The Engines of Progress

Here are the 4 things we’re working on right now:

ADNOueepcvietegnilh oobTnpoo er IrhTm ohaPoegrd eosPsg u r b a l m i c

(That’s really Auction Images, Developer Program, Neighborhoods and Open to the Public carefully interspersed so no one will get their panties in a bunch think we’ll be working on anything “Dead Last”. The truth is, we’re working on all of them at once.

1. Fixing Auction images, we’re waiting to roll a fix out to see if it fixes it.

2. For the Developer program, it’s a very complex thing to get you to the point to where you can re-submit your previously approved designs. You see, when your Avoid changed (that’s the 64-bit number unique to your avatar), it disconnected you from all of your old submissions, and all the little bits that go with them. It’s not a disaster, we just need to make sure we put all the bits together again correctly, which entails Samsyn writing a mind-dissolving script to basically toss all the new Avoids and Submissions up in the air, and then catch and assemble them (correctly) as they fall to the ground. You can understand that one can only work on something like this so long before they need to take a break and work on something easier, like discovering the Higgs Boson or Dark Matter.

3. For the Hoods, we’re actually pretty far along here, and will probably be able to drop a There-Owned Hood (like Santa’s Village) as a test. Once we’re sure that all works correctly, Bruce can spin up another server for some member hoods, and we can start restoring them in the order they sent in their emails requesting their hoods be restored.

4. Opening to the Public is actually the easiest thing to do, but we’re probably going to hold off on that.

How long? Well, we have to decide whether new users will be concerned about the landing areas being barren (Zona, etc) – because THAT requires Hoods, and/or if they will be dismayed by the high prices in Auctions (presumably because of the Developer program not working yet). I suspect that we’ll do it somewhere between Hoods and the Developer Program, but I’m not sure about that.

Now, to the less happy part of our program. A few reminders:

1. DO NOT share Avatars. We’ve already had at least two incidents where people shared Avatars, and then “broke up” (so to speak), and got into big fights over who owned what, and ask us (all 3 of us, who have nothing better to do) to resolve it. I’m sorry, but in those situations, we really can’t resolve these things, and we’re going to leave you to your own, 18 and over devices.

2. DO NOT share Avatars with Banned members. We know there are a couple that are running around doing that, and, trust me, we WILL find out, and not only will we ban the sharee avatar, we’ll ban the sharer to. It’s kind of like real life: If you give someone a gun, and they use it in a robbery, then you’re an accessory.

3. DO NOT use hate speech, and DO NOT expect us to fall for “hate-speech-expletive”-Oh-I’m-Kidding to work either. It doesn’t work for 7-year olds who say “You’re Stupid, just kidding”, it won’t work for you.

When I have better dates for the four projects above, I’ll let you know. I also owe you all an operating costs update, which I haven’t gotten to yet :-).

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  1. #1 by lilsneekie on 2012.02.10 - 3:53 pm

    i will work for free just to play the game call m,e ill come to u even if i have to live in my car i will plz give me the chance to help u out xxxxxxxxxx call me asap ill come to help free f chrge

  2. #2 by kazza123 on 2012.02.01 - 2:43 pm

    mmmmmmmm wot happened to the first come first serve bases on the funzones they are now all owned by there_hoods been waiting to buy one for ages now but still cant.. so wots happening with them theres a lot of peeps out there who would like to know the answer to this

    • #3 by BaphNagi on 2012.02.02 - 12:51 am

      Lifted from the “Please Read This” posting on the client as it boots in:

      * We have turned off the Rental Reservation System. All UN-RENTED FunZones have reverted to company ownership and been made available for 3rd party hosting.

      I think that about covers it!!

      “there_hoods” is simply the company entity for controlling the funzones until they are released to auctions, as I understand it at least…

      …..BaphNagi…..

  3. #4 by justagreatguy on 2012.02.01 - 2:40 pm

    I tried to get a funzone and I was one of the first to get logged in and When I got into the rent page for the funzone it said it was rented to (there_hoods) so I looked at 4 others I wanted and they are all rented to there_hoods, is this something of There is doing for some reason or is this a real person and if so how did this person get all 5 of the funezones and I could not get one?

    • #5 by justagreatguy on 2012.02.01 - 4:33 pm

      Mr. Wilson posted this on his blog,
      (The current plan is to release the reserved rentals on February 1st, 2012. That means if you have NOT reclaimed your There House or Zone by that date, it will be released for rental by whoever shows up to rent it).

      Samsyn says on Thumdar.com AFTER the rent update,
      (We will release most of these ‘funzones’ to members at some unstated future time though some unstated process (which will probably be an auction, since that’s what people seem to collectively feel is ‘fair)

      How is this fair when Mr. Wilson says “whoever shows up to rent it”.
      I’m all for There making money and I want There to make money but not by telling us one thing and doing another.

      • #6 by justagreatguy on 2012.02.01 - 6:10 pm

        If I was told we going to auction off the funzones BEFORE the rent update, I would of said great lets go to auction and that would of been the end of it. Now that we all know, I guess its over and whats done is done and i’m kinda sorry I wrote any of this. I’m not here for the drama!
        Thanks for all the hard work and bringing back There!!!

  4. #7 by LeeCarmen08 on 2012.02.01 - 1:32 pm

    Oh wow. I wasn’t aware sharing avatars wasn’t allowed. I’ll admit I DID help a friend transfer hundreds of items by going onto their account. Won’t happen again.

  5. #8 by Jh0ns0n on 2012.02.01 - 9:10 am

    When will banned people that have verified their ages be unbanned ?

  6. #9 by Snougee on 2012.01.30 - 8:11 pm

    Just a heads up to the DV owners DJ_hussey, gina angel and glitchy got the zone banned off for everybody are gaming the ratings system.

    • #10 by DJHussey on 2012.01.31 - 1:17 pm

      Um excuse me? How am I involved in any of this? I wasn’t involved in anyway?

    • #11 by Anonymous on 2012.01.31 - 1:24 pm

      Umm… DJ was afk, Gina was in the passenger seat, Had nothing to do with it, The host that was banning people was not mentioned soo you failed at trying to get them in trouble. The person your looking for isnt in your comment.

    • #12 by Hoverbiker on 2012.01.31 - 8:04 pm

      It’s so refreshing to see that there’s no minors in There now.

  7. #13 by CardSharkRay on 2012.01.30 - 7:49 am

    oh goody auctions are down again

  8. #14 by JDin707 on 2012.01.29 - 2:59 pm

    So I have followed with great anticipation the full return of There.com, but my core friends have not gotten the buzz about it the same way I have. Its a shame because I spent so many hours in here with them socializing and creating, I’ve forwarded all the information to them and their response has been lackluster. I have subscribed, bought tbux, and put my paz out for the last month or so hoping that a some point they will return. My question is to MW, when you get all the bugs out and things are running smoothly, (yes thank you guys for all the hard work and sacrifice) How are you going to market to the old users to bring them back, and generate new users, once you have There up and running….

    • #15 by Michael Wilson on 2012.01.30 - 8:30 am

      The problem with contacting the former users are manyfold: Most of the email addresses on file were bogus (or, as we’ve found recently, have been closed). Due to the high bounceback rate, it’s difficult for us to use mailing services to mass mail the old members because the service(s) detect the bounces, decide we’re a spammer, and shut us down. Also, there’s the issue of us sending unsolicited mail to old members – that’s generally regarded as SPAM.

      As for generating new members, we’re not sure of the plan here yet. In the past we tried advertising (expensive, and ineffective), refer-a-friend programs (ineffective), refer-a-friend programs with rewards (ineffective), TV advertising (indirectly – effective, but members don’t stick). We’ve done a lot of different ways of marketing There, and have a lot of data on what doesn’t work. We’re still thinking about that one.

      Fortunatly, we’ve got a few things to do before then (Hood, Developer Program, etc).

      • #16 by Jdin707 on 2012.01.30 - 8:51 am

        Thanks MW, I did not even think about the email spam issue, I’m wondering if maybe a forum somewhere you could track and maybe receive information based on comments made by current users of There on why some or most of their friends have not got the bug to return. I may have not stated that correctly, hope you understand what I meant. I am not sure, I would hope that a majority long time users would want to comeback, maybe the time in between when There closed and it eventual full reopening the long time users have simply found other things (worlds, games, life issues) to not come back…I don’t know. As much time as myself, and say my core in games friends spent, I would think they could not wait to return, but I am seeing them not.

      • #17 by Michael Wilson on 2012.01.30 - 12:41 pm

        I think that once the hoods are back and auction prices are more “normal”, it will be more attractive to former users. I can certainly see someone who used to pay for a hood or lot understanding why we need to charge $10/month subscription, and rejoining once they can rejoin their hood.

        Also keep in mind that a lot of our former, non-paying members were minors, and they won’t be coming back because (a) they’re under 18, and/or, (b) they don’t have the money to spend. While it’s sad they’re not here, the offset in support costs is why we can be open at all.

  9. #18 by Joe_R203 on 2012.01.29 - 12:34 pm

    I see the half pipe, BABS Tower and blue platforms are back at Paiz. But in regards to the platforms……….it needs another ramp and the ramp that is there already is facing the wrong way. Pretty hard to jump a buggy to the top platform if the ramp is aimed out at the water and not the next platform.

  10. #19 by jimony on 2012.01.28 - 9:20 am

    “ADNOueepcvietegnilh oobTnpoo er IrhTm ohaPoegrd eosPsg u r b a l m i c”
    Is there an actual code that deciphers this? Have you considered selling it to the CIA?

    • #20 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.29 - 7:59 am

      I guess you could consider it steganography; it’s four separate clear text items merged together. Look at every 4th character, starting with the first, for one item, starting with the second for the next, and so forth. The CIA has a lot better encryption available… 😉

  11. #21 by alexandria3178 on 2012.01.27 - 12:03 pm

    I have had an idea that is completely non-original to THERE.com but is an idea that might help spread the word. and aleviate the try-before you buy quandry of getting people in THERE.

    When I first joined THERE, I didn’t download it from the internet. I requested a CD to try the world. It installed ther and I was given a free trial.

    how about creating these CD’s again, and instead of giving an in-world free trial, set it up so that people who installed the game, would be able to use an off-line version of the world that is self contained on their computer. They could have the various vehicles to try, and if they enjoy that, then they can join and be conencted to the on-line world.

    Not being a software engineer, I think that it would be simple to take the structure that you have now and create a what would be a virtual version of a virtual world for people to try before buying.

    • #22 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.29 - 7:35 am

      I think translating a world that runs live on multiple servers to a CD (or DVD) based single player game would be difficult and expensive, and further it would effectively give away a lot of the intellectual property that makes There what it is — terrain, buildings, landmarks, vehicles, and avatar creation/modification. Giving away the resulting disk, on top of the above, would make this a Very Bad Idea from the standpoint of making There a profit-making entity.

      Even if one limited things to a one each of male and female avatars, each type of vehicle, and a very limited terrain (say, Nada island only), much of the expense of translating from online to local game would remain, and the end result wouldn’t be at all a good representation of There as a virtual world — it might show the graphics and physics well, but those aren’t really the main thing that sells There; it’s the social aspect and the “unbounded” world (i.e. you can drive a buggy all the way around There’s world, if you choose, or fly a thousand kilometers or more out into space) that, together, set There apart from many other MMOs and graphical chat systems.

      What I think MIGHT solve the dilemma of the “free sample” would be to require subscription, but have a zero dollar initial payment instead of the current full initial payment. This would differ from “free trial” memberships as they once existed, in that it would require actually creating a subscription (i.e. having a confirmed PayPal account w/ permissible funding source, and giving matching personal information); this would also do a reasonable job of controlling against the “permanent free trial member”, since it would require a confirmed PayPal account for each free trial. New accounts would still only receive a “noob” outfit, starter hoverboard, and blue funpass until the first actual payment has been received. Obviously, this would only be sensible once There is actually operating at or above break even, but once that’s the case (which looks likely to occur in January, based on December’s partial month intake), it would (in my opinion) be a very sensible and, to There, low-risk way to offer a free trial without “giving away the world.”

  12. #23 by Mr_Perry on 2012.01.26 - 10:36 pm

    will be subscribing Feb 1
    hope it works for me better than IM
    or I will be asking for a cheerful refund.

    • #24 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.29 - 7:47 am

      Michael has said many times: there will be no refunds for anything. If you’re having IM problems, post them here or over on the forums at Thumdar’s place and get some help; it’s likely your problems are with your system or Internet connection, since many hundreds of people are using ThereIM successfully (not to mention a few thousand using the 3D world, which works about as well now as it ever did — i.e. for many of us, if not most, it crashes after a prolonged period of wandering the world, due to memory or resource leaks, but works very well before it hits your system limits, providing you have an adequate computer in the first place).

  13. #25 by iceange1 on 2012.01.26 - 4:24 am

    Hello everyone,
    It’s nice to see that progress is being made. I’m sorry about these few questions I have though since i haven’t checked on updates and am kind of lost. lol
    Well my first question is about subscribing, I saw that Mr.W said they already made some money so I was wondering where you have to go to subscribe?
    Another question is if anyone is allowed in the world yet and if so where to download it?

    Thanks a lot everyone. I cant wait to see you all again. =]

    • #26 by Dan Samuel on 2012.01.28 - 5:46 pm

      iceange1,

      Everything starts with a visit to http://www.there.com where you re-create your old avatar by creating a NEW one, but using the same name and password as the OLD one (as in Old There, I mean). (Currently you have to push that ‘Invite me now!” link to get started)

      That tells us you are returning avatar and we will then migrate your stuff, skills, favePlaces, etc during the next migration run (which we do once a day, monday-through-friday at the moment)

      The act of recreating your avatar should lead to an obvious client download page, but if it doesn’t, you can get the 3D client via a link along the bottom of the page (www.there.com)

      Your first login attempt will be challenged to authenticate your email address (all email addresses must be authenticated this time around). This just means that the login fails, but gives you a link to click which sends you an email. The email, once you receive it, has another link back to There.com which proves that the email worked.

      Then you can try to log in for real, but this login will also be challenged if you don’t have a subscription yet. And, in fact, this is how you get a subscription, You try to log in, get told you need a subscription, and click the link to get one.

      Clicking that link opens some pages talking about what a subscription is, and how if you cancel it, the cancellation takes effect *immediately* (a point several people have missed, so we mention it at every opportunity) and ultimately provides a button to go to PayPal and actually do it. (The subscription is actually managed by PayPal, who is the only one who ever sees your credit info). If paypal is happy with you, then they tell us and we love you, too.

      Of course, we would love you anyway, but we’re trying to stay in business this time around, so we have to be all grown up and commercial and stuff and junk.

      • #27 by Greenie on 2012.01.30 - 10:51 am

        Hi Dan, I’m trying to reclaim an ALT but I keep getting the following message when I click “Invite Me Now” : “Sorry to tease you, but apparently we’re not sending any more invitations at this time. Please try again later.”

        Am I missing something?

    • #28 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.29 - 7:55 am

      If you were a member before closing and not under moderation (i.e. banned), are at least 18 years old, and have a confirmed PayPal account linked to either a credit card or checking account, you need to start by retrieving your avatar: go to http://www.there.com and click the “invite me” link in the lower left. Once you’ve done that, you’ll receive the link in e-mail to download the client (be sure to read and follow the directions), and after 24 hours or so to allow the avatar retrieval to complete (and creating a subscription at first login, $10 from PayPal same date each month) you’ll be able to log in and enjoy the 3D world, reconnect with old buddies, etc. You’ll receive duplicates of all items and T-bucks that were in your inventory at closing (but not stuff you gave away etc.), all your old teleport bookmarks will be restored, and your buddy list will be populated with all previously present avatars that have been recovered by their owners.

      There isn’t yet accepting new memberships, but that’s in work, along with restoring the Developer program, neighborhoods, and fixing auctions. Once new memberships are opened up, there’ll be a link provided to download the client as part of creating the new member account; meanwhile, if you have a recovered avatar but lost the download link, you can log into There Central at http://www.there.com, and click “Get There” at the top of the page to get the current client installer.

  14. #29 by Lilia on 2012.01.24 - 2:24 pm

    What email should someone email in regards on issues retrieving an legacy account? feedback@thereinc.com?

    • #30 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.25 - 5:22 pm

      That’s pretty much all there is at this time. Include as much detail as possible — your name, avatar name, all the information you can give (other than old credit card number, which There doesn’t have to compare), and the e-mail you last had on record for the avatar, would be the minimum likely to do any good. If you don’t know the old password, however, don’t have access to the old e-mail to reset the password, and don’t have a secret question, you’ll have to wait in line until there are resources and a payment policy to research avatars that otherwise can’t be retrieved.

    • #31 by AgapeLove on 2012.01.26 - 2:23 am

      I think it is this website, see if this helps http://webapps.prod.there.com/scripts/legacy.py , or perhaps type in the word support where u have feed back , I think they used to have an email like that but not sure if it is still active see if that helps

    • #32 by Dan Samuel on 2012.01.26 - 2:51 pm

      The answer to “what email” is pretty much always “feedback@thereinc.com”

  15. #33 by Mercuria on 2012.01.24 - 12:46 pm

    Looking for my developer items prompted me to look at auctions. I did not know any items had been returned to developers but I see this listed:
    http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=5048030
    Is this a test or has an item been restored to an avatar for listing?

    Obviously, all developers are anxiously awaiting the return of our products so that we can begin listing them for sale and also for the reinstatement of the developer program so we can upload new content.

    How is this going to be rolled out? Will all developers get their items returned to them simultaneously or will this roll out incrementally? If rolled out incrementally who gets their items first?

    I guess I’m a little nervous now that we’re so close.

    • #34 by Michael Wilson on 2012.01.24 - 1:47 pm

      Well, we’re not sure who will be “first” yet, but we’ll probably pick a few developers in advance to make sure everything’s working.

      Contrary to popular belief, the developers who “test’ this won’t be exercising any modeling, texturing, or painting skills. This is nothing more that a “Data” operation where we make the old submissions available to you again for listing. So it doesn’t matter if you’ve made 1 object, 100, simple clothes, or hugely complex models – it’s all the same to this process.

      I don’t think “being” first gives anyone any advantage here does it? Because, you can only re-list your items, someone else being “First” isn’t going to let them list yours, is it?

      • #35 by Mercuria on 2012.01.24 - 4:02 pm

        I kind of figured you’d be taking on a few at a time to test the process. It’s not a matter of being “first” or “last” – I think it’s down to people (me?) getting antsy to get back to devving again.
        As far as re-listing auctions, I rather dread that lengthy process but it must be done eventually 🙂

      • #36 by Lady_Tigrane on 2012.01.26 - 10:13 am

        Btw.. Awesome Icon pic! You look cold tho!

    • #37 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.25 - 5:25 pm

      Mercuria, that’s an item from Latino_Boy1’s inventory that’s being offered at a price he’s pretty sure no one will pay, in order to put out his “want to buy” message and spread the URL link to his sky community. I’m pretty sure Latino_Boy1 didn’t design it.

  16. #38 by Fallax on 2012.01.21 - 9:10 pm

    Things are coming along great ..ty Michael and hard working team 🙂

  17. #39 by flygirl_dani on 2012.01.20 - 11:57 pm

    Im wondering if when the developer program opens up if it will be possible to get our models? Would be great seeing we all thought there was gone forever… LOL..

  18. #40 by cory on 2012.01.20 - 7:51 pm

    what about there for mac? i been running parallels, but its super laggy.

    • #41 by Jonathan on 2012.01.21 - 4:42 am

      If you’re using Parallels – Make sure you’ve set it to NOT use all the cores on your machine – seems to run smoother. Also, make sure you’ve only set about 1-2GB of RAM for the Parallels VM, seems to work alot nicer that way. I’m using VMware at the moment – seems to run nicer than parallels. I get 30fps with dx9 settings – and this is on an integrated graphics chip – 9400m!

      • #42 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.22 - 3:31 pm

        Michael has stated he uses a Mac client about half the time, but that bringing that client up to release status is a lower priority than getting the cash flow in order (which means real estate and developer programs). There will surely come a time, however, when they’ll need beta testers for the Mac client…

  19. #43 by softNdark on 2012.01.20 - 3:17 pm

    Sometime……..

    If you hold your mouth just right…. “you can hear the ‘gulls’…. aaahhhhhh”
    (then, I know that’s where to put down my paz)

    Thanks so much, Guy’s

  20. #44 by Charity_Grace on 2012.01.20 - 12:21 pm

    I recently purchased a PictureSurface sign from auctions and cant seem to get my pictures to upload from my FLICKR account, I am wondering if this is possibly because of the same issue with the auction pictures or something like that? I have tried posting every link I can find as well as msgd the person I purchased it from to ask for help and the way he did it is not working either. If it doesnt have to do with a bug or problem with there is it possible for someone to give me some pointers, much appreciated in advance xXxLilAngelxXx

    • #45 by McKensy on 2012.01.21 - 4:01 am

      From a post by Orielle in forum (http://thumdar.com/forum/technical-issues-bugs-and-testing/16874-picture-surface-signs.html#16874):

      Go to your Flickr account and select your picture.
      Right click the picture and select “View all sizes Medium 500”

      In IE right click the picture and select Properties. Copy the url address.
      In FireFox right click the picture and select “Copy Image Location”

      You should get something like this:

      Now take that url and add a . (a dot) between the words static and flickr so you get the following:

      Use your modified URL for the Flickr Photo URL field on the configure page for your PictureSurface Sign.

  21. #46 by adam on 2012.01.19 - 6:51 pm

    so the developer program is now up?

    • #47 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.22 - 3:31 pm

      No, last I heard they were in process of restoring it, more or less in parallel with restoring neighborhoods.

  22. #48 by Joselyn on 2012.01.19 - 7:02 am

    Ok I have been away and missed alot of the recent update so if this has already been asked and answered I’m sorry. I know in the update it says hoods for owners that requested they be redropped but will there be new hoods for people to buy that did now currently own one when There closed? I have owned one in the past but at closing I was not a hood owner and would LOVE to be one again. Thanks!

    • #49 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.19 - 12:41 pm

      I think a reasonable estimate on this is “eventually”. At present, the concentration is on getting things working the way they were before closing (on a completely new set of servers, which don’t have fixed addresses); at some point, after previously owned neighborhoods have been restored as requested, I’m sure there will be neighborhoods for sale (you might even be able to buy a ‘hood off someone who had one restored, once the restoration is complete and those deeds can once again be successfully traded).

  23. #50 by soledadnegativa on 2012.01.19 - 6:51 am

    Thanks for all the hard work and for the update.

    @XSnoopy

    I am very pleased to see that Dean and everyone else that cherishes his friendship has chosen to ignore your attempt to get a rise out of them while attempting to mask your response as a helpful gesture for the rest of the bloggers.

    Gratz

    • #51 by xSnoopy on 2012.01.22 - 4:29 am

      @soledadnegativa,

      There was no attempt, on my part, to mask my response as anything more than sarcasm.
      It’s good to see that Dean, in his moment of need, has at least one “friend” that is willing to do his talking for him.

      While I am on the subject of friends, I want to thank the residents of Zephyr that were willing to clear their Paz’s Friday night. It made for a great night of Paintballing. Even our self appointed King, Jonathan cleared his. Thanks Jonathan!

      Unfortunately one individual refused to clear his two Paz’s. He didn’t show up to participate in the fun either. He was sorely missed.

      • #52 by jimony on 2012.01.28 - 9:25 am

        It may have just been sarcasm, but I seriously didn’t know what Dean was talking about. I didn’t know what paz didn’t allow paintballing. Thanks for helping, XSnoopy!

  24. #53 by Soosi on 2012.01.18 - 5:24 pm

    Sounds great! Thank you for taking such great care to get things right plus always keeping us up to date. So much to look forward to. Cheers to all!

  25. #54 by Christy Clendenen on 2012.01.18 - 3:01 pm

    ^5 on the ” auction prices would scare a newbie” Things are way over priced and I have noticed that if I sell or resell something at the price I paid ( just to keep things kinda steady) the people who I previously bought it from buy it back from and jack up the price an additional 2-5k for the next person, if this keeps up were gonna have an economy crash. I have been on game since 2004 I pretty much KNOW what things are worth and right now things are listed WAY higher than they should be overall and people are buying because a lot may have sold their stuff when There closed or like me all the good stuff is on a shared MULE that’s not coming back in game or for many reasons. I have had to re-buy almost all of my house/paz items for this avatar and it’s really cost me : (

    • #55 by Joe_R203 on 2012.01.19 - 5:06 am

      I know what you mean. When they restored possessions the custom wheels from my vehicles were missing. My Scion Fuse concept car was the only one that had it’s custom paint job on when they restored it. Paint jobs cost as much as the cars. I’m missing all 5 Coupe paint jobs, an SUV paint job and a Muscle Car paint job. From what I’ve read on here, I’d have to pay There extra to look for these things that they were supposed to return in the first place. I could wait and see if the same paint jobs and wheels are offered in auction again. But who knows how long that’ll be. But one thing I do know……..it won’t be cheap. 😦

      • #56 by Puter_Head on 2012.01.19 - 10:54 am

        At least we got what all we did get back! They didn’t have to do that much!

  26. #57 by AKAUK on 2012.01.18 - 1:43 pm

    As for newbies landing in deserted places why not start the mentor program back up there is alot of us that still have out original mentor shirts that would be willing to help the new people me included would love to do something to help

    • #58 by JasonMK on 2012.01.19 - 7:12 am

      I still have my shirt(s). And would love to help out.

      • #59 by sue_g on 2012.01.26 - 5:16 pm

        ‘handup Me too!

  27. #60 by presencethere on 2012.01.18 - 1:17 pm

    I was a pretty new hood owner, I still have the lot in my inventory. Could someone please tell me how to indentify what hood it was, so I can e-mail and get it back?

    Thanks!

    • #61 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.19 - 12:44 pm

      There probably isn’t any way to do that by looking at it, but if you view the “configure” page for the deed, then right-click in a non-active area of that page and click “properties” on the resulting menu, you’ll see the old object ID at the end of the URL (about halfway down the properties box). Including that (and your avatar name, of course) in e-mail to feedback@thereinc.com should give There the information they need to put your neighborhood in queue to be restored.

  28. #62 by Bronnieb There on 2012.01.18 - 11:18 am

    Well done people! I totally agree in getting the hoods back up before new member subscriptions, teleporting in to nothing but terrain might not be very exciting…and we need to tempt them! Us newbies that joined in the last year (s) of There got the whole kit and caboodle….enough to become addicted 🙂 and we all need to make it a place they are going want to visit time and again!

  29. #63 by wizzle on 2012.01.18 - 10:57 am

    Really looking forward to the auction fix and developer items being available, i overestimated how many things i had to decorate my house.

  30. #64 by Scrooge on 2012.01.18 - 8:42 am

    Thanks Fab Four for all the work you’re putting in. Thank you Skippy for all the status updates, they are so appreciated. Thanks to all the members paying $$ and making this possible. ❤ I don't have a lot of time to log in but I manage to enjoy myself for the most part when I do. I love driving around and looking for There Testers even though there are none to find. I guess it's sort of like a nicotine patch in a way, I'm getting my fix without the fix.

  31. #65 by Francis_7 on 2012.01.18 - 7:16 am

    Wiht the Zona issue, could you not just drop a large Sacred PAZ over the island? Those were decoratable (not sure if they had a 30 or 50 limit though) and if I recall they did come in a 200×200 meter size. As far as the There Developments go Santa’s Village is an excelent choice! I hope once there is opned you will consider re-opening other developents like New Karuna Gardens and such.

  32. #66 by RK_Falagar on 2012.01.18 - 7:04 am

    Sounds good. We all just have to be patient 😉

  33. #67 by DDGQ on 2012.01.18 - 6:52 am

    Closer and closer to the grand reopening! It’s going to be a hell of a year! 😀

  34. #68 by Valhala on 2012.01.18 - 6:47 am

    I’m soo happy ”’yay that things are really roling! ‘rtr

    I’m still ‘sigh ing for the mac client! No news of it in a loooong time! ‘sad

    ‘hug s

  35. #69 by JasonMK on 2012.01.18 - 6:10 am

    We knew you were all busy working behind the scenes but too busy enjoying There to comment on it. Thanks again.

  36. #70 by YankeeintheSouth on 2012.01.18 - 5:19 am

    Great news! Hopefully this makes people a little happier! ‘tu

  37. #71 by Mark B. (Cowbellwalken) on 2012.01.18 - 4:59 am

    Thanks for the update!

  38. #72 by IndyLou on 2012.01.18 - 4:58 am

    I love this picture! Reminds me of my father who worked for a railroad company in the 50’s. He was always interested in trains. I sent my email request for hood restoration on 11/15/2011. I’m so looking forward to being able to get my art gallery back up and running properly. 🙂

  39. #73 by mimi06 on 2012.01.18 - 4:03 am

    Even Tho I don’t own a hood, or anything close to that, it will be nice to see more color splattered about the islands. I always loved to see the builds many do. Thanks for the update!

  40. #74 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.18 - 3:20 am

    I know neighborhoods are a significant income source for There, but I really haven’t missed them. There’s a lot to be said for NOT having my vehicle disappear because a place I could drive last week is now a no-drive zone.

    For that matter, was the income from ‘hoods really significant, compared to the resource cost to maintain them? They bring in $200 a month for the large ones (100 acres?); all the ‘hoods in There before closing can’t have brought in as much as $30,000 per month. What did they cost for server resources?

    • #75 by Analogrival on 2012.01.20 - 7:05 am

      I’m going to venture a guess and say it isn’t so much the raw income from hoods, but the margin.

      I think a hood would only take a small piece of database to set aside the zone and rules, then the contents would be the bulk after that.

      But maybe they did bring in a large chunk of income. I’m just spitting out theories.

      • #76 by Michael Wilson on 2012.01.20 - 7:49 am

        Sorry, but your theories are incorrect.

      • #77 by RRTT on 2012.01.24 - 6:30 am

        If i understand Neighborhoods correctly, they require their own set of servers in the world in order to support the dense collection of objects in the very small area. If I’m correct, when a hood is dropped, it is no longer simulated by the terrain server of the sector in which it is located, it is simulated by its own special hood server. I have no clue how many hoods can survive on one server, but I can’t imagine it being more than 6 or 7. So, in order to effectively place a hood in the world, they need to launch a new server or set of servers, which would increase their housing costs from amazon by at least $400/month. Then there is much time and effort that will go into creating and re dropping hoods again, though it seems SamSyn has created a script to make the process a little easier. Producing hoods will not only require more servers, but the labor to launch and maintain hoods will be significant. With all that goes into placing a hood into the world, and maintaining the server on which it runs, I can’t see the profit margin being near that of the developer system. I do believe that revenues will be much higher for there without third party resellers, however they will also have to buy back therebucks from developers, which will prove expensive as well.

      • #78 by Analogrival on 2012.01.25 - 5:50 pm

        S’why it was only a theory 🙂

    • #79 by Andrew Almeida on 2012.01.20 - 6:43 pm

      I think MW posted a response on one of the 1st blog pages I’ve read during these months that a significant amount of There’s income was from real estate in world. I paraphrased a little. So with that said, I’m going to assume that may count paz’s too but not sure. If hood’s can bring in 30k a month just by itself then yeah that would be a logical way to go especially since that’s almost the current monthly costs of operating.

      • #80 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.21 - 6:24 pm

        Well, it would be logical, if they don’t cost $28,000 a month to maintain while bringing in $30,000. I presume there was more margin on ‘hoods than this, else they wouldn’t be on the table to be restored at this point, concurrent with the developer program; as I recall, I wasn’t the only one to think they were a bad idea originally, but they were brought in anyway (with the very predictable result that “droppable” ‘hoods very quickly took over places that had been nice for cross country buggy driving — remember the one on the edge of Tabu that was a no-drive?). Neighborhoods that are their own island, or that exist on islands created just for neighborhoods, are another deal, but I dislike putting neighborhoods on land that had been open to the public (assuming that, as in the past, the owner of each individual lot, as well as of the ‘hood /in toto/ controls privileges ranging from “nothing changes” to “private”).

        Please note, my objection isn’t to neighborhoods as such — it’s to their disruption of previously existing land use.

  41. #81 by NathanAvis on 2012.01.18 - 3:00 am

    Full steam ahead 😀 !

    And places like Zona being barren, definitely not a taster you want to share with the newbies. Without the seats, the BABS tower etc. it makes Zona a very difficult place for new members to size up the other members or have a place to gather their thoughts before they jump into the big wide world.

    From the sounds of it, hoods are coming along rather well so hopefully the gap between hoods coming out and new members coming in (if it were done in this order) in theory would be quite a small one right? 🙂

    Anyways, progress is good!

    • #82 by NathanAvis on 2012.01.18 - 11:15 am

      On a side note about auctions – there’s been a lot of squabbling over it and you’re right some of the prices are a bit…well…it would scare newbs.
      How about giving people an opportunity to have a clean slate with auctions? Unlist everything and give them the listing fee money back (100t) on each item?

      • #83 by ImageMaker on 2012.01.29 - 7:42 am

        Why would There want to refund listing fees? Many of the grossly overpriced auction items are more on the order of “general purpose ads” than actual listings for sale (though I don’t doubt that those sellers would happily accept the, say, million T-bucks in expectation of being able to buy the same item again once the Developer program is back in operation). And there aren’t any newbies in world at present; all of the currently existing auction items will likely have expired before there are any (since Developer program is being restored concurrently with allowing new members), so little chance of scaring noobs with extreme prices (and if noobs don’t know to shop around, they’ll educate themselves in short order, once there are a few around to educate).

      • #84 by NathanAvis on 2012.02.01 - 10:09 am

        I miss the noobs. lol

  42. #85 by maverickfred on 2012.01.18 - 2:07 am

    g/day from australia great news mw keep up the great work gang .

  43. #86 by Basya on 2012.01.18 - 1:31 am

    Fantastic!!!

  44. #87 by SNIPERBAIT tired on 2012.01.17 - 11:23 pm

    Great news. Really nice pic if i might say. Never seen a train like that before. Loved yall’s setups ANT and Francis! Anyway to open up Egypt to paintball, and soem other things, but no pazs? Have a great one, later

  45. #88 by dakotaman on 2012.01.17 - 10:23 pm

    Excellent news!! Perhaps dark matter would be useful to Samsyn in the Avoid/Submission toss??

    Just a suggestion 🙂

    dakotaman

  46. #89 by Dean on 2012.01.17 - 8:43 pm

    I`d love to see PaintBalling at paz again it was a great place to paintball and theres NOT abunch of pazes all over, So plz Mw bring back paintballing to paz.

    • #90 by xSnoopy on 2012.01.19 - 3:44 am

      A Paz is a thing you Drop, in an area like Zephyr, and place animated, flashy, lag people out, objects, designed to annoy anyone you have issues with. Sometimes it is refereed to as griefing and is usually done by an individual didn’t get his way and is his childish attempt at “getting even”.
      Paiz, on the other hand, is a piece of land, surrounded on three sides by water that people used to go to, to socialize and Paintball.
      I hope this clears up any confusion, for those of you who couldn’t understand what dean was talking about.

  47. #91 by Francis_7 on 2012.01.17 - 7:53 pm

    “…restoring them in the order they sent in their emails requesting their hoods be restored.”

    Oh rats. I must have missed reading about that before. I will send in a note right now. Cool news and thank you for taking the time to write this update. Sounds like things are coming right along, and in the proper order, whatever that is! ; )

  48. #92 by Cef on 2012.01.17 - 7:53 pm

    Reminds me of ‘the little engine that could’…..i think i can, i think i can 🙂

    Thanks team for the hard work and dedication

  49. #93 by Ant1977 on 2012.01.17 - 7:52 pm

    So close to seeing ArrowWood again! Thank you Team Phoenix!!!!!!!!!! and Mr. Michael Wilson too!

  50. #94 by Babs There on 2012.01.17 - 7:40 pm

    Sounds great! ‘tu

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