Mr. Pickle

Here’s a little update, inspired by SamSyn:


To give everyone a fair shot at land-claiming, we will be picking up ALL member portazones shortly before we open the cluster to all (legacy) members.

Over time, we will also be claiming some regions as ‘sacred’ (i.e. no Paz drops allowed) to protect some landmarks, major thoroughfares and landing locations. For example, right now there is a paz blocking the Duda Beach arrival area. That area will be made sacred (a small circle surrounding the arrival location, that is) Any member pazes already dropped in a sacred area will magically put themselves away once they realize it.

And thanks to Mister Pickle (my name for him, real name withheld to prevent contempt), we will be applying additional restrictions to the till-now-tolerated “drop trick.” We acknowledge the drop-trick is crucial for Space Community development, but we can’t allow a terrestrial paz to have pieces *significantly* outside of its boundary rope — as are the giant pickles in Duda Bay (hundred of meters outside their paz). If this policy change upsets you, please take it up with mister pickle, assuming he doesn’t get himself banned first 🙂


As you know, in old There, Basic avatars were free, so it was easy to pick up a bunch, especially as “mule” avatars, to carry your excess inventory. In New There, however, each avatar is an individual and will require the monthly subscription to be able to login.

We will provide a tool by which you can claim the inventory of your old alt avatars, so long as that inventory has not already been claimed.

Hence, you should recreate your PRIMARY avatar, but leave your alts alone until this tool is available. Your primary avatar should be the one you enjoyed the most, had your favorite name, all the skills you enjoyed, and your favorite buddy list. (because when you claim the inventory of an alt, all you will get is the inventory (and that will not include the alt’s skills or skill reward items, if any)).

If you have already claimed your alt(s), you will need to manually transfer the inventory to your main. If you cannot achieve this before a subscription is required, then you would have to buy a subscription (at least temporarily) for the alt in question.

Claiming the inventory of an alt will be as easy as:

* log in as your main avatar (with a current subscription)
* open your Profile Page
* select “Claim Legacy Inventory”
* enter the alt’s name and password
* wait for confirmation

The actual possessions will then appear after they have been ‘migrated’ (A process we perform within a day or two, but not immediately)

And, of course, you are also free to just re-create your alts with their own subscriptions. And we thank you in advance in either case!

Note from MKW: We know that many people has “suggested” that we allow all avatars in world for free for “some amount of time” to transfer all of their Alt Inventories, but we don’t think we’re going to do that. Experience has shown that whatever amount of time we provide, and however much notice we give, it won’t be enough (“You announced that the day after I left for my trip to climb Mt. Everest, NOT FAIR!!!!”).

Also, we fear a “free-for-all” is going to result in the system, once again, being full of abandoned avatars and alts, which is exactly where we don’t want to be, again.

So, that’s where we came up with the “Recovery Tool”. We know it’s not going to be popular, but we think it’s better than the alternatives, or none of your old inventory, at all.

  1. #1 by Minxyx on 2011.12.16 - 11:25 am

    Ive already paid for my account.. but how do I pay for another? it wont allow me to use the same email as its obviously already in use and therefore wont direct me to my paypal account.

  2. #2 by seany35 on 2011.11.30 - 7:54 am

    Funny how is going to be 18+ yet from what ive seen so far some adults act like kids.

  3. #3 by 2_fast_for_u on 2011.11.21 - 7:57 pm

    i was wondering since i have already reclaimed my alt i was wondering if yall are going to open the world to avis with fun passes lower than gold? because my alt is below that lol

  4. #4 by YankeeintheSouth on 2011.11.18 - 4:00 pm

    I’m wondering if theres a date yet on opening? I’m getting alot of messages of people needing tbux for their paz’s and funzones. I guess their time is running out. I dont mean anything negative by this but your very vague on the updates and dont really hear much about a opening date. Maybe atleast open the tbux if thats possible for them? Anything would be nice whether its opening tbux or just more information?

    • #5 by CardSharkRay on 2011.11.29 - 11:06 am

      he said hes not going to say the date becouse people would rush in

  5. #6 by Joe on 2011.11.18 - 1:27 pm

    Okay so I still can’t get my main avatar logged on. I get the “Verify email” notice once in awhile, and when I try to verify, I never get any email from There. My spam filter doesn’t show anything from There. I was able to log on with one of my alternate avatars which, for some reason was granted a Gold Fun Pass when my main avatar had far more usage. The Alt. Avatar was able to have email verification but for some reason, I don’t get any email to my main avatar’s email account that I used when I first joined There. I’m thinking that this is the reason I can’t log on with my main avatar. Using ThereIM, my main avatar has all clothing inventory so I don’t know why it can’t get on There when it can get on ThereIM and have stuff I bought. Anyone have any ideas?

    • #7 by Joe on 2011.11.18 - 3:17 pm

      Also forgot to mention that my Main avatar’s transaction history shows nothing, while the alt. avie shows everything.

    • #8 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.18 - 9:30 pm

      Does your main avatar happen to use an AOL email? If so, that is probably the problem.

      • #9 by Joe on 2011.11.19 - 3:35 am

        All my avatars are AOL. I only used one Alt. because it had more stuff I wanted to give my main avatar. The Alt avatar was sent the email verification to the AOL email address.

  6. #10 by Charity_Grace on 2011.11.18 - 9:30 am

    Just thought id give fellow therians a tip. If your transfering your items from a second avie to your main avie a quick way to do it is by logging both of them in and have your second avie set up a trade and add all items and dont add items from main avatar and then have both avies confirm trade and all items will be sent from your second avie to first without having to click on every item and confirm. I dont know if someone else has a better idea but this worked for me 🙂

  7. #11 by martin71a on 2011.11.18 - 5:06 am

    i carnt wait untill it opens and for the prices to go back down for items mainly

  8. #12 by daniel on 2011.11.17 - 9:32 pm

    some day soon i will get in world for the first time in 2 years

  9. #13 by patiently waiting..kinda on 2011.11.17 - 9:28 pm

    mw hasn’t posted any new blogs lately (sad face)

  10. #14 by mimi06 on 2011.11.17 - 11:30 am

    Everyone’s done such an awsome job with your land! seems so nice to roam around and see all your hard work! (don’t forget, MW said don’t get to attached rofl)

  11. #15 by Elaur on 2011.11.17 - 7:08 am

    I thought the pickles were funny and kind of a silly way to start the world up.

    Then again it’s me talking. So there is that.

  12. #16 by Superjuice on 2011.11.17 - 7:03 am

    Is anyone still having the problem where they log in and all they see are a couple of mountains and no avatar? If so have you been able to find a fix for this? Any info will be appreciated.

    • #17 by xSnoopy on 2011.11.17 - 3:38 pm

      If you asked the same question on Thumdar’s blog, the answer is, your Computer. You can’t run There and Windows XP, SP3 with less than 1 gig of ram and an ancient Graphics card.

      • #18 by Superjuice on 2011.11.18 - 9:35 am

        Lol wow where did you get those specs from? I’m not running any of that…….. Fail? Although I did ask this question on Thumdar some time ago it was never truly answered which is why I came to ask here to see if anyone had an update on it. Someone must have asked the same question and given you different specs. Please read up your info before trying to tell me my specs are not up to date. Thanks. 🙂

    • #19 by JasonMK on 2011.11.17 - 7:38 pm

      A ton of us where having that problem, but the latest version fixed it for most of us…although I thought it was for all of us…

    • #20 by MrScrooge on 2011.11.18 - 10:27 am

      There is no cure for Scroogeitis

  13. #21 by vaughn_2 on 2011.11.17 - 5:16 am

    I’m still having this issue with There Client but cannot seem to get any help from anywhere, I open There client to log in and Client hangs up with a grey screen with error There Client program has stopped working,this is as far as i get..things i have done:
    Reinstalled program
    Disabled Antivirus/Firewalls
    Cleaned cookies
    Ran registry cleaner
    Unistalled There and reinstalled again
    Rebooted computer
    Threw computer out the window
    I am running windows 7 64 bit with duel sli gt 250 video cards,8 Gig of memory,Quad core processor,850 watt power supply. I have enough computer to run program for sure.
    Short of reformatting my computer i’m running out of options,is it something simple???? or maybe There just dont like me,lol.
    Anybody??? Am i overlooking something? MW can you please bail me out??? Beta member since 2003,never been banned,and yes i’m 44 years old with alot of computer knowledge,then again i found a program that might have defeated me…….HELP!!!!!

    • #22 by xSnoopy on 2011.11.17 - 3:40 pm

      It sure as hell isn’t your computer!!!!!!!!!!!
      What version of Flash Player do you have installed.
      It’s the only thing I can think of.

    • #23 by freecreed on 2011.11.17 - 5:15 pm

      do you have adobe flash installed ? … .. or maybe your computer is missing some components .. try windows update site … .. most people assume having windows auto update on is enough , but that is only security updates .. no software updates what so ever .. click CUSTOM not express then look in the left column and get all the SOFTWARE updates .. that might help .. especially any flash or java updates … good luck

    • #24 by Analogrival on 2011.11.17 - 5:24 pm

      Try re-installing/updating your drivers
      Reset your browser settings (Easy in IE, Tools>Options>Advanced>Reset; I just create new profiles for testing in FireFox/Chrome)
      Remove and re-install Flash
      Try the There Tweaker and change your render mode

      Have you attached any crashdumps or recorded any errors and submitted them to yet?

    • #25 by MysteriousYouth on 2011.11.18 - 2:47 am

      Run There Tweaker and see if any of the render modes work for you. DX8 works fine with me but u might need to use OGL or DX9 to make it work, if none of them work then i dont know you’re problem.

  14. #26 by JS on 2011.11.16 - 7:01 pm

    I have an idea for alts that were upgraded. Allow us to have one avatar logged in at once with a 10 dollar a month account with out multiple upgraded alt accounts. And allow us to send items to our avatars. Though at this time the second avatar has to be logged into recieve that item and press ok. Tbucks works without the other avatar being logged in now so I am sure you can change this easily with similar code. So allowing us to login with our 10 dollar lifetime avatars will keep your lifetime agreement intact and keep our avatars alive. Unless they opt for a fair tbuck compensation for their alt and at that time you will kill that avatar dead in its tracks forever!! WOW

    Also you can make additional revenue here by allowing an alt situation. WHY? Well all the ladies that have alts will want to buy even more clothes and items for their alts. Irrespective of having the ability to send each of them clothes from one account. Still they will want to buy more. Nobody wants to take the shoes off of one avatar and send it to the alt. It is a hassle to be barefooted on a certain account at any time.

  15. #27 by George_Bush on 2011.11.16 - 6:47 pm

    One way to help the inventory problem is to allow us to throw away all those duplicate or unwanted level up prizes. Like three sets of paprika contact lenses – who wants that? I’d like to be able to give them away too – somebody might actually want them. But a way to throw them away would be a good start. How about an “avatar” that automatically accepts all gifts of anything that you flush during maintenance.

    • #28 by Basya on 2011.11.18 - 11:57 am

      I think all you have to do is to right click on the object in your Change-Me, for instance, and click on “Return”!

    • #29 by softNdark on 2011.11.18 - 12:30 pm

      You can send me a pair of those “paprika contact lenses” I’ve never noticed them as a skill prize. Maybe they were from before I joined.
      smile : )

  16. #30 by YankeeintheSouth on 2011.11.16 - 2:24 pm

    Patiently waiting for the big day… yep (biting nails) cant wait for the big day… mhmm (plucking strands of hair out of my head) Yeah, well be in there before we know it! (Hitting head on my desk)…this waiting is painful! haha

  17. #31 by Deleight on 2011.11.15 - 8:49 pm

    Quick question for MW, or Samsyn might be the one to ask… but how often is the migration script being run? Helped a friend recover his avatar yesterday, but his skills/possessions haven’t been migrated yet… curious to know what the wait is these days (anxious to see him in world again) 🙂

  18. #32 by maanzaki123 on 2011.11.15 - 8:29 pm

    Mr. Wilson, I have 2 accounts but I can’t seem to figure out my email address for my secondary account. My secondary account is zaki123321, is there anyway I can get my email address, because I have used many for different games, and I can’t seem to remember, thanks 🙂

  19. #33 by Andrew Harris on 2011.11.15 - 5:57 pm

    Pickles are EVERYWHERE!!! They are taking over our towns, our computers and our lives. Please do not eat pickles. Save a thereian!

  20. #34 by christianconnolly on 2011.11.15 - 3:44 pm

    Cant Wait to Login and Paintball lol

  21. #35 by christianconnolly on 2011.11.15 - 3:43 pm

    Good News 🙂

  22. #36 by MysteriousYouth on 2011.11.15 - 2:51 pm

    The kicking ppl out system should still be in place, it is more difficult to get in now cause everyone is AFK-ing and staying there all day. I know you stopped booting ppl out but i think it should still be in place since its not properly open yet and ppl are finding it difficult to get in.

  23. #37 by justagreatguy on 2011.11.15 - 7:08 am

    “Mr. Wilson what are you going to do with that Pickle?”

  24. #38 by Fxy on 2011.11.15 - 6:38 am

    I seem to be having some issues, such, sometimes my buddy list wont appear after ive logged in. I experiance lots of lag anytime i enter a house or get close to a building. Also i tried to
    get my stream for djing in game, i did that ,however after a few songs it starts skipping. Any help or suggestions on any of these issues would be great. Ty

  25. #39 by WizardK on 2011.11.15 - 3:24 am

    “Recovery Tool”. perfact thanks that saved us a lot of bucks and please have mursy on Mr Pickle he is a good man hes just testin the water he put his pickel in rong spot

    • #40 by CardSharkRay on 2011.11.15 - 2:40 pm

      BAN MR PICKLE hes not a good man man i think hes a kid NO man would be that Childish and put pickels all over world..

      • #41 by Mooly on 2011.11.17 - 10:02 am

        Ahem, ‘cough ‘choke. No, CardSharkRay, no grownup would EVER be that childish…not. ROFL

        I fear we would have to ban everyone from the world if that were to be the new criteria (including one MW, at times). And maybe you sometimes and definitely me.

        To badly paraphrase a quote: First they came for the under 18 and I said nothing, then they came for Mr. Pickle and I said nothing, then they came for me and there was no one else to stand up for me.

    • #42 by justagreatguy on 2011.11.15 - 4:45 pm

      Be very care full where you put your Pickle!

  26. #43 by HiddenTalent on 2011.11.15 - 2:55 am

    I am having problems with voice, i dont see the speaker next to my name even when i turn it on, and i dont see the voice line above my head when i am talking but people say they can hear me. anyone else having this problem?

  27. #44 by _Reject on 2011.11.15 - 1:50 am

    Maybe one of you can help since hasnt replied in like 4 days lol. I retrieved my avy Saturday, its Tuesday now, its updated that i created him in 2007 and is a bronze pass, and expert fashionista. Im almost positive i should have alot more skills than that and better than bronze pass. Specially cuz i played him more than that. Also… he has no cloths on him whatso ever besides the 2 sets of nooby cloths. Is this just taking a long time? Or did the just forget my character completely?

    • #45 by JasonMK on 2011.11.15 - 11:45 am

      This is not an official response: But MW has commented here that you should NOT be expecting email replies to emails sent to feedback@… That is part of the keeping costs down. Now, you say that you had a Bronze funpass but you are not seeing your stuff? I assume you are only able to access your avatar through ThereIM since you can’t get into There3D yet, is that correct? And what were your skills when you last logged in? Just because you had hoped for higher skills doesn’t mean you had higher skills (especially if you can’t recall having higher skills). Sounds like they have not fogetten your character/avatar completely, because you did sucessfully recover it. Right? Feel free to provide some more info and maybe we can get you some help.

    • #46 by thereuser on 2011.11.16 - 5:21 am

      You might try to give feedback. Last time I tried (without the inc) the email bounced. I fear your emails have never made it.

  28. #47 by Cynrhia Yonkers on 2011.11.14 - 5:44 pm

    Please don’t get rid of the drop trick. It is a major part of decorating. Instead ban the ones that abuse this feature. Please!!!

    • #48 by Cynrhia Yonkers on 2011.11.14 - 5:57 pm

      Using the drop trick allows us to create one flowing decoration from one paz or hood lot to another. If you take this away you will loose money because I for one seem to take out more pazes to extend the scene. Please think about this before you change it.

    • #50 by Danica Ravenheart on 2011.11.17 - 5:27 am

      How do you separate use of the feature from abuse? If it’s allowed at all then it has to be tolerated for all. I think the biggest example of what I considered abuse of features in my time there was duda beach, being so over packed and laggy but most people thought that was acceptable. You get into to many what one person considers decoration vs abuse. If it placeing items in some one else paz yes that would be clear, but other uses of it may not be clear as use or abuse.

  29. #51 by CpnBob on 2011.11.14 - 2:59 pm

    Please BAN Mr. Pickle … if I dont know him.

    • #52 by jimony on 2011.11.18 - 10:04 pm

      Has he committed any bannable offense? It looks to me that what he has done isn’t against any rules now in affect and most of the pickles spreading has been somewhat humorous. The problem is that he has brought to light a trick that could be used to grief others when the world is open and has made the There staff consider fixing it so griefing won’t be as possible so they won’t have to deal with it later. Hardly a reason to ban anyone. I don’t think the pickles that have been put out during the testing have actually either griefed or been intended to grief.

  30. #53 by DavyRocket on 2011.11.14 - 2:08 pm

    Just curious as to how much longer this login limit is going to last?

  31. #54 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.14 - 1:16 pm

    Si usted habla español o de un país de habla español aquí

    aprender a dar de alta ¡

  32. #55 by Tassader on 2011.11.14 - 10:11 am

    It seems I am the only one who doesn’t know anything about the drop trick.
    Anyway, I was logged on for most of the weekend and I really enjoyed myself. I saw one the pickles somewhere but never thought much about it.

    • #56 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.15 - 12:56 pm

      add me , and I’ll teach you how to do it

  33. #57 by superdale on 2011.11.14 - 9:48 am

    this is no big deal ! have some one seen the moon it is now on the westside not the eastside . are im going crazy

    • #58 by ImageMaker on 2011.11.14 - 3:25 pm

      I’m afraid the last time I saw the moon was one of the logins when my compass wouldn’t open, so I’m not sure, but it seems as if it was in the east last time I saw it when I could easily check direction.

      • #59 by Escape on 2011.11.15 - 12:53 pm

        Was it a Full Moon or a New Moon?

  34. #60 by Skye63 on 2011.11.14 - 6:57 am

    Just wanted to share in case no one else has noticed, after I organized my inventory I dropped a paz and starting bringing a few things out, in doing this I noticed that when I go to my Gear to decorate instead of my inventory there is way more items in there than when I organized my Inventory.. Strange but true! check it out, might be your stuff is there and just isn’t all showing yet..

  35. #61 by Speshul on 2011.11.14 - 2:06 am

    Hello Wilson, I have a question for you, if a banned member can prove that he/she was framed or banned for wrong reason is there a way to get unbaned? Like… if we had a chatlog stating someone did it and someone else got in trouble for it?…


    • #62 by NathanAvis on 2011.11.14 - 10:00 am

      I are know what may think we is do? 🙂

    • #64 by ImageMaker on 2011.11.14 - 2:28 pm

      If that’s the case, I’d suggest sending the chat log and other information along to — I’m sure they won’t get to it soon, but I bet they’ll look at it when they can.

  36. #65 by Barbie_Doll on 2011.11.13 - 10:12 pm

    If someone knows someone is underage what should they do?

    • #66 by PcDoc on 2011.11.14 - 8:45 am

      report it to

      • #67 by Danica Ravenheart on 2011.11.18 - 5:57 pm

        They may as well just allow them I think, the under 18’s that really want in bad enough will find a way. It doesn’t effect me one way or the other, being in my mid 30’s, just find it odd they are going to cause themselves so much work with the idea of avoiding have under 18 year olds.

    • #68 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.14 - 1:33 pm

      barbie someone brought 2 people into another program I am the room owner of.. they were both underage .. I had to remove them from the room and ban them..the person that did it brought them over from ThereIM. I had not seen them in game as of yet..but If I do I will surely report them… here is my concern the person who brought them into MY room is a There member and was very upset I banned and remove both of the minors.. this person stated ” no one would know, you didn’t need to kick them out” well I knew and the room is an R rated no one under the age of 18 was allowed in . and its owner has clearly stated you are NOT allowed into if you are underage. this is to protect them the minors.

      So do not fear in reporting them. Do be concerned with members saying anything.. Protect the child ,yourself and the Program.

      IMAKOS (Leilani)

      • #69 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.14 - 1:36 pm

        Correction: ” Do NOT be concerned with members saying anything.. Protect the child ,yourself and the Program”.

  37. #70 by justagreatguy on 2011.11.13 - 8:40 pm

    Re: (To give everyone a fair shot at land-claiming)
    Grand opening for land at – Wait and see!!

    • #71 by Superjuice on 2011.11.18 - 9:37 am

      Lol that looks ridiculous!

      • #72 by Thomas Campbell on 2011.11.18 - 6:03 pm

        there’s not enough free stuff on this planet to make me get up and fight the mobs on the day after thanksgiving.

        I wouldn’t care if they were giving away $50,000 gift cards for 0.50 cents. No worth that mess!!!!!

  38. #73 by joeydantonio on 2011.11.13 - 8:03 pm

    I am extremely interested in renting this funzone, I went to rent the funzone a few times now and it gives me the following message:

    “When the service was shut down in March 2010, we preserved the rental status of all properties. This zone was rented at that time and can only be re-rented by its original owner, after they rejoin the service. This reservation will eventually expire, at which time the zone will be available on a first come, first served, basis again. Thank you for your patience, and if you knew the original owner, feel free to remind them to sign back up and claim their property!”

    So how long will funzones like this one be on hold/reservation for? I only ask because the owner is most likely not re-claiming his avatar I have been told by multiple people. Thanks in advance! 🙂

    • #74 by Sputters on 2011.11.14 - 1:34 pm

      I’m getting the funzone Joey.

      And if the owner doesn’t reclaim, it was said to be on hold for 6 months, and then it will be put into auctions. Once that happens, May the best man win. 😀

  39. #75 by NateTheStar on 2011.11.13 - 6:10 pm

    As an old salty There member, I think you should exercise your discretion and ban “Mr. Pickle” for all time. I think that the Landmarks in there make it interesting to explore. When I see some of the longstanding features of There disgraced by a bunch of stupid looking pickles it just made me upset. I always thought the Tyr tower was pretty cool, as are the pyramids. Please at the earliest opportunity pull this graffiti and ban “Mr. Pickle”. It’s not funny.

    • #76 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.13 - 9:35 pm

      Why do people keep saying ban this guy? Do we really get banned for not even breaking any existing rules? To say the least he has exposed a loophole that could easily be used as a means for hundreds of people to fill the world with crap in places it should not be… them the chance now to fix the issue before it grows into a problem.

      • #77 by PcDoc on 2011.11.14 - 8:35 am

        Im pretty sure that exploiting “loopholes” (aka: bugs) are grounds for getting banned.

        Personally, I am getting sick of the pickle props and wish they would get picked up already. Was funny for the first day or so. enough is enough.

      • #78 by Cynrhia Yonkers on 2011.11.14 - 5:38 pm

        Well Phlit ty for the pickles and the ability to not use the putback trick. I too personally got sick of seeing them out in the Duda bay. So now we cannot use the putback trick anymore?

  40. #79 by xSnoopy on 2011.11.13 - 4:18 pm

    Is there anyone who understands the difference between “DROP TRICK” and “PROJECTING”?

    After reading the last 122 posts, there MIGHT be 10 of us.

    It’s kind of IMPORTANT that the difference be understood BEFORE modifying or removing the feature.

    • #80 by SNIPERBAIT looking for stupid people... on 2011.11.14 - 8:48 am

      Snoopy, make that 11. I fully understand the difference, and have been quite disgusted at how it has been looked at as the same. As for anyone hearing on this matter, it does not appear so. theres a big difference in a person dropping a large deck on a small lot to make a paz community, or can only afford a smaller lot like a 32×32 but there house is 40 meters versus pickles half way across the THERE world. i feel bad for those who made them awesome space setups. To even be affordable due to the shape of the pazs it has to be done.
      I think this will end up hurting THERE more than helping all over a pickle..and those who are saying bann this dude. Yes, lets go back to the old THERE where people were being banned left and right for doing squat yet when you had honest greifers and problem causers nothing was done. This Pickler, and a few of us do know it it was.. only showed something that was supposed to not be able to be done in the first place. i could go on and on on this but am casting pearls before swine. its like the folks waning more and more no fly, no drive, not fun at all zones.

      Quote: If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. Walmart made changes and got rid of much of there vendors. What happened? Folks left for Walmart is known for having everything. What did Walmart then do? It brought it all back for it did not listen to the customers at first. Netflix is another example. There is making BIG changes… and change is not bad when it is not something that many have known and loved the entire time, but here things are being taken away or limited that are not what they are being proclaimed as. Drop tricking is not Projection folks…

      • #81 by xSnoopy on 2011.11.15 - 5:12 am

        My concern is simple. Quite a few of us understand the difference between a Drop Trick and Projecting an article but Team Phoenix doesn’t seem to.
        I have posted several times, both here and on Thumdar, in the hopes of getting a reply from them, stating they are aware of the difference.
        Thus far, nothing.
        No Michael, 42 is not the answer. 🙂 If you do not understand the difference, contact me and I will be glad to give you an in game demo.

      • #82 by jimony on 2011.11.18 - 10:12 pm

        Don’t you have to drop an item to trick it into projecting outside of a PAZ? Wouldn’t that make projecting a drop trick? I understand the concern that drop tricking objects inside of a PAZ to let them hang out a little or for other reasons like alignment shouldn’t be removed, but I think There would be justified in removing tricks that allow an object to be drop tricked completely outside the border of a PAZ.

  41. #83 by William Grass on 2011.11.13 - 3:24 pm

    Time is 4:19pm pst. unable to log into There or Thereim. Basically same error unable to locate server address or some nonsense. anybody get this today?

  42. #84 by LeeCarmen08 on 2011.11.13 - 3:18 pm

    I know this is off topic, but when I pull up the client, it doesn’t load completely. It just goes black and goes to the homepage instructing me to reload the page. What does this mean?

    I can’t log into ThereIM either.

    • #85 by LeeCarmen08 on 2011.11.13 - 6:04 pm


  43. #86 by CardSharkRay on 2011.11.13 - 3:10 pm

    ok who didnt feed the ginnie pigs lol the world is shut down the page is offline

  44. #87 by Francis_7 on 2011.11.13 - 8:01 am

    I hope that the developer program gets up and running soon. While I do sorta believe that people should be able to sell thier items (mostly the rare ones) for wahtever they can get for them, it would be nice for developers to be able to do list items agian as well.

    Today I went looking through auctions and say one of Disky’s items listed for One Million Therebucks!!! even though they are unlikely to get this much for… wait for it… an invisible hoverpack, it would be nice to be able to list items again at ‘reasonable’ prices.

    Also, should people be selling thier neighborhoods in auctions? Come to think of it I have development lots in my inventory. I suspect others do as well. Might be a problem once hoods come back out as they can be droped in a hood, but not picked up or moved. If someone bought a hood in auctions, what happens if they try to take it out?

  45. #88 by JS on 2011.11.13 - 12:11 am

    I was wondering would you consider compensating us for our 10 dollar upgraded avatars? Giving us 10 dollars in tbucks? I upgraded like 8 or so avatars at 10 dollars each. I am not a rich man so I obviously won’t be paying monthly for all of them. Just one of course. It would seem fair to get something back for those lifetime account avatars. As silly as you said the lifetime title was. I bought the silly little avatars just as well.

    Also I wonder why some avatars that were migrated won’t log in. A couple of my girlfriends alts won’t log in but she went through the process of claiming the avatar. So since they were claimed I guess they can’t utilize the new utility that will get their items? I wonder. Because I claimed an avatar that doesn’t log in. And you said you can’t use that utility on migrated avatars. I take that as the claimed avatars. So are we out of luck now? Now we are compelled to buy them for 10 dollars? I might have my missing shark hoverboard on that account but I won’t pay 10 dollars to get her things. If this is true I wish you would have told us only to claim your main avatar you plan on paying the 10 dollars a month for. But you didn’t have that utility created until recently and didn’t know this yourself. I hope there isn’t a wrench in the works here when some of these migrated avatars can’t be logged in to manually send items to our main avatars. If this is the case that isn’t fair since you didn’t inform us on this.

    Only the avatar Gods know what is in the cards or possibly Michael Wilson and Samsyn!

    • #89 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.13 - 7:23 pm

      Please worry about this when and if it happens. There is no plan to rob you of $10. 🙂

      But I believe the ‘invitation email’ has been saying for months that you should only proceed if you are emotionally prepared to start paying $10/mo immediately. Obviously that hasn’t happened for months. It will start happening ‘soonish’ but not without your full knowledge and cooperation. Please trust that we are making every effort to be as fair and generous as possible.

      And that includes working out a way for you to have every opportunity to move your items from your alts without it being a financial burden for you.

      But, for the record, no one should be re-creating avatars at this time who is NOT ’emotionally prepared’ to start paying $10 (per avatar, per month) at any time, just like the invite said. We don’t want anyone to be surprised.

      But even if it started tomorrow (it won’t), you would still have to approve the subscription before we would charge you anything.

      No surprise billing.

      • #90 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.13 - 9:30 pm

        I think he was only talking about the charge he paid for premium on his alts. He wants compensation lol

      • #91 by ARTIE on 2011.11.16 - 4:25 am

        Dan & MW, so lets say weh have re-created lots of Avatars that had lots of inventory that needed moved. But now they will be retired (unless I win the lottery). can we submit a list of Avatars to you so that they can be retired and taken off the rolls so that they do not clog the servers? Or will that automatically happen when they fail to register into the payment system after a few months. What will be most helpful to you?

  46. #92 by NoBioN on 2011.11.12 - 11:39 pm

    Im just very Worried about Removing that drop trick. Thats going to result in a lot of frustrations with items that is close to impossible to put together. Leaves you to wonder why makena let this be “unpatched” for years, well aware most houses are built around it to be sampled (since its by far the easiest way in there’s a bit clumsy decorate system). I think you’ll have to implement some kind of new way to place things so they land the same place as the item you drop trick with

    Im glad that things dont stick out of pazzes which is only fair. But if this always been a issue. You could had more damage control by have fixed this “bug” years ago so that not all multiple part items (basicly all is put together this way). Wasent build around this “bug”

    I have confidence that a alternative system will be implemented though. I beg you that you keep paz/lot stacking as its very used and basicly only gives more rent income.

    • #93 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.13 - 7:03 pm

      I hesitate to embellish my comments further, since it appears people mis-read and then ‘run with it’ until there are more people repeating the inaccurate reports than there are people actually understanding what I was trying to say. So hopefully this will be the last contribution I make to the subject:

      * No one is “taking the drop trick away.”

      We’re talking about something that just looks at each gamepiece, whether it was drop-tricked, ejected, dropped, taken-out, or whatever, and asks the question “just how many meters outside of the paz boundary IS this piece anyway?” and if that distance is “obscene” then to pick up that piece automatically.

      That’s it. No “obscene” distances outside the paz, whether you used drop trick or anything else.

      And I have nothing against Pickles. They (the pickles filling Duda bay, I mean) are just a convenient example of what “obscene” might mean, in terms of meters.

      • #94 by NoBioN on 2011.11.13 - 11:18 pm

        I assume this is samsyn? Correct me if im wrong.

        Thats good to hear. Its a good solution.

        The stacking will be preserved? I used it to quite a extend. Simply because if you want your place to have many details. Both big and small, even with 100 drops that can be quite hard auctually. Before there clised i had 300 drops in the big house of mine. And only with that much it were “nomally” furnished. You can try and search on my name on youtube to see how it looked ( shot a video of it before the closure) 🙂

        I heard nothing on these blogs about it disapearing though. So i hope its because its still working 🙂

      • #95 by SNIPERBAIT looking for stupid people... on 2011.11.14 - 9:00 am

        That’s soemthing that has me concerned personally on how far the limit will be. For instance, I have a star lift setup. I use 7 stars to lift folks up in to the sky to our hood. Now it would be insane for me to pay for a half acre paz to just use 7 drops. The base starts at 10 and then to make the buggies lift it goes to almost 40m at the 40 meter height. i can pull out the lift when we we are both in world to show you. i also know alot of folks drop then huge rocks with waterfalls and they extend out and they use a handful of lost to make there setup work correctly and affordable. Now after 40 meters.. I personally have not had anything beyond that. Though I think the space folks and paz communities go a bit over that with the center dropped deck that folks build on. Welp that;s my thoughts.

      • #96 by SNIPERBAIT looking for stupid people... on 2011.11.14 - 9:24 am

        Awesome house NoBion. hope to get to see it in world again.

      • #97 by knighthawk101 on 2011.11.15 - 4:00 am

        Wow I’m glad to hear that, My wife Ravenmagic and I (Knighthawk101) was getting a little bit worried. We saw you walking around a paz we had dropped on Hemp beach and we had dione a bit of trick dropping on that mountain waterfall thing. Whew…..

      • #98 by ARTIE on 2011.11.15 - 5:41 pm

        Dan … thank you so much for your clarifying words. I am so looking forward to the official grand reopening when I can see all my old friends. It would be very helpful to give us a few days notice before you begin charging for the subscription fees. I have spent fome than 5 whole days moving inventory an I am not quite done. It would be nice to know if I need to take a few more emergency vacation days to finish moving inventory to the main avatars that I want to keep using.

  47. #99 by Brandy Elliott/Sishc on 2011.11.12 - 11:15 pm

    I am so glad to be back in THERE.COM and I am so happy to not have to buy everything again and i forgot how much i had as well. But I was wondering when they were gonna implement the therebucks option again?

  48. #100 by femsage on 2011.11.12 - 9:44 pm

    I can understand for people who build huge layouts about needing the drop trick. I don’t build huge layouts but I need the drop trick as long as decks and buildings do not correspond to the size of the paz or lot. I’d love decks which fit the dimensions of the pazzes/lots. Some would say get a bigger paz/lot, but I hate spending anymore than I have to. If the drop trick is rescinded, I won’t build at all. I love this game precisely because it is quirky and not overly regimented nor formal. The people are great, with feet of clay to be sure. There’s a lot of positives in this game, more freedom than in any other of its kind. And, yes it is a game but a social one. I don’t think Mr. Pickle intended to give you a bad day. It’s just never been done before. How many times has There and its customers been at the forefront of innovation and development? Something to ponder. Please do test those waters before you jump in. I remember diving into a freezing lake once. I almost drowned. Warm day, ice cold lake. Do take care and thanks so much for re-opening There!

  49. #101 by GreenAngel on 2011.11.12 - 9:08 pm

    I too like to do drop tricks inside my paz and to connect to other pazs, especially up in Space, if we cant do drop tricks then I will have to be earthbound

  50. #102 by mimi06 on 2011.11.12 - 8:25 pm

    Thank Samsyn for coming and checking the paz issue 🙂 all fixed. BUT he needs to know that mariisopolita thought he was a manniquin standing there rofl. she hadnt seen staff before (seriously) rofl…….Thanks again

  51. #103 by personal on 2011.11.12 - 4:18 pm

    Hello Michael Wilson, I havn’t played this game in a very long time and im interested in coming back, seems like you guys are doing some good to the community! But once i finally got my account recovered cuz either someone changed the password or i forgot it, I went to invite me and typed it my name where the legacy avatar goes, and it said this exact message “That avatar name is a legacy avatar which is not available.” Ive been trying to contact about the issue and i havnt gotten a reply for a long time. Could ya help a member out?


    • #104 by ImageMaker on 2011.11.14 - 2:17 pm

      If you’ve already recovered your avatar, you no longer need to be invited, you need to “Get There”. One way to do so is to find the link to the ThereIM client, install that and log in with your recovered avatar information, then view your own profile, and click the “Get There” link, which will take you to the client installer download page. Once you have the client downloaded and installed, you should be able to log in (er, at least if your timing is better than mine — I have a trick that lets me get in reliably a few times a week, but I’m not telling).

  52. #105 by xeroxcopy on 2011.11.12 - 4:07 pm

    You can’t blame MW for removing this feature as people who are abusing it are throwing several large structures well beyond their paz boundary. If everyone did this – who would actually ever purchase the appropriate paz container. People currently are buying smaller pazes, paying less rent, for larger structures which in the end only removes income from There’s pocket. The paz pricing structure was put in place for a reason.

    If you want a large structure purchase the correct paz size, simple.

    • #106 by Sportstar25 on 2011.11.12 - 4:22 pm

      What about people who use drop trick to put a 8 piece home together inside the boundaries ?

      • #107 by Amxscott on 2011.11.12 - 4:53 pm

        The question I ask is why punish all of us who do follow the rules, love to build, and need to use the drop trick tool.

        The only thing I found in SL that I really liked was their build tools.
        Until There has such a set of tools the drop trick is the only way to put together complex builds be it within Paz , Lots, or anywhere one wants to build.

        For those who can not follow the rules ,,,, just ban them and be done with it!!!!!!

    • #108 by thereuser on 2011.11.13 - 4:59 am

      Abuse? rofl

  53. #109 by Tift on 2011.11.12 - 12:39 pm

    Nice of you to arrange for a way to get the inventory from the alts…..the effort is appreciated – much better than everyone staring over – which could have been the way you approached it and much easier for the devs. Great work and thanks again.

  54. #110 by Cwby4ever on 2011.11.12 - 12:10 pm

    Not complaining, am very happy with the world. About the trick droping ok in space but not on land, I have had a paz on the tallest point on aurora for 2 or 3 years, called “Lovers Leap” greeters used to use it for noobie tours, it was very popular spot. I had to trick drop the ramp over the side or it wouldnt work, so there are certain places that trick dropping is used. However no idea how you could allow some and not others so rules are rules and I picked up the paz. Keep up the good work MW and employees keep moving forward!!

  55. #111 by Will on 2011.11.12 - 12:00 pm

    Last time I will post this, just inc ase some didn’t see it. c:

    • #112 by daniel on 2011.11.12 - 9:20 pm

      that would have been so much cooler with some in game video

    • #113 by Simon on 2011.11.13 - 3:40 am

      Nice. Well Done 🙂

    • #114 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.13 - 7:55 pm

      I loved this even before I saw myself in it 🙂

      great music. very emotion-driving.

  56. #115 by danby on 2011.11.12 - 9:58 am

    Im so glad to see that you all are doing this very well:)’tu! I do however have one question,lol. I had a funzone and after numerous attemts to contact somone who would tell me that if i dont have therebucks or a certain amount for rental of it, do i wait till the there banker opens or can i ever open it back up and will the rent still be the same even with a monthly rate? Ok just wanted to know tyvm:)

  57. #116 by Simon on 2011.11.12 - 9:57 am

    Any updates about Whats going on with the Neighbourhoods?

    • #117 by SNIPERBAIT looking for a father son project car. on 2011.11.12 - 2:39 pm

      That’s makes me and three other hood owners I know have been waiting to hear about as well.

      • #118 by Soosi on 2011.11.13 - 3:39 am

        Add me and a couple of hundred members of our group to the list of people who also want to know what’s going on with Neighbourhoods. We got our neighbourhood in February of 2006 and for the two years before that we had a large number of PAZs in the same place. It’s basically been our home since 2004. We’re very concerned that we could lose it if someone who is not a member of our group gets in before one of us and throws down a PAZ. Since the neighbourhood covered a small island, it will only take one PAZ to take it away from us. Our home and all the time, money and effort we put into it will be gone – probably along with a lot of our members. We have a number of other neighbourhoods and are very concerned about those areas as well. As one of our members said, it sounds like it’s going to be like a wild west land grab – which could turn very unpleasant.

      • #119 by Sputters on 2011.11.13 - 11:50 am

        As Michael Wilson said, All PAZ’s will be picked up before There World is open to everyone again.
        “To give everyone a fair shot at land-claiming, we will be picking up ALL member portazones shortly before we open the cluster to all (legacy) members.”

      • #120 by Soosi on 2011.11.13 - 5:52 pm

        Sputters, I’m well aware of what MW said but that is not what my question is about, nor the post above me. I don’t think you were around before neighbourhoods so you may not understand our concerns. First is just the idea of losing a place a group has had for many years. Second, before neighbourhoods some people behaved quite badly with their PAZs and some unfortunate feuds and animosities occurred. That happened over time so the idea of everyone arriving within hours or days could result in something very ugly. Land grabs have never been very peaceful affairs.

        When my group first arrived in There we had to move many times over the first two months. We always seemed to be too close to someone or placed a PAZ on a piece of land that someone felt was theirs or some other infringement. We didn’t want to cause problems nor could we stand the griefing so we kept moving. Then we found the island. No one was on it and no one seemed to be in the area so we set up there. That didn’t stop some people from still coming to grief us or play PAZ games with us. We only found peace when we got our neighbourhood. Unfortunately, this happened to a number of other large groups too. For many of us from big groups to just a couple of friends, neighbourhoods proved to be the only way we could have a place where we felt at home, didn’t feel threatened, and could just relax and enjoy ourselves.

      • #121 by Sputters on 2011.11.14 - 1:37 pm

        I also own neighborhoods, I know exactly what you’re talking about. the Neighborhoods will be back where they were. It doesn’t matter who throws a PAZ down… You bought that virtual land. The PAZ will be removed.

    • #122 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.13 - 7:47 pm

      We have a database of all the hoods in existence when Old There closed.

      As servers come online to handle the load, we will redrop hoods where they were (see note), assuming their landlord has recreated their avatar and wants to be a landlord again. There would be no extra fee for restoring a hood to its original landlord, though we can make no guarantees that the original renters will return.

      Note: it is POSSSSSSSIBLE that some old hoods might not have been ideally located to meet the needs of quality sector-mapping. Should that turn out to be the case, we’ll have to look at that on a case by case basis and possibly nudge the hood a bit so it doesn’t enclose an inconvenient sector line. But our goal is to put old hoods back exactly where they were.

      We won’t start the hood resurrection until after we re-open, but you could help us get a head start on the planning by sending us an email to ‘” with the subject “I am a landowner that is ready to reclaim my hood”

      but only if you are the hood’s landlord. It doesn’t do us any good to know you’re ready to drop your Lot, if the landlord is not ready to drop the hood.

      Your email should include the name of the hood, its approximate location, your (landlord) avatar name, and any other info you find enjoyable to add. If you somehow remember the zone doid of the hood, that’s even better.

      We will then make a list and use it as follows:

      * when we can afford another server (based on income stream)
      * we will pick where it is best for us to add that server (where in the world, I mean)
      * we will then look for hoods in that area which have notified us they are ready to be re-dropped
      * if there is more than one, we’ll try to have some fair way to pick the order
      * we would then drop the hood, and send the landlord an email (registered avatar email address)

      Or at least some process very much like the above. By the way, none of the above was intended to indicate how many hoods fit on an Amazon server.

      • #123 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.13 - 7:51 pm

        Oh, and “old hoods” do get preference over PortaZones. So it is possible we might re-drop a hood on top of your Paz. There is no real way for us to show you this in advance. (your paz would be picked up in such a case)

        “new hoods” probably get preference as well. I think even “Old There” had that policy.

        BUt we’ll worry about “new hoods” later. 🙂

      • #124 by Soosi on 2011.11.14 - 2:45 am

        Thanks so much for your reply and the great information, Dan! I’ll be sending an email with all our details.

        Thanks again!

      • #125 by 12mandy on 2011.11.14 - 11:53 am

        THANK you dan on information reference to hoods,thats wonderful now we can all stop asking questions about hoods,as you have explained it all
        superb well done dan and thank you again,mandy

      • #126 by SNIPERBAIT wants to build on 2011.11.14 - 12:19 pm

        Will be sending in the info. Thanks for responding to this issue that some of us were having.

      • #127 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.11.14 - 8:20 pm

        Excellent info, thanks Dan! RumRunner’s Isle will return! 😀

  58. #128 by Eatings, Sputters, Pneumonia, ect. on 2011.11.12 - 9:55 am

    About the sacred zones. Can you please make outside of FunZones sacred aswell? Like 100m outside of the funzone. People tend to drop PAZ’s and it lags inside the zone.

    • #129 by Ltbigdog There on 2011.11.12 - 11:13 am

      And what about the owners that like to drop pazs outside their zones.

    • #130 by Tumble_Weed on 2011.11.12 - 12:02 pm

      I agree!! But 400m or more would be even better.. :o)

      • #131 by Alter on 2011.11.12 - 2:14 pm

        It would be geat to have a 100 meter or more buffer zone around funzones and racezones.
        Funzones and racezones are a big part of the game and having them lag out because of over animated objects sucking the life out of the zone because of someone dropping a paz outside the zones.
        Thankx Team Phoenix for reopening a favorite passtime for us. 🙂

      • #132 by Garth on 2011.11.14 - 11:53 am


        While I’m for a ‘friendly’ buffer zone around the funzones/hoods, Animated objects don’t affect a one-way funzone (where you can’t see outside). Animations/textures don’t affect the server, they happen on your client. I suspect the average flying paintball would have a greater impact on the server. Which is not to say that ‘objects’ don’t affect the server, but lets not add more confusion to the issue.

        My recommendation was upto 300 meter buffer zone to provide flexibility for sector editing. Unfortunately, that buffer area has more ‘land’ than what is INSIDE the hood/funzone. (the why behind 300 meters is too much to write here, and could have changed in the meantime anyway)

        The trade-off for a larger buffer zone MIGHT (should?) be an increase in rent (since your increasing the amount of land you ‘control’).

        Even though this avatar (still silver) can’t get into world yet, I’m going to move to using Garth vs Spiritus in this blog since I’ve had a few people confused thinking that I still work for Makena.

        While I’m still a HUGE fan of the service and it’s team, I’ve not worked with Makena since 2009.

    • #133 by Okalnix on 2011.11.12 - 4:04 pm

      agree with sacred zone say 100 meter for people but let the owner of the zone put closer its his zone.
      This woot be fair to make some info or setups of a special events or info of the zone of that owner

      ty for the updates.

  59. #134 by Ubber_Geek on 2011.11.12 - 9:45 am

    My question is, why hasn’t Mr. Pickles picked up all his Pickles?!?! He has had to have either seen this post, heard from a friend about this post or been complained to about them from many people by now, if he cared at all about what others think or about the backlash from the community or he would have done the right thing and simply picked them all up and behave. Seems to me he doesn’t care and he should just not be a part of the community, he will continue to cause and the community of there problems until he is gone permanently. Why create problems like this before There even officially re-opens its doors.

  60. #135 by freecreed on 2011.11.12 - 9:32 am

    I’ve been reading along but don’t remember if they have mentioned if the BANKER will be open before they open to all avies .. I’ve seen some in world that don’t currently have the t-bucks to buy their zones / hood back .. I’m sure it needs be tested , so I hope so

  61. #136 by Gman65 on 2011.11.12 - 9:31 am

    I have to say its GREAT! to be back in and being able to get my stuff from my alts is a fantastic….. just sayin…:)

  62. #137 by Jon Davis on 2011.11.12 - 8:52 am

    You know what, if your plans work out on There to be profitable and you end up having enough money to expand and market, there’s someone on YouTube who I think would be an awesome spokesperson for There if you can afford her. KatersOneSeven. The female avatars on There look amazingly like K17, I keep thinking it’s her. 😉

  63. #138 by Sportstar25 on 2011.11.12 - 7:48 am

    Really hoping u don’t remove the drop most of my homes have multiple parts… I can see not allowing it if it’s past your boundarie lines .

  64. #139 by Nekoxanime on 2011.11.12 - 7:34 am

    I’m sorry to say this but, anyone who looks at a virtual pickle in a virtual world and gets angry has issues. I can just see somebody sitting at a computer yelling at the screen “OH MY GOSH, IT’S A PICKLE!” Virtual worlds are supposed to be fun not a source of hate and drama. Come on people, if you keep letting your emotions get the best of you, you’re going to end up like this.

    • #140 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.12 - 2:23 pm

      Pickle Phobia is a serious condition, One that has this codition finds them self avoiding the baby dills, Kosher Pickles and MOST of all the Vlasic Pickle … The Pickle of all Pickles.. The Dreaded Dance Vlasic Pickles

    • #141 by Hugsie on 2011.11.12 - 5:43 pm

      ”Virtual worlds are supposed to be fun not a source of hate and drama”

      You seem to be very clueless about human nature. For as long as there will be people in this universe, there will be drama. First of all it’s not about the pickles it’s about how they are placed out side of the paz. Did you not read the article MW wrote? I personally don’t care about the pickles.. it’s funny. But it is a hack/trick that exploits a bug and it needs to be fixed.

      • #142 by AgapeLove on 2011.11.13 - 5:21 pm

        My daughter who is 19 submitted the post with the link to the ” pickle phobia” Video. Not only is she not “clueless”, but I think she is wise beyond her years! We are aware of what the issue was here but we were both trying to add a little humor to the situation.

        First of all if we want to get more serious about this, I think back to when we had helpers and submitted a request to them for what ever reason and we usually got a note back to the effect that the situation was being taken care of and not to expect any more details of what they were doing.

        Now it looks like when a person does wrong they are thrown out to be “tared and feathered” by public opinion and some of those opinions have been very hateful! What is that solving; if we lose our precious “trick drop” so be it, but if you go back and look at all the hateful posts to this person “Mr. Pickle” perhaps you might see that we are loosing something more precious here than a “trick drop” !


  65. #143 by Ashley on 2011.11.12 - 7:28 am

    So is there open yet??

  66. #144 by Puter_Head on 2011.11.12 - 7:04 am

    My goodness…

    All I can say is everyone could very well be starting over fresh with nothing but a t-shirt and nice pair of newb shorts! Be happy you even have inventory to worry about and give this team some peace to get the world open and not worry about all of this trivial crap. (And yes… I have the alts, inventory and all the same issues as you.) I just want them to open the world, and am most appreciative every time I log in that I have ANYTHING in my inventory at all. They didn’t have to do that… and if they hadn’t would most likely have already opened the world up and would be making some real money by now.

    Does anyone even stop to think what an unselfish act giving this inventory back to us was?? Honestly?? Think about it just for a moment… if they hadn’t done this, each and every one of us would have been shopping and buying all of this crap back from them, or running around looking all the same until you could dress yourselves. They lost a ton of sales doing this folks… that is an unselfish act. Give it a rest and let them dedicate the time they have to getting the world open.

    I am really not trying to be rude to anyone by any means. It just gets old. Everyone wants the world to be open with all of the kinks ironed out, yet a few hundred folks want them to spend the time dealing with issues concerning something we were given as a gift. WHATEVER they decide to do about any of this is fine with me as I am gratefull we have anything!

    Thank you MW for allowing us to have our inventory back when you could have been working on other things instead of that! Seriously… I for one thank you!! Now go fix the world and let us in so you can start making some money because without that this world will not survive. Before anything else… I want to survive! When I log in next year I do not want to see “The webpage cannot be found”!!

    Just my opinion, but at this point in time this should be everyones focus.

    ‘rant over

    • #145 by Osee on 2011.11.12 - 7:38 am

      Agreed 100%

    • #147 by freecreed on 2011.11.12 - 9:34 am


    • #148 by softNdark on 2011.11.12 - 9:45 pm

      “About time somebody said it” AMEN

    • #149 by Charity_Grace on 2011.11.13 - 3:34 pm

      I am thankful he did it as well but we did pay for the items dont forget. I spent over a thousand dollars in the game easily maybe more and I would have had a really hard time buying more once there reopened if I didnt get back some or all of my inventory. I worked hard for the money I spent in the game and used what little extra I had a month to invest in a game I loved playing. Some people didnt spend a lot of money or buy very much in the game but there are some people who spent a lot. I am very greatful for MW giving our stuff back but really if he didnt people would be reluctant to purchase a lot of items in there again especially since we dont know how well it will do and if it will reclose.Saying that I am just very glad MW is reopening there and did give us back our stuff and is working hard to bring us back to our friends and our online community.

  67. #150 by Qweasdzxc979 on 2011.11.12 - 6:21 am

    The drop rule has never effected me; I live in my buggy :>

  68. #151 by martin71a on 2011.11.12 - 4:07 am

    we found another pickle near cosmo at the devils corner on top of a LM voodoo place

  69. #152 by NoBioN on 2011.11.12 - 3:05 am

    Just to be sure. The drop trick is only altered not removed? Since close to all multiple peices houses and etc. Is relying on this “feature”. Otherwise its going to be impossible to pull a 46 peices house together like i have

  70. #153 by BuzLtBeer on 2011.11.12 - 2:37 am

    I didn’t mind the pickles at Duda so much but I’ve seen them on top of clucky’s temple, the pyramids, tyr tower and more places. TBH I thought it was a There employee.

  71. #154 by davesmeg on 2011.11.12 - 2:37 am

    Will you be able to verify the the alt being claimed for does actually belong to the person claiming it?

    • #155 by ImageMaker on 2011.11.12 - 8:48 am

      That’s why they ask for the password, I’m sure…

  72. #156 by Rick Reynolds on 2011.11.12 - 2:10 am

    I was just considering buying two subscriptions. Sounds like a good way to support this wonderful world just a bit more. 🙂

  73. #157 by toufovou on 2011.11.12 - 12:08 am

    There might be one very simple solution to the inventory issue. What if, the inventory was completely redesigned so it can be a similar to the Inventory in Second Life for example. That way it would be so much easier for everybody to organize it and will make in-world life much easier. The same should be done for the Favorites menu.
    Another idea which I posted in Thumdar would be to have mule avatars at a lower cost that would be able to log in-world and only have inventory capabilities like send and receive items and money and perhaps able to be teleported from place to place. They don’t even have to look like avatars. They can be blockheads. They would be named after their owner with a “_mule” or something added to the id. For example if I had 3 mule avies they could be named “toufovou_mule”, “toufovou_mule1” and “toufovou_mule2”

  74. #158 by invu34 on 2011.11.11 - 11:33 pm

    As for the drop tricking it is essential for some things like Jinxtv’s playground, Spaceball game, buggy bashes or anything else that other people may need to drop things to utilize the game. I guess I do not understand why people are posting that they wished they had known about this recovery plan before they claimed their alt avies if they got their stuff out of them already it should not be a big deal. Unless they are just posting it to show concern of the many abandoned avatars in world. I am thankful to hear that some spots are going to be sacred. It is so hard to drive around duda as it is with things having to reload because of draw distance but now having to dodge everything is crazy! There are 2 places I would like to suggest as added landmarks to you MW and your team, they are Peter7’s firepit paz which many enjoy, and my Veteran’s Memorial. I do not mind paying paz rent for the Memorial as I have done it for nearly over a year before there closed. it is just the idea that it is not a landmark that everyone can visit. I have 20 people who have allowed me to honor them for serving our country in my book at the Veteran’s Memorial. A salute to them for serving our Country!

    • #159 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.12 - 9:17 am

      Well their reason for wishing they knew ahead of time is simple. Some of their alts are silver passes so they won’t get them in the world to transfer for free, meaning they have to now pay 10 a month for each silver pass alt they brought back already.

      • #160 by invu34 on 2011.11.12 - 4:57 pm

        I don’t mean to be so thick headed but I just want to make sure I understand this completely. I have 2-3 other alt avies that are not able to get into world as well to get things out of them because they are not skilled up enough even though were premium members. The way I understood what Samsyn was saying is we will be able to go to our profile and just claim the inventory that are in them avies correct?
        log in as your main avatar (with a current subscription)
        * open your Profile Page
        * select “Claim Legacy Inventory”
        * enter the alt’s name and password
        * wait for confirmation

        The actual possessions will then appear after they have been ‘migrated’ (A process we perform within a day or two, but not immediately)

        And, of course, you are also free to just re-create your alts with their own subscriptions. And we thank you in advance in either case!

  75. #161 by Cassiie32 on 2011.11.11 - 10:48 pm

    MKW? What’s the k stand for 😮

  76. #162 by Flygirl_Dani on 2011.11.11 - 10:29 pm

    OOh dear!!! No drop tricking I will be in a Pickle if that goes away Mr. Samsyn… I have a few buildings that are IMPOSSIBLE i tell ya to drop without a drop trick.. 😦 .. Cant we just Shoot down the giant pickle and put the owner in a JAR or something?? Please oh please… You just dont understand!!


    In a Pickle!!

  77. #163 by Meret on 2011.11.11 - 10:06 pm

    “If you have already claimed your alt(s), you will need to manually transfer the inventory to your main. If you cannot achieve this before a subscription is required, then you would have to buy a subscription (at least temporarily) for the alt in question.”

    That was my plan, but since my alt cannot seem to log in (gets the world is closed message versus my main), I’m not sure how I can achieve this. Any possibility you could stop the ‘invite my avatar’ option before opening and let all those you have activated into the world for a day or so?

  78. #164 by mimi06 on 2011.11.11 - 7:51 pm

    spent the evenning with group_iplanet, I so terribly stink at explaining things rofl.. they are so lost with “paypal” altho we did manage to find “”. the majority are from spain and argentina. appears they have issues with bank cards in those countries. I have asked one member to come here and explain. (she will use a translator) and do her best. can anyone here help them know about pay pal better? I would appreciate it. thank you your all great!

  79. #165 by SB on 2011.11.11 - 7:22 pm

    ~gasps~….All those years, there was a “drop trick”?? And I didn’t know?? I feel, I feel….so….cheated! (not!)…..~lol~ Really, I had no idea. Seriously though, it’s been pretty cool being back in There, even took a few tumbles off Avie Sacrifice.

    Thanks again MW. You and your team have done a great job getting things back up and rolling while allowing us a way to have our stuff back as well

  80. #166 by Meret on 2011.11.11 - 6:29 pm

    Have you considered giving paying members 2 to 5 trial invites per month? I know a few people on line that would like to try it, but like most people, they want to see it for themselves before paying.

  81. #167 by JS on 2011.11.11 - 6:04 pm

    I am trying to have fun in There now. I do with riding around hoverboards. But I can’t really get into building as I want. I own many portazones, and lots of things to build with. But I am getting segmentation violations sometimes a lot. And I fear getting booted by one of them and then my portazone will be out for hours without me and losing time while I beg to get back in to enjoy my project. So I can’t enjoy myself completely in There at this time.

    I was going to write down the module .dll failure that happened. Not sure if this is something you guys want from us or not. Maybe if I see SamSyn or whatever his name is I will tell him about it. I am sure There will be cleaned up as it once was and we can build in peace again. I have a lot of Christmas things so a Christmas portazone with snow is something I will be doing soon for the Holidays.

    • #168 by Analogrival on 2011.11.12 - 3:44 am

      Always report crashes, bugs, and other issues that may negatively impact the game!
      Even the smallest report helps!

      Usually There actually logs it’s own crashes.

      Goto your C:\Makena\There\ThereClient folder (Assuming you installed it into the default location.)
      There you should see files starting with “crashdump”

      Note the date and time they were created, so you can attach the proper one.

      Create an email with the attached crashdump if possible (if one wasn’t created, one wasn’t created).
      Include where you were and what you were doing.
      Add as much detail as possible, add anything you might think is relevant, no matter how weird it may seem.

      Send all this to

      • #169 by Brandy Elliott/Sishc on 2011.11.12 - 11:12 pm

        Ok I am not bad at computers but i clicked on the link for and it said that operation cannot be performed because the default mail client is not properly installed so now what do I do because i noticed along with others that the radios on that we try to play to let everyone listen is not working properly and noone else can hear them so do we have a fix for this?

  82. #170 by SaltySilver on 2011.11.11 - 5:21 pm

  83. #171 by softNdark on 2011.11.11 - 5:20 pm

    I’ve been very pleased with every thing during this Beta time. Thanks so much MW, SamSyn and Team Phoenix For all you have done to get back going + restoring my things.

    Just let me know when to pay…… smile : )

  84. #172 by AgapeLove on 2011.11.11 - 5:02 pm

    I try not to abuse the “drop trick” in an excessive way; I know that in kantana when a lot of people had paz’s out before, my larger ones wouldn’t fit. I also did not want to stick out onto roads. Usually Items were just slightly over, but I really don’t like using it as some items go out how they want and you can’t really adjust them.

    I just wondered if we are going to get a “head up” on when you will be picking up paz’s ,charging etc. as my alt only has 5 days left on paz’s and I still need to transfer a few things from that one. I already had everything transferred but gave something’s back as I wanted to make use of an awarded portazone.

    I would hate to pay for a whole month on that one just so I can get it out for 5 minutes to transfer a few things. But I like the idea of how we can transfer things on avatars we haven’t gotten into the world yet. I guess I’m glad that the others did not have a high enough skill. Agape’

    • #173 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.12 - 9:21 am

      It doesn’t matter that they didn’t get in world yet, if you reclaimed them already it means the inventory has been transferred. So you’ll have to pay 10 a month to bring any reclaimed avatars in the world with a silver or less pass.

      • #174 by Nekoxanime on 2011.11.12 - 3:24 pm

        Well that is what I don’t understand, as all they have in the IM is clothes, no other inventory ,not even drinks.
        I thought that they had to actually get in world to get their inventory back which means it might still be possible to use the free transfer method? If the Inventory has already been transferred, where is it?

      • #175 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.13 - 7:14 pm

        Nah you only see clothes in thereIM, but if you look at your transaction history all other items are already migrated to you and will instantly be in your things once in the world. The only way the new tool works is if you have not reclaimed the avatar. Which to me is almost a waste of effort cause a majority of everyone reclaimed all avies they could remember the passwords to by now.

      • #176 by AgapeLove on 2011.11.14 - 4:17 am

        Well I feel bad now. Since I kept a note book with all the passwords ,emails etc of the familys accounts, I thought I would get a jump on things and have our avies ready for what ever came “down the pike”. I never dreamed that my efforts to be helpful would be cost my family extra expense! 😦

  85. #177 by joseph on 2011.11.11 - 4:34 pm

    awwwwwwww u didnt say anything about 11.11.11 mw

  86. #178 by Ltbigdog There on 2011.11.11 - 4:27 pm

    About the alts, that kind of sucks for the ones that already reclaimed their mule, alt, or what ever you want to call them. Too bad there wasn’t some other way to get your inventory instead of paying the months fee. I wouldn’t mind one bit if I had a bunch of stuff to move over that might take a few days but the few items I do have on alts, I not sure if its worth paying the ($10 a month fee or what ever its going to be) fee to get a few items. Have you considered something like a one day pass for a $1 or 2, It would be a plus for the ones that have reclaimed there avies and don’t have much. Who knows this idea might be more of hassle then its worth.

  87. #179 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.11 - 4:14 pm

    Oh did I mention!!!

    I was excited but all the drama has deminished my excitement.. FUN and Pleasure should be first and foremost.. You Pay to Play and have fun.. NOT to get into Drama sessions and concerns of Moderations and Violations or Banning of members. let the doors Open .. welcome us with ” Aloha ” talk to us about a possible Violation, we are human we can hear you and some of us will even listen to reasonable requests if they are being made and they’re fairly imposed on all.

    STOP looking for the drama , stop looking at the negatives.


    IMAKOS (Leilani)

  88. #180 by xSnoopy on 2011.11.11 - 4:13 pm

    The majority of pickles I saw, were NOT “drop tricked” but were “projected” This is an entirely different method of placing an object outside of a Paz.
    Please check with the better builders before removing/modifying a tool that everyone, who has done any building, has used.
    I think you will find that there are not a lot of builders, that know how to project a pickle outside of a Paz.

    • #181 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.11 - 8:12 pm

      XSnoopy ‘tu

    • #182 by Flygirl_Dani on 2011.11.11 - 10:39 pm

      So Very true.. You know you can take away the drop tricking and leave people with double ,triple, drop houses with no way to align them together perfectly.. and still have pickles Outside their pazes… I think People should keep their pickles in their “paz’s” !!!

    • #183 by NathanAvis on 2011.11.12 - 10:00 am

      Hey Snoopy. Thanks for making the difference in what we call the “Put back” trick and “Projection” trick clear 🙂
      One let’s you replace a legitimately dropped item with one that exceeds the boundaries or placement.
      Another works along the same premise except you can potentially drop that object ANYWHERE in the world from any non-static zone.

      A lot of mammoth sized projects used projection (space stations and roadways spring to mind).
      A lot of personal zones just used the put back method as it was mostly housing, extra plants etc.

      Projectors tend to invest a lot in developer items (esp. space developers). They do not invest in disposable things as much though such as rent.
      The opposite is usually the case with put back droppers.

      One thing to bear in mind is if we are all going to be buying TBux direct from the vendor and subscriptions are coming in there is no need to rely solely on the income of real estate rentals. To take projection away is likely going to mean taking the put back method away as well. And if you take those away it will likely mean projectors investing in less objects and rent, though you will still get the same amount roughly from those who only use the put back method if a little more. It’s down to you guys to figure out whether or not the bug affects the quality of the service enough or if removing it is the going to increase profit or ironically reduce it.

  89. #184 by Barney S. on 2011.11.11 - 4:09 pm

    Hi everyone, i saw today something i wanted to share here for people to enjoy. In this video from the TV series Royal Pains you can see a bunch of different videos from There running in the background. Go to 40:46 that’s where it starts.


  90. #186 by maverickfred on 2011.11.11 - 3:48 pm

    G/DAY great job TEAM PHOENIX and MW thanks for the update nerly there every one .

  91. #187 by Gail M Feldman on 2011.11.11 - 3:35 pm

    i wish i had known about the recovery tool; i did reclaim alts and i have one whose stuff i have not yet transferred, and another which strictly speaking doesn’t belong to me — it’s my boyfriend’s and he doesn’t want to play anymore and wants me to have his stuff. i am the one who created his account to begin with and i gave him an awful lot of what he has. we’ve begun the process of transferring items but NOT counting clothing, there were 4100 or so items! we have not gotten very far. is there ANY way to use the recovery tool on those two avies even though the avies have already been claimed?


  92. #188 by shiningknbighgt1955 on 2011.11.11 - 3:34 pm

    Picked up the 2 PAZs I had out today…Would want to give all a fair chance and not be a “Sooner” as we call them here during the land rush of Oklahoma…Look forward to seeing the results of your hard work Phoenix Team completed….thanks so much for re-opening There MW.

  93. #189 by JasonMK on 2011.11.11 - 3:15 pm

    Love the Recovery Tool idea, great thinking. I assume if your alt has gender specific items (clothing) they will not transfer cross-gender?

    • #190 by Basya on 2011.11.12 - 11:07 am

      I remember having a few male garments in my female inventory but were unusable. Mainly due to the fact that as a designer I was given the original as a matter of routine. So, I would think all articles — regardless of gender — would be transferred. You could always give them to a friend or even sell them at auctions.

  94. #191 by CardSharkRay on 2011.11.11 - 2:59 pm

    why not bann the asshole mr pickle and leave the drop trick alone now its ruined not going to be enjoyable in there any more just becouse of aka mr pickle i think its philt … AGE CHECK ON MR PICKLE I THINK UNDER 18 TO DO ALL THAT CRAP AND BE OVER 18 I DONT THINK SO IN MY OLD DAY I ACTED LIKE A ADULT WHEN I WAS 18 NOT 12 JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH

    • #192 by AgapeLove on 2011.11.12 - 4:13 am

      In defense of “Mr Pickle”

      Although it looks like he got himself into a “pickle” I don’t think that we need to curse at him or even ban him!
      If this is the person I ,am thinking of he was my new next door neighbor at the Community garden. He was minding his own business and planting a crop of giant cucumbers when There closed !

      All his work was for nothing and his plants were “killed”. What we are seeing now I think are the “spirits” of all those dead pickes! I think the angry pickle spirits will only be put to rest when all the paz’s are pickled up! Perhaps we can direct farmer Pickle back to his plot of land in the community garden where he can farm to his hearts content.

      It is nice to see someone having fun and has he really done that much harm? I’m sure that he is only testing out new varieties of pickles and will probably be more settled down when he can put out his roots into “There proper” after the official reopening ! Agape’

      • #193 by AgapeLove on 2011.11.12 - 6:38 am

        Oh yea thats right there is no “Community Garden” any more; its empty !:) Lets work on getting that reoppened for all of the displaced gardeners/ farmers etc. Then we won’t have to be wondering arround looking for fertile ground and getting into trouble!

  95. #194 by Rick on 2011.11.11 - 2:49 pm

    hm mr wilson, i once had to pay a fee to get unbanned, however one of my avatars remained banned even after i paid, so im wondering will i be able to reclaim that banned’s avatar inventory to my main? thanks

  96. #195 by Ltbigdog There on 2011.11.11 - 2:48 pm

    Thanks a lot Mr. Pickle (and yes I know who you are). I used that drop trick for one thing and that was to place a rock at the entrance of my zone, where there is a no drop zone around it. He may of been a good designer but when it comes to brains that’s questionable. Oh and don’t forget the pickles over the Welcome Walkway, over one of the pyramids in Egypt, and on top of cluckies temple .

    And on side note for the ones that don’t know there are/were 2 different drop tricks the normal one that is used buy many builders, including the old staff. Then the one that you could place a item about where ever you wanted in world. I’m pretty sure the main part of MW’s post is referring to the second one but guess we will have to wait to find out if he means both are gone.

    So yes I’m not happy with Mr. Pickle.

  97. #196 by Sleestak on 2011.11.11 - 2:45 pm

    “so long as that inventory has not already been claimed.” I have an alt avatar that i can connect to ThereIM with but not the 3D world because it has a bronze funpass, does that mean the alts inventory has been claimed? will i be able to use the tool to get that alts inventory?

  98. #197 by Will on 2011.11.11 - 2:36 pm

    Hey MW, keep up the good work!
    But I feel that new people joining there will not know what it is like before they spend money on it to buy it monthly, so I was thinking that you can have a basic account, but for only say 2 hours or so.
    This will give the new visitors to there a taster on what they will spend their money on.
    Please get back to me :’)

  99. #198 by kelayna on 2011.11.11 - 2:02 pm

    I reclaimed my daughter’s avatar, who is 18 but is busy to use She has a silver account, and I really has wished to reclaim the items on her avatar. How is this to be done, or will i have to pay for that avatar to do the transfer?

  100. #199 by Esky on 2011.11.11 - 2:00 pm

    So there’s no plans to fix the give bug in ThereIM before the virtual world subscriptions start?? My alts have been reclaimed, but they only have 1 or 2 things I want anyway. They’re only bronze fun pass so they can’t log in to the virtual world – or will that change before charging starts?

  101. #200 by Christy Clendenen on 2011.11.11 - 1:59 pm

    My alt mule ( Prem acct) Palerider is still banned ( thank you Stohly!) I assume we wont be able to claim inventory from a banned acct? I will be happy to pay a fine or restitution or pretty much anything you want * grinz* I hope that after the world gets open we can have banned avatar court or something : )

  102. #201 by B_A_B_S on 2011.11.11 - 1:57 pm

    Mr. Pickles sucks. ‘sad

  103. #202 by freecreed on 2011.11.11 - 1:49 pm

    The drop trick when you leave things meters away from the PAZ has to do with racing the avatar backwards .. I’ve not seen many using that trick , I hate to see the drop trick go .. maybe you can adjust that one aspect and leave the ” tolerated drop trick ” alone

  104. #203 by YankeeintheSouth on 2011.11.11 - 1:47 pm

    ((Applauds)) I’m happy to hear all the hot spots will be home again! Thank you for that! Very excited for There to reopen! ‘Tu to you all 🙂

  105. #204 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.11.11 - 1:27 pm

    Quoting myself from your Q&A section Michael..

    “The other possibility is instead of merging the inventories, how about merging associated avatars (owners that can prove all accounts belong to them) into one account. The user would log into said account, then be able to choose what avatar name to be logged into world and keep that avatars inventory in tact. Of course this would only allow the user to have one avatar at a time (that is claimed to that account) instead of having multiple computers/clients open to use different avatars at the same time. ”

    Was this idea not fully explored and now we are forced to claim our alternate avi’s inventories instead? I would much rather have access to ALL of my avatars instead of just their inventories. It can’t be much harder to create a single account system to attach multiple avatars to than to create some inventory merging program. Please take another look at this suggestion as I think you will have many more happier customers in the long run.


    • #205 by Michael Wilson on 2011.11.11 - 1:46 pm

      You’re not forced to do anything.

      We may implement this other solution at a later time, but it’s faster to do the other first.

      • #206 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2011.11.11 - 2:23 pm

        Thanks for the reply,

        If this other solution is even possible in the future then I’d be very pleased. I just think it would be silly to pay the monthly fee to keep all our inventory, but not all our avatar names. I realize that paying more than one monthly fee would solve this, but then again I’m only one person, so why pay more than one fee? ‘shrug

        I agree that we are not forced to do anything, so that was a poor choice of words on my part, but it does severely limit us on our options. For example: I have a main character, a hosting avatar, and a land owner avatar that I’d like to keep. I would really prefer NOT to merge these large inventories into one avatar if possible so I can keep better track of items in world. It would really be a hastle to move these items now and then have to move them all back again later if I’m able to afford 2 or more monthly fees (or if my other suggested option becomes available as well.)

        Anyway, I’m sure you and the team will do well with whatever the outcome is. I just want to be worth it’s weight just as the other online games are that have monthly fees and multiple characters per account.

        Thanks again 😀

      • #207 by Basya on 2011.11.11 - 9:49 pm

        Thanks for the update and the opportunity to reclaim our alts’ inventories. However, I’m a bit confused. I did re-register my alts in the ThereIM but since they were still bronze or even lower, they were unable to get into There proper. Does that mean that I will be able to “reclaim” their inventories using the reclaiming inventory tool? Does that include any Therebucks left in those accounts? Will you at this time delete all those therebucks left in my primary avatar account owed to you?

        Thanks again,

      • #208 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.12 - 9:42 am

        I’m surprised nobody has mentioned that “To give everyone a fair shot at land-claiming” only applies to gold and platinum fun pass avatars that gets in the world before actual opening. None of us Silver passes have a remote chance to get the more wanted lad because those in the world now have their paz set back features saved to all the most wanted spots. They will get in world just as fast as the doors open to all and within seconds they will have their paz’s set back where they have them right now. While some of us have to get in, then buy tbux, then buy a paz, then teleport and explore to find these spots, only to find they were all taken thirty minutes ago.

      • #209 by Michael Wilson on 2011.11.12 - 10:14 am

        You are all assuming we’re going to pre-announce the opening, or that the # of logins will be unlimited when we open.

        Heck we might even decide to do it in reverse alphabetical order, except for “x” which will be last.

      • #210 by Andrew Almeida on 2011.11.12 - 9:44 am


      • #211 by YankeeintheSouth on 2011.11.13 - 2:22 am

        Alphabetical Order??? That would put me at the end of the line! Oh your so cruel MW… so cruel! haha 😛

      • #212 by jimony on 2011.11.18 - 8:40 pm

        Considering how many put X’s before and after, I think you would be somewhere in the middle, Yankee. Michael? Can I change my avatar name to aimony?

    • #213 by HiddenTalent on 2011.11.11 - 2:22 pm

      Good idea, i useto play a sports game online where you paid subscription then you had other accounts inside that you could choice to play in.

      • #214 by Barney S. on 2011.11.12 - 10:54 am

        Andrew makes a great point. You can’t really give everyone a fair shot at land-claiming if you don’t let everyone log in before the final re-opening.

      • #215 by jimony on 2011.11.20 - 3:26 pm

        Letting all login before they open to claim spots now would make no difference; Those who have a spot claimed already still have first choice. By picking them up before opening, this gives all a more equal choice.

        Removing all put backs before opening would be even fairer.

        It is arguable whether those who were allowed in deserve the first choice on spots; Pro – they helped find bugs; Con – everyone wanted to help but only a few were allowed/able to, so we were already rewarded just by getting to be in-world.

    • #216 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.11 - 4:54 pm

      The idea of ‘sub accounts’ is still on the table, but is much more work than it may sound like, and we don’t feel you would like to wait on that before we open.

      Also, subAccounts don’t solve the ‘mule’ problem since we would need to mandate only one of your avatars was logged on at a time, and hence you would not be able to transfer items between them.

      We would rather implement a ‘cold storage’ feature (where you could move possessions in and out of storage, so your avatar’s pockets only contained the stuff you really wanted to carry with you at all times). (and in that context, it would be logical to give all sub accounts access to your storage)

      But that’s a foochur feechur koncept.

      • #217 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.11 - 8:24 pm

        This is my question, what if you have 4 Members in the same house hold on 4 different computers networking ? How can recognize each computer so not to confuse the Avatars with the the single family Modem? I have my 3 avies, My husband has his avatar, MY son ( 25 years old) has His avatar and my Niece ( 26 Yrs) has her avatar.. I don’t want theirs attached to my account .. I hope you use MAC IPs verses ISP

      • #218 by Sassybeme There on 2011.11.11 - 10:47 pm

        Ok cool. I feel better knowing it is possible at least later if can’t be now for subs. I would so dig the storage. I can’t imagine any one not liking the idea. I have no clue the amount of work involved. Nor would I care to pretend too. I’ll wait. 🙂

      • #219 by Basya on 2011.11.12 - 11:02 am

        Oooh! I would definitelly like that “cold storage” feature if it is ever implemented!!

      • #220 by Susan Van Brundt Redlin on 2011.11.13 - 8:09 am

        ‘handup I vote for cold storage, be nice to not have to carry 50 buggies when I can only drive one, etc. Would also be great for storing my champagne, beer and a rather smelly sushi tray.

        Question: with the new Cloud system, will large inventories cause lag? So far I haven’t noticed any, but haven’t done any racing, just puttering around my house.

        Thanks again, kids, hope we get in soon!

        Jane_Austen, JaneAusten and JaneAusten_Too and Susie_Red (all RED nametags!)

      • #221 by OdileS on 2011.11.16 - 3:55 am

        This totally sounds like an excellent idea…My alts would not have to die that painful pixallated death! And yes, it’s much better that the world opens first and the alt-cold storage theory be put on the back burner until whenever….but the idea sounds wonderful…. OdileS AKA MmeOdile AKA MsAhniUS

      • #222 by jimony on 2011.11.20 - 3:30 pm

        “Cold Storage sounds like a great idea, but I feel bad for the dogs people will put there. Can you provide them with coats and footies?

  106. #223 by SaltySilver on 2011.11.11 - 1:08 pm

    I’m not for making laws because someone else can’t follow them. It only punishes the ones that do things in moderation or right. Where is the big black box or the Carbonite you been talking about? The world is not even open and we are talking about restrictions? I hope when people are putting there money on the table, maybe they will think twice before making a violation.
    my 2 cents.

    • #224 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.11 - 3:45 pm

      Salty I agree with you on this, I am afraid that we are looking too much at violations and talking about banning members before the doors had even opened.

      its hard to keep people on the positive when the focus is often times on all the negatives .. It might make people think about spending and how much they spend in fears of a repeat of the past.

  107. #225 by MikeCesar on 2011.11.11 - 1:07 pm

    Thanks for update MW. What will happen about There Houses, Clubs and Funzones? Can I get one now and keep it?

    • #226 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.11 - 5:05 pm

      There Houses, Clubs, and Funzones are currently being “held in reserve” for their original owners. If you owned a location in “old there” (and your rent was current as of closing day :-), then you should already be able to re-rent it in world today. Ditto for club names.

      We will NOT be un-renting such zones on the day we open again, so any such rentals at this point should be ‘safe’

      The trickier question is “when will you release the remaining rental reservations?”

      Ideally we might have some friendly system like:

      * you try to rent something
      * it is held in reserve
      * we give you an error message
      * we send an email to the old owner (if we can) indicating someone is interested in the property
      * we wait N days for them to return and re-rent it (or maybe there could be a link to release it, but that might be tricky to do with security if they have not re-created their avatar.)
      * If they don’t move, within time, to re-rent it, then we release it.

      And, of course, then you have to worry about the vigilante who triggers this on every house in the world (not necessarily a bad thing, but outside of the spirit of the concept)

      But clearly there is some point after which it is legitimate to just release all still-pending reservations (and that would be much less work on our part, so that’s always nice 🙂

      But any such deadline has to be measured only from the moment where we were open enough that they COULD return and re-rent it. And I’m sure such a deadline would be measured in weeks, not hours.

      • #227 by MikeCesar on 2011.11.12 - 3:35 pm

        Thank you so much Dan.

  108. #228 by Tumble_Weed on 2011.11.11 - 12:52 pm

    Thanks Mister Pickle :0( I don’t have alot of renters in my hood so I would fill the empty spots with trees etc.. But Mr. Wilson has to do what he has to do.. To bad all the other Avies have to suffer! That didn’t “ABUSE” the drop trick.

  109. #229 by toufovou on 2011.11.11 - 12:52 pm

    The recovery tool is a great idea. Also, this has been mentioned once before and I feel like mentioning it again -since you talked about abandoned avatars-, there should be a delete account option so we can delete alt accounts that we don’t want to have anymore so maybe some new users can have them.

    • #230 by jimuari on 2011.11.11 - 2:34 pm

      I agree. Its too bad that some people feel the need to abuse the system or become griefers. We all suffer for the actions of a few. We need to step up and police things ourselves. Not with silly police uniforms etc. but by telling these people that what they are doing is not appreciated and is wrong. It wont stop them if thats their intent but it is much better than just looking the other way. Those pickles suck and if they shouldnt be there perhaps the pickles should be removed along with the person who dropped them. Just my thoughts. thanks.

  110. #231 by Truck Thereian on 2011.11.11 - 12:28 pm

    Ok i like the idea of the Recovery tool, but here is a question i have asked months ago. Will the alts designer item be transfered to the main avie for listing? i have some designer submissions i did on others i like to have transfered to my main avie. of will i have to resubmit then when the designer program reopens?

    • #232 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.11 - 5:13 pm

      One of the many many things required to bring the developer program back online is to bind the old developer ids to new developer Ids, and move all the existing developer products over appropriately. And deal smoothly with the “original developer has not yet returned” scenario.

      We’ve been thinking along the lines that the old and new developer would have the same name. I.e. your ‘main’ would be your developer avatar. As opposed to “this new avatar name hereby declares ownershop of this old, and different, avatar name” which just adds one more complication (and messes up your ‘brand’ anyway, so you probably don’t want to do that either)

      But none of that is concrete at this point other than our commitment to resurrect your developer portfolios as close as possible to their original state.

  111. #233 by Please_Dont on 2011.11.11 - 12:26 pm

    Taking away our out drop trick is unacceptable. Many of us build large paz communities. Without the trick, there is no way to butt our items paz to paz. As for myself, I build large buggy layouts, with race track road sections paz to paz. As well large buggy multi paz multi-level layouts. No drop trick kills all my layouts dead for sure!!!

    I must have paz to paz ability to build smooth road sections for tracks.

    Another reason we had need of this trick, cause you would never sell large paz’s like the 200x200s. With decent rent prices.

    You did bring into the game the 110×110/100 PortaZone. The rent is to high!

    As you see from the prices
    64m x 64m PortaZone, allows up to 100 drops. 30-Day Refills are 48,240T = 2 of these is 128m at 96,480T

    Where as…..
    “110m x 110m PortaZone, allows up to 100 drops. 30-Day Refills are 78,480T. = 2 of these is 220m at 156,960T

    Where as my
    200x200s that I own are 30-Day Refills are 72,000T

    They work great, but the rent is way to high to leave out!

    Now when I mean large layouts! PEOPLE I mean large layouts!

    The Neighborhood I owned did help! But I had so many problems with the hood. Dear God I can’t even began to talk about that mess. An still the hood rent is way to high just to build layouts. I paid hood rent for 2 years just use it for large layouts.

    Mr. Wilson, I have great respect and care deeply for you and your team. This game means allot to me and others.

    How about you fix the code so items cant be drop just so many meters outside the paz. I know that would be some heavy code! Maybe this could be at the top of a the wish list!

    Keep up the great work!!!!

    • #234 by NathanAvis on 2011.11.11 - 1:24 pm

      This would be a sensible solution to what is being treated as a case-by-case matter.

    • #235 by IMAKOS on 2011.11.11 - 4:00 pm

      I drop about 15 to 20 pazones in a COVE I need to use the drop trick to be able to place things on the side of mountains and to keep monthly rents down it is impossible to connect the pazones without trickdropping from one onto another..

      you can’t make a RULE ” No trick dropping ” and make it a case by case bases.. some will definitely feel singled out. If a rule is NO trick dropping then the rule should be enforced across the board..

      but if tolerated than it should be left alone.. this is a difficult situation .. because it has been tolerated for so long and NOW an enfocement will be imposed . I am worried I or someone else would get banned cause my avie burped at the wrong person and I get banned cause that person hated my burp and singled me out for a Moderation even worse banned me for trick dropping( they found a reason).

    • #236 by softNdark on 2011.11.11 - 4:36 pm

      I am ‘a bit’ new to There…

      Are your hoods, on land or in the sky? Because I thought the pickles MW was talking about were in the sky?

    • #237 by Dan Samuel on 2011.11.11 - 4:42 pm

      I’m sorry if my text was unclear:

      “but we can’t allow a terrestrial paz to have pieces *significantly* outside of its boundary rope — as are the giant pickles in Duda Bay (hundred of meters outside their paz).”

      We’re not talking about the distance required to butt pazes together, we’re talking about a pickle hundred of meters from its small paz. You can assume we will try to be ‘generous’ but not to the point of making the land-rental system irrational. What’s to stop you from dropping your pickle not only far away, but actually inside someone else’s living room?

      And when I say “dropping YOUR pickle” I am NOT calling you Mister Pickle… just inventing a term of speech 🙂 Oh, let’s make that “Mister Pickles”.. sounds more like a pet name.

      • #238 by ImageMaker on 2011.11.12 - 9:04 am

        Based on the complaint and other comments, it looks as if “projecting” items is the problem exploit, not the “put back” trick that’s (for instance) necessary to allow a drop zone in a sky PAZ, so people who teleported there can put out a vehicle (hoveboat to fly away, hoverboard for high jump tricking/skilling, etc.) or to bridge between PAZes. I’ve got one item (“20 M Overhanger Deck”) specifically made for hanging out of a PAZ — but hanging 10 or 20 meters out isn’t abuse; projecting a pickle onto the top of the Tyr Tower Great Crystal IS abuse — and as such, ought to subject the abuser to moderation (offending PAZ layout cleared and picked up, abuser restricted from dropping PAZ for a period of time, etc., with possibility of a limited, long-term, or permanent ban for repeated abuse).

        At the very least, be sure you’re “fixing” the right “bug” — apparently, projecting something that far from a PAZ is a significantly different technique from “put back” dropping a deck that runs a few meters over the PAZ ropes (and one I never learned).

  112. #239 by OdileS on 2011.11.11 - 12:10 pm

    Mr Pickle!!! You are under arrest!!!! rofl rofl bad man!!!!

    • #240 by OdileS on 2011.11.11 - 1:57 pm

      Actually I want to rephrase this: Mr Pickle, You are under arrest!!!! You are NOT nice! and I am not Rolling on floor this time….You have made it hard for others who are here and innocent…man!

  113. #241 by 12mandy on 2011.11.11 - 11:55 am

    i hope its ok to ask,how long after you open will we be able to rent island hoods,thanks,mandy

  114. #242 by Sassybeme There on 2011.11.11 - 11:52 am

    The tool sounds cool if you have like 40 alts or some thing. I only had a few. Two I can’t remember the passwords to yet. I had HOPED the possible delay in claiming alts would give us some thing different. Like my favorite female alt could have an extra sub male account to test with. Any plans or possibilities on this? Or has this been a totally fubar idea?

  115. #243 by William Grass on 2011.11.11 - 11:47 am

    Yeah! Getting closer and closer.

  116. #244 by 12mandy on 2011.11.11 - 11:44 am

    thanks michael and samsyn for update and all staff for hard work they have done
    getting close now i think,

  117. #245 by mimi06 on 2011.11.11 - 11:39 am

    I like this alot.. wish my brain had thought of it rofl.. I will relay to my spanish friends, they too will be pleased. And I guess I should retrieve my pazs, I got carried away being in the good days. Anyways, thank you this is a great solution! Can’t wait. Would this mean it would be ok to register the “underage” in my family to retrieve as well? My grandson has alot of my things. No biggie if not. thanks

    • #246 by OdileS on 2011.11.11 - 12:07 pm

      * Mimi, My thoughts too on my granddaughters avies!!!!! yes! I let our granddaughters play with my stuff..yes..if you said…no biggy..oh well…out of luck! rofl

      • #247 by mimi06 on 2011.11.11 - 12:39 pm

        rofl Odile I am greedy huh.. I know they cant come back and play. Only asking if I can register them and “grab” my things and run.. leave the avies till they are of age. At this point, it wouldnt matter, like a friend said, “I would of returned even without the “give back of stuff” in my tighty whities if need be”. Danny happens to have my buggies, my pazs my dogs rofl.. either way just asking if we’ll be able to register them take it and run rofl.. I am actually loving this “no kid” rule.. and they understand it as well. I only had a few alts, one I used just for THERE games and if those return I would be happy to PAY to use it. The other no biggie.. Here’s a question tho. Last night I paid up 2 weeks on the home point paz for our community. The transaction does show, but the weeks haven’t been added as of yet. Is there a delay in the added times now for pazs? Just wondering thanks 🙂

  118. #248 by suziequeen on 2011.11.11 - 11:33 am

    Fantastic news. Thanks for this great update.

  119. #249 by shanghei on 2011.11.11 - 11:25 am

    has a workaround been developed yet for those who can’t remember passwords (and didn’t have secret questions set up) for their accounts? i have two alts which i would like to use that recovery tool on, but i don’t have the password for one, and i can’t remember the email i used for the other.. thanks !! and thanks for all you and your team are doing !!

  120. #250 by NathanAvis on 2011.11.11 - 11:06 am

    Loving the Migration Tool idea. Will you be able to transfer skill tickets with that? It would make sense not to but that would be nice 🙂 a gimme, if you will!

    About the drop trick, Mr. Wilson….is *significant* a subjective term? Because I always considered neatly arranged, non intrustive textured objects no more than 100m outside the paz as *moderate*. If that is not moderate, I’m sure others as well as myself with adhere to your new codes of construction!

    I tried to keep the sacred area “Sacred” in Duda but there was only so much free time and tbux on my inventory lol. Glad the sacred is likely to return. It kept us all in check.

    Any word on billing?

    Thank you for your update 🙂

    • #251 by migman on 2011.11.11 - 12:05 pm

      Read the entire update Slooowly and Carefully and there will not be a need for repeated questions.

      (Hence, you should recreate your PRIMARY avatar, but leave your alts alone until this tool is available. Your primary avatar should be the one you enjoyed the most, had your favorite name, all the skills you enjoyed, and your favorite buddy list. (because when you claim the inventory of an alt, all you will get is the inventory (and that will not include the alt’s skills or skill reward items, if any)). meaning you Do Not get your alts skill rewards.

      • #252 by NathanAvis on 2011.11.11 - 12:13 pm

        Thanks migman. It’s not often I miss something but thank you for so nicely pointing it out.
        That saves one question being asked again 🙂 could have been worse, could have asked something already overdiscussed like if under 18’s were allowed in (certainly seemed like I was doing that!) but thank you very much anyway.

  121. #253 by Okalnix on 2011.11.11 - 10:58 am

    Good tool for alts.

    And if needed by trade also oke np.

    Ty for the great update info.

  122. #254 by Bronnieb There on 2011.11.11 - 10:52 am

    All sounds fair 🙂 thanks….

  123. #255 by Hugsie on 2011.11.11 - 10:48 am

    ah had i known this i wouldn’t have re-claimed my alts in world already. Thing is we ARE playing for “free” now and I’ve already transferred as much as i cared to my main account from one of my alts already. And I’ll likely pay for my other alt, while my main beta account runs around for free. 🙂 Though it would be nice to associate my alts together to my main account and get perhaps a discount or something.

    Question is, on un-claimed alts that I’ve not re-activated, can i obtain their inventories on items that aren’t normally transferable, like skill rewards and such? I know i’ve made dozens of alts back in the day but i can’t even remember the names i’ve used.

  124. #256 by TherePercy on 2011.11.11 - 10:32 am

    Sounds fair, although I wish I had known the ‘recovery tool’ plan *before* I reclaimed some avatars to get their inventory 😦

    Great job though, Team Phoenix.

    • #257 by OdileS on 2011.11.11 - 12:09 pm

      I too reclaimed one of my alts..but another one is only silver pass..maybe that would work with the silver pass one?

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