 😛

    • #477 by mimi06 on 2011.10.15 - 6:14 pm

      anyone says YOUR not nice can deal with mimi rofl…. big hugz… and I am sorry to say I cant NOT try and log in,… I am so afraid I’ll wake up and this was all a dream rofl……..

  183. #478 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.10.15 - 3:35 am

    ya i got the memory message too and i cannot get in either. my pazes are out oh dear
    sassydancer gp3D

    • #479 by Cyndi Yonkers on 2011.10.15 - 7:44 am

      speaking of pazes, will they be returned to what they were worth after testing?
      sassydancer GP3D oh i finally got in, there are not many ppl here so why is it so hard to get in?

      • #480 by mimi06 on 2011.10.15 - 6:17 pm

        I don’t think we are testing now sassy. BUT I don’t expect a refund as I played alot as well.. FREE..maybe if your thinking you will get one ..might be best to pick your paz’s up when you log out. 🙂

  184. #481 by YankeeintheSouth on 2011.10.15 - 3:32 am

    Thanks for the update! Being one of the first 5 gp’s I’v been in world and have no new issues. So I’m staying off to let whoever take my place and hopefully get their issues fixed. As for the underage thing, I agree 110%.of age. I’m going to throw myself under the bus on this one but if it gets the point across then so be it. I know some turn a blind eye at reporting underage but maybe this will open some eyes. A few years back I was summoned to see a friend (that was just a teenager) that wanted to buy some stuff from me. Asking how she was, she poured everything out to me. She had met this great guy, blah blah blah… but she had a problem. To make a long story short, she met him offline and they were “involved” to the point she thought she was pregnant. If you saw what I did and heard her, this girl was scared out of her mind. Mainly scared what her dad would do and possibly kick her out. Then the guy popped up and wow was I in shock, not that I knew him but also his age, he could of been her dad. With her being on mic I couldnt report him. I couldnt even report to the authorities because they were not in my country. When it comes to underage and There, I’m still haunted by that whole thing. I cringe anytime I see his name. I’v seen so much of this on There, you’d be surprised how common it was. I use to send in reports and scream they should not be in game. lol Seriously, you might hate being the one to report underage but your really protecting them, besides MW point their teens years should be more active….been there done that one to, lol. I for one am extremely happy their restricting it. So please dont think I cant take the game away from them or its not my business…..

    • #482 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 9:30 am

      I totally agree with you Yankee…I too had to deal with a similar thing which happened within THERE world..The kid was 12..the guy was hmmm 40, 50…We had pics that he took of the kid wearing skimpy THERE clothes (that he placed on another website)…
      we also sent in conversations etc…WE HAD to report…and we did….You are totally right in what you say!!!!!…and we did….You are totally right in what you say!!!!!

      • #483 by Sarah Monroe on 2011.10.16 - 4:42 am

        Being and Island Guide I had to deal with similar issues with Minors

  185. #484 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 3:07 am

    Thanks so much for the update. Your explanation about the avman servers and the limitation of avies, helps us to understand a bit more about not being able to get into world so easily…The main thing for us all to remember is: we ARE getting THERE…It’s just a matter of time now….
    The photograph of a houseboat and the way some people in our great world have to survive, is unfortunately a sad existance…But I do have to interject my thoughts here…I lived in Africa for a year, as a 17 year old teenager..(Six months in Nigeria, and six months in Somalia (Before Somalia had its famin) … I remember so vividely my stay during that year…We lived in large duplex type homes, along with other American Families..My father was a Construction Engineer ( not in the military), so it was not the milatary life in a compound…
    I remember spotting a few small strange looking ‘igloo type’ huts situated just behind our house…Small structures with dingy ugly pieces of cloth covering the tops for protection…I think they might have been abandoned, because I remember looking everyday, trying to find people, but never did…These type of images burn into all of our minds, and it is such a reality…but to be able to see some of these living conditions up close, is truely something you just don’t forget…I totally understand your sadness when looking at the houseboat and its peoples way of life…So many of these types of images from Africa are etched forever in my mind….Thank you MW for having a heart for these great photographs you have shown us…I never really commented about them, but each time, found them amazing…
    *RIP dad, you made my one year in africa, the best of my life!

    • #485 by SunnyMusic on 2011.10.15 - 9:02 am

      Yankee, that is heartbreaking, and disgusting. This is the main reason I am 1000% for an 18+ world. That situation, coupled with today’s photo, has made me grateful and somewhat sad.
      I tried a few times to log into world, but stopped. Will wait. I did dream that I was in There last night! LOL!
      Great work Staff, so appreciate your frank and thorough updates. You all are tireless! Hugs!

  186. #486 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 3:06 am


    • #487 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 3:09 am

      You already deleted it..thank you..that was fast…ok..i have put the comment back…

  187. #488 by joseph on 2011.10.15 - 2:35 am

    i wish the people who have been playing forever would log out and give some people who havent even gotten in (like me) a chance :p

  188. #489 by Sandy Wager on 2011.10.15 - 1:31 am

    I am so excited I have butterflies…I am dreaming of a There Christmas 🙂 Thank you Michael and the team for all of your hard work and for keeping us all informed. Communication is excellent. xxx (bikerbich)

  189. #490 by BaphNagi on 2011.10.15 - 1:22 am

    YIKES! I made it in fer a while! Got a little sortin done, a bit of explorin in, and onto the scoreboard in 4th position at Alter’s SleepyK Racetrack!! 😀

    Was on fer about 90-odd minutes, all seemed to work well for me, till I got bounced at 3am.. Morning Maintenence…. owell.. Time fer some sleep anyhoo!!

    Thank-You Team Phoenix for your continued efforts!!

    We gettin a WHOLE LOT closer to being There again!! ”’YAY!

    …..BaphNagi’s patience has just gotten a BIG boost!!…..

  190. #491 by mmmm22222222 on 2011.10.15 - 1:11 am

    This is looking fantastic Michael, keep up the good work and make sure everyone else keeps There alive! I’ll see you all in 10 months time when I can come online! 🙂 Send my wishes to everyone in there for me Michael!

  191. #492 by fulkenstien on 2011.10.15 - 1:05 am

    yay!!!!finally got on for a hot minute.ran voice trainer then maintence began.rofl

  192. #493 by kazza123 on 2011.10.15 - 1:00 am

    HELLLLP MEE PLEASE i had to confirm my email adress but i didnt read it right and i submitted it but the nubers on it was wrong when i looked at it again afer submitting it and i got to confirm it before i can login to there how would i resolve this huge mistake cant see anywhere to change it to my right one which is my old there email adress its still the same one i had before and the one i said was right dont exsist help me please thank you kazza123

  193. #494 by jimuari on 2011.10.14 - 11:59 pm

    I understand that there are only so many getting in per server. My question is is that the number allowed at one time? If someone leaves can someone else go in? If not how long do you antisipate we have to wait to be allowed to enter and reclaim our hoods. Thanks.

  194. #495 by Aion on 2011.10.14 - 11:06 pm

    I really appreciate all the pictures you share on your blog. Even though the image of someone washing their laundry in that muddy water is going to haunt me…

    • #496 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.14 - 11:51 pm

      I wish that was all they used that water for. Believe it or not, that was the dry season. About now, all the dry land you see there is under water. A lot of it.

      • #497 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 3:15 am

        I remember when staying in Africa within the ‘bush country’….kids from a village all nude, playing in the streams coming from a river…That was their source of amusement…Yes, that water was drinking water, and the water was filtered for the American families…I am not dead from it! LOL

      • #498 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 3:17 am

        After the flood, do the Cambodians with their water homes, rebuild each year, or move on to other areas???

      • #499 by softNdark on 2011.10.15 - 6:18 am

        Thats a wonderful photo. Now I will have a Great Day !!! I got to go out and make some one smile!!!

    • #500 by Trainyard TopHat on 2011.10.15 - 2:36 am

      Thank You for making the world once again great. I have been waiting and not saying anything, but wanted to say hi. Maybe someday I could get the 3 100 acre hoods back with the one of a kind suspension bridge connecting them together.

      -TRAINYARD (Thereian Name)
      -TRAINYARD TopHat (SL Temp Name)

    • #501 by invu34 on 2011.10.15 - 5:35 am

      I don’t know if this helps but if you go into thereIM and change your clothes before signing into you will come in with what you put on in thereIM.

  195. #502 by WizardK on 2011.10.14 - 10:29 pm

    You Cought me im the mad loger but i got in and i loved it thanks to all who did this for us i wasent in for long but i got in and loved it thanks again and i rest my finger now for a wile lol

  196. #503 by David H on 2011.10.14 - 10:25 pm

    I got that once, then I downloaded the larger client version.
    The bug fix ppl would know about this issue I believe and realistically there is no point trying to login while there is only 50 allowed logins at the same time, as MW said LOADS of ppl will try to login from now until it is released.

  197. #504 by Cory on 2011.10.14 - 9:39 pm

    Not sure if this is my computer or There itself. When I first go in game tonight it was running at like 10,000K-30,000K memory usage. But then I relogged and it went from that to 500,000K+ and stopped working. Going too reinstall , see if that helps.

    • #505 by Michael Wilson on 2011.10.14 - 9:50 pm

      I don’t re-installing will fix anything. :-(.

      • #506 by Cory on 2011.10.14 - 10:15 pm

        Nope keeps saying something about the client cannot get enough memory to run. This time it was only 25,000K in the memory usage.

      • #507 by ImageMaker on 2011.10.15 - 7:18 am

        Have you tried restarting your computer? I’d do that before even considering a reinstall (especially since you probably can’t get a new download while the servers are full).

      • #508 by Cory on 2011.10.15 - 11:25 am

        Yep re started. Download can be gotten even if the servers are full. Don’t have to log in to do it. It is on the othere Log-in page where it says forgot pass/name download now / ect.

      • #509 by invu34 on 2011.10.23 - 10:54 am

        Your Right MW…re-installing does not fix a thing 🙂 Been there done that. Also had to roll back my computer to a previous date due to flash player. I noticed when I got into game today it was distorted. I was in game but really was not in game. The world would not load. The graphics was blurred and I could not move. A lot of rubber-banding still going on. DX9 if you can run it on your pc does display the graphics crisper. I pray that before there opens they will have figured out this flash player. I really hate to have to downgrade to 10.2 when clearly it states there is glitches within that program. I see that inventory for some is still a nightmare even after spending hours sorting 😦 I thought I read in the blogs it was opening faster. Even with my little bit of inventory the icons still tell me unknown paper object. I think the hardest thing right now helping find bugs as you really don’t know what is already known. I read the blogs but would be nice to have a list of known issues. Then we are not all reporting the same thing. I am happy to report that giggles still works and I can enjoy streaming my own music and dance to the giggle dances I wrote for many hours before there closed. ”’yay it is great to be home. As for the person or persons who posted about there being an elite group coming into game or that they were all beta testers. I will be the first to admit I was not as popular as some and I have managed to make into game and do some testing. So therefore it is just luck of the draw or should I say luck of the click. Thanks to Makenna knocking people out at various times of the day maybe some of you can get in that haven’t been. Have a great day ‘tu

    • #510 by Hugsie on 2011.10.15 - 6:07 am

      There is a huge memory leak so it’s best to close the app right away after a failed login (or after a few attempts) from the service being “full.” That should clear up the memory usage. Even if you do get on after a dozen retries your memory usage by then will probably be too large to actually be in world. So always a good idea to close the client after a failed login, then re-launch it, and try again.

  198. #511 by Sassybeme There on 2011.10.14 - 9:16 pm

    Seeing children in pain going hungry is heart breaking. I wouldn’t judge happiness by amount of wealth. They could feel richer then many.

    Sorry I have to sit this log in fest out for a bit. Every one seems to be having a good o’ frustrating time trying to log in. 🙂
    I miss all the fun. 🙂

    • #512 by OdileS on 2011.10.15 - 3:22 am

      hi sassy: Seeing people living in a small man-made village in Africa…Watching their children play, or the women help build their homes..(trodding the mud used as plaster), was what I had experienced as a teenager…And yes, there was great happiness amonst them…Smiles, smiles, smiles is one of the memories I have…These village people were very happy….

      *Ok, not going to comment more on here about Africa…I could write a book!!! LOL sorry MW…but this subject about travelling, people, and their way of life is hard to not comment!!! zips mouth now LOL

      • #513 by Greenie on 2011.10.15 - 1:41 pm

        Why don’t you write that book?

  199. #514 by dalejr388 on 2011.10.14 - 9:02 pm

    Wow I had a lot of fun playing tonight!!! Till I got a message saying There was using too much memory and it closed the program down? Love the pictures!!! Keep them coming.

  200. #515 by Phil Reinsmith on 2011.10.14 - 9:00 pm

    Thanks for the information MW…..About the Picture. I saw “Homes” in the Philippines, along river banks and Shorelines that were quite similar to that. A very Humbling experience.

  201. #516 by AhmedxTinct on 2011.10.14 - 8:58 pm

    Showing “Download failed: Transfer error: read 0 byes, wrote 0 bytes in 0 loops, readerr:12002, writeErr:0” after i download and install there.

  202. #517 by daniel on 2011.10.14 - 8:57 pm

    thanks for the update

  203. #518 by jake_jackson on 2011.10.14 - 8:55 pm

    I have seen poverty like this in my old military days overseas, not good…thanks for the update.

    • #519 by Lady_Tigrane on 2011.10.15 - 4:10 am

      sadly I’ve seen almost as bad right here in the good ole USA.

      • #520 by Greenie on 2011.10.15 - 1:45 pm

        Some of us have lived it.
        Some of us still do.

        Poverty is such a subjective term.
        Poverty of spirit saddens me more than poverty of pocket.

        Thereians have united for so many different reasons. I have always been so proud for our membership’s charity works. We are indeed fortunate to have such a community.

      • #521 by mimi06 on 2011.10.15 - 6:27 pm

        very true.. some of the kids I have fostered were in fact skin and bones.. one went knocking on doors for food for his siblings.. that picture above is heart wrenching yes, unfortunately we can’t save the world..

        A perfect reason to be in a virtual game like THERE..if even for a little while we can forget whats outside our doors..

  204. #522 by daniel begis on 2011.10.14 - 8:49 pm

    everyone keeps calling me asking if im on yet,lol
    srry:(,pls wait all will work out as it shoulds:)’tu Im sure they have many issues to deal with ,so just be patient:)’tu

  205. #523 by daniel begis on 2011.10.14 - 8:47 pm

    ahh,just reread the blog,spent 39.95 to get updates for the DX(,geesh,lol,oh well ill just wait, for your info and gl with all tasks:)’tu

  206. #524 by Andrew Sertich on 2011.10.14 - 8:46 pm

    Keep Rockin’ Team Phoenix an Dumbledore/Oz!

  207. #529 by justagreatguy on 2011.10.14 - 8:34 pm

    Yes thank you, doing great!

  208. #530 by Shelley Haughie on 2011.10.14 - 8:33 pm

    Rock On!

  209. #531 by Harley There on 2011.10.14 - 8:32 pm

    As much as I’d Love to come Home, I’d much rather a smooth ride then a Buggy one. Thanks for the update.

    • #532 by jimony on 2011.10.14 - 9:36 pm

      What? I LOVE buggy rides!

  210. #533 by Rick Reynolds on 2011.10.14 - 8:32 pm

    I only tried five or six times. 🙂

  211. #534 by maverickfred on 2011.10.14 - 8:31 pm

    sorry mw i was in for 1 second lol but i well wait keep up the great work guys thanks .

  212. #535 by cometoplay on 2011.10.14 - 8:25 pm

    very good job M.W yes you are right we should wait till its all better and not many bugs are around rather than alot of buggs and people complaining .. keep up the good work M.w and staff and a round of applause to the gp3d’s you are doing a very good job keep up the good work 🙂 sincerly cometopplay

  213. #536 by daniel begis on 2011.10.14 - 8:14 pm

    right on:)’tu

  214. #537 by Bronnieb There on 2011.10.14 - 8:12 pm

    Thankyou for keeping us informed…and I totally agree with your last comment!

  215. #538 by kevman95 on 2011.10.14 - 8:11 pm

    Thanks for the update.

    • #539 by 3cMaldito on 2011.10.15 - 11:22 am

      Thanks for your all your hard work, dedication and commitment. Oh and thanks for the update!!!

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