Dam(n), or Features for Imbeciles

Over the next few days, we’re going to release a couple of new “Features”:

  • “Ignore” puts ignoree in “Newbie” Clothing. So, if someone if wearing clothing which you don’t like looking at, or otherwise offends you, when you “Ignore” them, they’ll be put in attractive “Newbie Clothing”. We’re not sure at this point that when you “Un-Ignore” them if they’ll return immediately to their old clothing, or we’ll wait for them to change clothes or switch sectors (re-dressing people has turned out to be more trouble than
    we imagined, and the “leave-them-in-their-newbie-clothes-until-they-change” seems like a nice way to hear what they’re saying without looking at their clothing choices).
  • When you “Ignore” someone you will no longer see their submissions in the “Developer Items to Review” queue.

Now, I call these “Features for Imbeciles” because we were forced to spend time on them now because a few people can’t tell the difference between “Free Speech”, and “Putting Offensive Words on my clothing because I can”. We’re not at all sure what you think you were proving with this behavior, but you have accomplished something:

  • We took valuable development time from other things to develop these features.
  • Once you offend someone, and they ignore you, they’ll never see your name, or your clothing. So it doesn’t matter if the Angel of Mother Theresa comes down and dresses your Avatar in clothing supported by President Obama, John McCain, Vice President Biden, Michelle Bachman, and Sarah Palin, people who have wisely ignored you will never see you. Ever.
  • If you submit items, the number of people available to review them will shrink to the point where your items take forever to get reviewed, if ever. It doesn’t matter it the Angel of Mother Theresa comes down and uses your hands to make the shirt which will heal the sick, feed the poor, and bring Good Will to all men, no one will ever see it. Except for you. And your 2 remaining friends who like those sorts of things.

Note, you haven’t proven “Free Speech”. We all know you have the right of Free Speech (even though There is a private company, and we’re actually not required to allow Free Speech, or any kind of Speech), and putting words on things that you know offend people don’t advance any cause, anywhere. Well, except to prove you’re an imbecile.

All of that aside, we’re going to try these “Tools for Imbeciles” and see if that makes things a little more civil. If that doesn’t work, we may have to resort to what I call (in homage’, of course) “The George Carlin Rule”.

That is all. We will hopefully soon get back to useful things, like the Free Trial Program and Compensating Developers for their work.

P.S. Speaking of Needing Supervision

  1. #1 by softNdark on 2012.11.17 - 12:51 pm

    Very well thought out decision. And Thanks, for the ‘bubbles’ Guy’s : *

  2. #2 by Wikked Bliss on 2012.11.16 - 2:03 pm

    * sigh* It’s too bad that even has to be done 😦

  3. #3 by MrScrooge on 2012.11.16 - 12:15 pm

    I not only think this is a good idea, I think it’s a smart idea. Though I have to admit that I think it would be cool if when you ignored someone they turned into a dog. Tell Samsyn he is free to experiment with this idea on my avatar if he wants but I’m sure you folks have better things to do. Can’t wait to see what’s on the table next! ❤

  4. #4 by MademoiselleFifi on 2012.11.16 - 6:58 am

    Michael, i play Glitch.com and they will be closing on Dec.9. Many are now thinking of where to go. I have already mentioned There to my friends, some are asking about free trial. I say no, but 10.00 is not much of a loss. Some will still want free trials. I will be posting in their forums….about There, but i would like to know if there will be free trials and when that will happen, so i can tell them something about that, as i would love those people to come to There and try it. They are now desperately trying to find another place to go to and be together, just like we did when There closed.

    Many fine people in Glitch….would be nice if they could come to There. So please let me know about the free trial thing.

  5. #5 by Deb Novirtualhome on 2012.11.16 - 5:58 am

    You no longer deserve my money.

  6. #6 by soede on 2012.11.15 - 10:28 pm

    I like the noob clothing setting. I will be unable to use it if it blocks items from review though. Language isnt all I’m checking for. I have concerns that this would be an effective method for getting away with making submissions that are not only offensive, but violate the terms of service in other ways.
    Step 1: Put on offensive clothing
    Step 2: Locate and piss off the people who are taking the review system seriously
    Step 3: Make sure you get on ignore
    Step 4: Submit high octane crap with little no fear of it being seen by people who will actually check it

    If this feature blocked us from seeing their items in auctions instead of review or ever seeing the item in general once it’s through review, I would find that far more effective.

  7. #7 by SunnyMusic on 2012.11.15 - 2:44 pm

    Works for me. And that Needing Supervision link was hysterical!

  8. #8 by Kontumnam on 2012.11.15 - 2:17 pm

    Seems being an Adult comes in various shapes and sizes, you did`nt need to have this when it was PG, no matter what you say or do or create there will always be someone will take offence. if your a real adult, you simply just ignore it in your mind. now can you please concentrate on getting people in world , i`m on southeast Asia timeline,this is my 3rd month trying since the re-open, it seems to be declining rapidly there.com is a dead world at this time. i`m hoping for a brighter future, but people need to grow up quick.

    • #9 by Michael Wilson on 2012.11.15 - 2:47 pm

      What do you base your statements on? CCU? # of events? Revenue?

      • #10 by Kontumnam on 2012.11.15 - 4:26 pm

        Based on being in world and number of people in world on Southeast Asia timeline, CCU?, # of events, plenty but no one at them including the hosts. Revenue i don`t earn from there.com so doesn’t effect my in world experience. the three months varied over the reopen i have seen less and less people on my timeline. on USA or European timeline may show a different story. but shows it limitations for a global social world. only you (MW) know what you want for the future with there.com , maybe the die-hard subscribers you have is suffice. this is my opinion as a user of there.com.

  9. #11 by John Prestim on 2012.11.15 - 2:08 pm

    I was banned for language before there.com closed .It seemed to me people back then took advantage ,to the slightest curse words they saw would report someone they didn’t like and hope for a ban . I was banned i never ever went around

    cursing people out for the reason of getting banned. I only used such words in the occasional conversations. I think this is a good idea making it 18+ . I’m hoping to get back into the game soon I would love to be unbanned and wouldn’t mind paying

    the subscription fee . I would like to know when or if you are considering ban repeals please let me know . Had a lot of time and money in my old avie and would love to come back in game.

  10. #12 by PcMan Hoverboat Pilot on 2012.11.15 - 2:04 pm

    Just curious, but how will these features work with props that may be offensive? Will those props be turned into something tolerable like a flaming banana drink? Thanks!

  11. #13 by Drain_Bramaged on 2012.11.15 - 1:27 pm

    I, for one, think this is one of the best ideas yet. I haven’t liked the whole “peer review system” since it’s inception, and at least half the reason of that dislike has shown itself recently. This is a great step in balancing a system that gives “adults” free reign, both positive and negative. Those who wish to push the envelope are entitled, as any adult would be, but not without consequences if the line is crossed. In this case, that line is drawn in many places, by many different people and/or factions…one being There.com, the others being every other member subject to that push.

    As I posted earlier, my ignore list has grown exponentially recently. I am dam near ecstatic that I will soon have a counter for the wave of crap coming from the submission pages.

    My sincerest thanks!


  12. #14 by Valhala on 2012.11.15 - 1:21 pm

    Oh, and don’t forget iThere (otherwise know as the Mac client) when you get back to *real* development work! 🙂

  13. #15 by Deb Sassybeme on 2012.11.15 - 12:08 pm

    I have no clue any more why your doing what your doing. Why on earth would you just not allow profanity on developer items? Why would you add so much more work on yourselves to avoid looking at what YOU have approved of? What your doing is punishing folks for doing what you said was okay to do. Your punishing those who have not gone against any rules to the system, but can now not be any part of it because they follow what you say should be done. Why would you ever add the ignore feature to the review system?

    What this move says to me is that you only want a few select people using your product from now on. Well then you should have limited sign ups by invite only. I wish you just had. Then I wouldn’t have wasted my time or faith on this system even after your closure.

    • #16 by Michael Wilson on 2012.11.15 - 12:59 pm

      I’m sorry if this is confusing.

      The problem has been that some people’s idea of how “adult language” should be used is very different from many other people’s (just like in real life).

      If we start banning language, we get into this whole issue of “Well, is Fcuk bad language”?. What about bad words in Chinese? Spanish?

      Rather than go down that road, we’re instead giving people more control over what they see – either in world, or when reviewing items.

      But, just like real life, if you insist on wearing or making things which many people find objectionable, you’ll find the list of people who want to hang around with you shrinking. People will look right through you like you don’t exist.

      And, if you happened to be a store which sold things that offended people, your clientele would shrink. Of course, you could find a limited clientele, which would (in There’s case) review and approve your items, but it would be smaller than the general population.

      So, you can put anything you want on clothes. Just be aware we’ve made it possible for people to have a choice as to whether or not they see them.

      • #17 by Deb Nomore on 2012.11.15 - 1:25 pm

        No, what you’ve done is extend this past bad language on items. I had complained from the beginning how this would end up limiting who designs in there.com. It is no different about who claims what is ugly or not. People have said they would do this at reopen, and so it shall be. Now with your help. As to why you should have just limited your membership. Instead of inviting those grownups who have always pushed the limits of the guidelines.

    • #18 by Kontumnam on 2012.11.16 - 12:56 am

      or Android, already have SecondLife for Android, (primative but getting better).

  14. #19 by Escape on 2012.11.15 - 9:24 am

    Needing Supervision? geez, way to much time on ppl’s hands!

    • #20 by Francis_7 on 2012.11.15 - 1:29 pm

      I am saddened that development time was wasted on such a system when it could have been put to better use deveoping new systems for the world. I understand that changing the submission system for this new There is an ongoing process and new teritory. I doubt I will be ignoring anyone for what they are wearing. Still, perhaps this feature may someday prove handy.

      • #21 by Michael Wilson on 2012.11.15 - 3:28 pm

        We’re sad too. But it’s all about more tools, not rules.

        Now we don’t have to get into discussions about “What’s bad language”, or, worse yet, “What’s bad language in (insert foreign language here)?”. It would be easy for us to say “Ok, these words are banned.”, but that would just mean we’d get sucked into some other controversy about some other words or language later on.

        This way, it’s up to you to decide what you want to see, and when, and There stays out of it.

      • #22 by fulkenstien on 2012.11.16 - 5:37 pm

        We’re sad too. But it’s all about more tools, not rules.

        better late than never.i have always been an advocate for more tools.maybe even someday you can make a sliding ignore by degree tool.each degree of the slide going from 1=cant read text to 10=cant see avie. maybe make 11=auto shoot avie with pb’s when near.

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